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[Victor Morson]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 02 September 2013 - 06:57 AM, said:

One thing I've never understood, how do some founders have such low post counts? It basically means you joined the game, played and managed to give 0 input to PGI.

It would be one thing if PGI was doing poll's and such on the start of the game but they aren't.

It's sad that you'd spend money to help create MW:O then not do anything to help it become a better game.

Yeah, like it did those of us with high post counts much good either. We've seen people with as low as 1 that have been founders coming on to express their concerns with the way the game is going.

We shouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to come sail the brown sea until necessary. The important thing is they are here now.

[ZonbiBadger]

I like this game.

[Chronojam]

I like the game they sold me on more than a year ago. I like the game I was showing to friends around Thanksgiving. This game we have right now is just disappointing.

[Vervuel]

Quick questions....in the article the author/blogger dude mentioned "[color=#333333]Kaetaetoa", meaning what exactly?[/color]

[color="#333333"]I think PGI would have been better off NOT NOT NOT implementing MC, pay services, etc; real world money needs to stay in real world. I understand they need operating capital, but kickstarter, venture capitalists, legions of BT fans are all better options than the path that lead to this state. Tell me the groaning and bitching would be the same if everyone had not spent hard earned dollars on this game? I spent 30 for MC's, 10 for sarah's jenner, and do not regret those purchases. 40$ seems about right. I will not spend more, unless something P2W comes along, and even then, I may just walk away from the game. This is a moderate view, which I hope is shared by a majority of players.[/color]

[color="#333333"]I only started playing 1 month ago, I actually hadnt heard of this game until then.....been living under a rock in New Zealand (and hopefully will be climbing and exploring this place soon). I havent played more than about 100 hrs, but I will say this: ECM is okay at the moment, needs work but I'll take it. Lights are annoying, but I get it, most people shoot at them with lasers and missles, complain they dont die, but forget a small moving fast target will avoid some missiles, and the TOT of lasers reduces damage done to lights. My biggest gripe: TEAMS THAT DONT COMMUNICATE. having 4 out of 12 on TS is better than none, but still leads to approx 67% of my matches going to ****. Thats not the devs' fault, TS/Vent/C3, hell even typing. But a whole match with no commo? We all mock BF3/COD, but at least communication occurs in the matches![/color]

[Kyrie]

KovarD, on 30 August 2013 - 09:47 PM, said:

I would love to know how Russ is feeling right now with all bad press that is happening. Probably like that.

Sad thing is we tried to help, we warned them, but like Bryan said, we are the "vocal minority".

The video is awesome, I laughed so hard. :-)

[Alois Hammer]

Vervuel, on 03 September 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

Quick questions....in the article the author/blogger dude mentioned "[color=#333333]Kaetaetoa", meaning what exactly?[/color]

Kaetaetoa, aka K-Town, was a forum area buried deep under the "Off-Topic" area heading. It was used mainly as a place to dump threads the mods didn't want to deal with, but that weren't issue enough to delete entirely like the big 5000+ vote "No 3PV" poll.

...and it seems, like so many things that could put more egg on PGI's face than they put there themselves, to have vanished entirely. Inconceivable.

[AC]

Victor Morson, on 02 September 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

Yeah, like it did those of us with high post counts much good either. We've seen people with as low as 1 that have been founders coming on to express their concerns with the way the game is going.

We shouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to come sail the brown sea until necessary. The important thing is they are here now.

The frustrating part is that we all TOLD them how to fix the game I don't always agree with the suggestions, but they are light years ahead of what PGI is actually implementing. (I would prefer slot limitations over convergence limitations, but would love to have either of them over ghost heat and gauss delay) The keys to fixing this game is on their own da*m Forums! All they need to do is read!

[pantherzero]

wonder if this thread will disappear before launch

[Cybermech]

the article is full of it, lies all way through it.
if you are reading that and are thinking "what a nice read".
then you should start getting your info elsewhere.

all these stupid articles that got pumped out at the same time are really misleading.
I would love if PGI went all n.azi and started banning forum trolls, anti PGI sigs and "saveMWO".
Cause if anything shows that having an open community where is the trolling threads has a place can be quite devastating.
These articles are a great example of this, all the forum rumors into one place to read.
Congrats on building a bigger gap between PGI and community.
Thank you so much for ruining my game for the last year.
Its great how much you will comment on ever problem except the biggest one.
Crying on these forums has caused more damage to this game then even "saveMWO".
YAY to you guys for accomplishing nothing....

[RedDragon]

Cybermech, on 04 September 2013 - 02:32 AM, said:

the article is full of it, lies all way through it.

Umm... could you name a few? We were all here, we all witnessed it. We don't need the article to tell us anything. But it's a good way for people not on the forums to know what's going on here.

[Cybermech]

To those reading the Mechwarrior Online forums now, as opposed to six months ago, the change is marked.

first lie, not even gone down any further but I'l collect a few.
people have been raging on these forums for a long time.
the biggest one is modules.
six months is a lie.

Gone are the days of typical forum behavior: quiet threads toiling in the background with the occasional drive-by trolling or derailment

those days are long gone because back in the day the amount of crying on the forums forced nearly EVERYONE to look else where.

slandering the developers in announcement threads and creating signatures insulting Piranha Games’s competence


that is also back in closed beta, when this presumed writer claims 6 months ago everything was fine.

The phrase “PGI Lied, MWO Died” has taken on a weird sort of life amidst the disgruntled players

this is also a closed beta statement too.

The road that led to MWO’s fanbase banging on PGI’s gates with pitchforks and torches was a long one, and the situation acts as an interesting case study in how to gradually alienate your players. Or, at least, the players on your forums

this happened a long time ago when nearly everyone was sick of the crying, PGI - community.. EVERYONE.

It all began with the inclusion of a consumable in MWO known as “Cool Shot.”

it all began with Lrm's not worth it even though they would still hit the target over every building and also continue to hit 8 seconds after.

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the whole comparison about coolshot, it was consumables being better with MC purchase.

Cool Shot is a variant of a feature known as “Coolant Flush” from previous Mechwarrior games. That feature allowed players to “flush” their built-up heat from their fighting ‘Mech tanks. Heat is a resource that rises every time the player fires a weapon, and its levels must be lowered in order for a player to continue firing their weapons — too much heat, and the ‘Mech is forced to shut down. By drastically reducing ‘Mech heat almost instantly with Coolant Flush, players could continue to fire their weapons without risk of overheating and shutting down, which normally would expose them to enemy fire.
The ability to flush heat essentially allowed for continuous, heavily-damaging fire in multiplayer, and drastically changed the way players fight and strategize in-game; essentially, instead of managing heat by carefully deciding which shots to take and when, Coolant Flush removed that skill component. Dedicated Mechwarrior fans point to the inclusion of the feature — along with the addition of a third-person camera perspective — as one of the reasons previous Mechwarrior titles have had mostly dead multiplayer components.

coolshot sucked, I'm not defending it however there is massive amounts of lying here.
why has he not mentioned its 1 shot?

Edited by Cybermech, 04 September 2013 - 02:57 AM.

[RedDragon]

Cybermech, on 04 September 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

Stuff

Lol... so the only point you have against the article is that the outrage began sooner than stated? And not even that is true, sure, it was a gradual process (as the author states himself "This wasn’t spontaneous, however"), but it culminated in the 3PV-debacle that led to open hostility on the boards.

[Cybermech]

This sent the forums into a much milder version of the rage seen today, with plenty of people decrying PGI’s behavior but few people acting on it.

What a load of bull.
For the first time there was no crying on the forums.
Real constructive poll and posts went up.
I remember it was a sunday, I had a toothache and good not sleep, I got a message wondering what was going on, it was the first I heard about it. My reply was "please complain about this but tell everyone not to rage". It did not take long to get changed and if I remember correctly it wasn't even in game.

Edited by Cybermech, 04 September 2013 - 03:16 AM.

[Cybermech]

The next big outrage occurred with the dissolution of Mechwarrior Online’s “General Discussion” subforum. General Discussion pages are usually the main sections of forums — in fact, they’re a staple of Internet forums everywhere. PGI claimed that the subforum was removed — and many new subforums created in its place — in order to better categorize threads into more appropriate locations. Meanwhile, critics claimed that General Discussion was nuked from orbit due to a tendency of its inhabitants to openly criticize PGI.

Another classic manipulation, the discussions was broken up but how clueless would you have to be to think it was against those the criticize PGI.
PGI have clearly no problems with people criticizing them.

While these forum changes were mostly benign, a metagame began to emerge in MWO that focused on high-damage alphas — basically, attacks that saw all weapons fired at once. These barrages of weapons fire would often core enemy ‘Mechs in a single shot, and the use of the strategy led to the rise of “poptarts.” Players would pair highly accurate Particle Projection Cannons (more commonly known as PPCs) and Gauss Rifles with a ‘Mech sporting a “jumpjet,” or extremely limited jetpack. In lay terms, players utilizing the strategy were essentially acting as jetpacking snipers.

Failing to mention that EVERYONE in the community was SCREAMING FOR IT.
As someone who hated the PPC fest and the changes that were implemented it was a very LONELY road.

RedDragon, on 04 September 2013 - 03:02 AM, said:

Lol... so the only point you have against the article is that the outrage began sooner than stated? And not even that is true, sure, it was a gradual process (as the author states himself "This wasn’t spontaneous, however"), but it culminated in the 3PV-debacle that led to open hostility on the boards.

I just took out the first page and started from the start. that is all of page one.
you requested, so I did it with ease.
thank you for helping proof the falseness of these articles.

[StoneMason]

When people talk about the "Vocal Minority" what they are really referring to is a large group of international Mechwarrior players who are likely to have been involved in fan-run competitive leagues at some point in the last fifteen years. These are people who continued to play a very flawed title, Mechwarrior 4, for over ten years waiting for MWO. They have seen every mistake made by PGI at least once before and they understand better than anyone how it will impact competitive play in the long term.

These are mature people who, on the whole, are either polite with their complaints or just leave quietly. They are middle aged, cashed up and probably running most of the in-game regiments/units you see on the forums. The developers have squandered one of the most cohesive and enthusiastic fan communities in PC gaming through poor communication and an indifferent attitude.

I was a member of one of those leagues, Net Battletech, only for about a year during high school. I met people from all over the world and have NEVER found an online community that was as passionate, friendly and mature.

[Alois Hammer]

RedDragon, on 04 September 2013 - 03:02 AM, said:

Lol... so the only point you have against the article is that the outrage began sooner than stated? And not even that is true, sure, it was a gradual process (as the author states himself "This wasn’t spontaneous, however"), but it culminated in the 3PV-debacle that led to open hostility on the boards.

Maybe his forum title is "Tool" for a reason?

[C E Dwyer]

Protection, on 30 August 2013 - 02:45 PM, said:

Wonder how long the "In the news" subforum will last once the 5.5/10 reviews start pouring in.

surely there's no need to censor the, "In the news2 sub formun as we're the local minority, and are not the target demograph

[C E Dwyer]

ove bababoke, on 31 August 2013 - 01:33 AM, said:

MWO should die to let another developers create it. These liers - I mean you, fishes - don`t deserve it. Even more! They totally ****** up this project. What are you gonna do now Bryan, Russ? Do you think that someone want to play your game after reading such an article? We told you, we ask you, but you don`t care. I really hope your company will bankrupt and you will never start develope any game.
Now you can ban me, cause I absolutely don`t care. You`ve broken my dreams, so there`s no way to be a "good boy" with you.

I wouldn't wish the demise of this game no matter how badly PGI have hashed things up, sit back use the brain we're given, and say after the verbal attacks the bad press, do you really think any other developer is going to touch Mechwarrior francise, pump thousands of dollas/pounds/ecu, yen into a game with what the industry must be thinking is a fanatical and rabid fan base..

I wouldn't, and I've been playing mech warrior in one form or another, for over 30 years.

This seriously is what we're getting or well you can play Mechwarrior the Gathering on your browser if you wish, but after investing in that it took me less than 40 hours play to realise it had fail written all over it.


One thing I have leaned from this is never EVER put money into a virtual game until its 'live' I will never as a customer do that again, if I want to throw away money I'll invest, in stocks of a software company, and at least have the power to vote people out at general meetings

[Cybermech]

Alois Hammer, on 04 September 2013 - 05:04 AM, said:

Maybe his forum title is "Tool" for a reason?

If you notice I'm the only tool on the forums, think about it.
Still though my point was and still is valid.
As reddragon just presumed I have no idea what I'm talking about.
So I started from the first line and worked my way through the first page pointing out the lies and manipulation.
Its copy and pasted rants from the forums that were proven wrong over and over again.
This is where the "good" people of the community have lost there ways.
They started listening to the fail posters and taking it as facts.
These articles are poof of this.

Edited by Cybermech, 04 September 2013 - 05:52 AM.

[Corvus Antaka]

All of you claiming 3PV, 12v12, etc etc all the balony in the slashdot and gamfront articles, and yet...you are still here...playing the game, or trolling these forums.

With this latest patch PGI has once again shown they listen, and the pop-tart PPC gauss meta all you crybabies moaned about for months after screaming that "Ghost heat" did nothing because PPC/Gauss still exists.

We still need collisions, jumpjets and DFA. We all want CW and Solaris. But, given PGI's history I expect to see these things. Not as fast as hoped, but for myself, I see progress, like in any real world business. Anyone else who works a 40 hour job knows it ain't easy. God only knows how PGI keeps trucking [REDACTED]. 3PV did nothing to the game.

My personal opinion - Anyone backing these [REDACTED] is a traitor to mechwarrior and the battletech franchise, and is unable to see past their wants and desires to the bigger picture.

If PGI was really concerned about these lame-o articles, they'd be censoring all of these threads.

Edited by Helmer, 04 September 2013 - 11:16 AM.
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