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[Sybreed]

GranoblasticMan, on 05 September 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Thanks, I'm giving Star Citizen a look now.

I'm done supporting PGI.

Just a heads up:

There has been a few complaints about the in-game shop that was installed with the new Hangar Module, people saying it shouldn't be in-game and is against what the game is about... Well, Chris Roberts answered those concerns 2 DAYS after they were voiced and the forums didn't have to implode into a full war against the dev team... PGI should really take advice from those guys.

Edited by Sybreed, 06 September 2013 - 04:09 PM.

[MustrumRidcully]

Chronojam, on 05 September 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

This would be true if not for many interviews, posts, and videos stating the direction the game is being taken in. The whole point of the alpha releases are to show us, at the earliest possible point, what the direction is. Contrast this to MWO's system of "find out when the patch notes hit the day of a release" and "cryptic one-liners in locked threads, speculate amongst yourselves in another thread."

Read the dev blogs for M:WO

That's the direction PGi was gonna take us...

Seems they went off route at some point during the Beta.


So... Maybe Star Citizen will be different. I certainly hope so*. But don't be too sure. My best hope here is that the people responsible for Star Citizen have more on their track record than Duke Nukem Multiplayer and working on the possibly least regarded Need for Speed title.


*) Though if I could do anything about things, I don't want a Wing Commander/Privateer successor. I want a TIE Fighter succesor. Lucas Arts, why did you forsake us?

[John MatriX82]

Given how PGI is going on, I was looking forward star citizen.

But PGI blew up "funding" options for other developers as well.. read: they screwed with me, so I regret to have funded them, therefore I won't fund others even if they look different like SC.
This because sooner or later they'll do or will have to do something that will unplease someone, and that someone might be me.

[Cybermech]

Jestun you still couldn't answer this

For the rest, you guys do not understand that PGI was upfront with everything, had updates and things like that.
But then people just would cry and cry, it was the start of the developers ignoring the public.
Even the public started ignoring it self.
Hence why I remind people that one of the biggest sayings in this community is "you still look at the forums?".

Edited by Cybermech, 06 September 2013 - 09:33 AM.

[Chronojam]

John MatriX82, on 06 September 2013 - 12:56 AM, said:

Given how PGI is going on, I was looking forward star citizen.

But PGI blew up "funding" options for other developers as well.. read: they screwed with me, so I regret to have funded them, therefore I won't fund others even if they look different like SC.
This because sooner or later they'll do or will have to do something that will unplease someone, and that someone might be me.

What if this was all a plot to discredit crowdfunding?

[John MatriX82]

Chronojam, on 06 September 2013 - 10:00 AM, said:

What if this was all a plot to discredit crowdfunding?

Nah, of course it isn't. It's the only game I crowdfunded so far, and I'm regretting this, so I'll be much more careful towards future projects.

[Jestun]

Cybermech, on 06 September 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

Jestun you still couldn't answer this

Jestun, on 05 September 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

I'm honestly worried about [your] mental state and don't want to be responsible for leading [you] further into [your] delusions.

I mean, who wants that on their conscience?

[Cybermech]

lolz, eh epic fail again.


Jestun: "Proof? Evidence? Source?

Her's the general discussion forum 6 months ago: http://mwomercs.com/..._all__st__16110

If you still feel this is the same atmosphere as we currently have then perhaps you can actually provide something to back that claim up? Because I see nowhere near the volume of dissatisfaction, nor the same amount of hostility. That's not to say everyone was a white knight who agreed with everything PGI did, but it was completely different to the current atmosphere."

ME: "This is where my point about raven3l, ecm and all that come into play.
You see something massively different, I don't because I know more about this then you.
Nothing new if you include, raging on the forums, people ripping into PGI, people leaving, people saying there going to leave, people asking for refunds, people demanding things."

Now I understand why you can't continue on and its ok.
You don't know what your talking about, your coping and pasting other people's ideas.

Which brings me to my main point.
If lack of communication is a problem (which it is) then solving the issues around it has to be done.
Since crying on the forums is one of the major problems with this that started back in CB.
Then some sort of "reality" has to be reinserted in order for the community to move forward.

Since your sig, this article, "saveMWO" is supporting lies and carrying on false facts from the past.
There really only needs to be one solution.

You guys have been ruining my time and others with everyday spent spoon feeding the helpless.
This mean that even when common sense is displayed in front of you, you cannot see it and refuse too.
Making up things during the conversation, trying to change to direction of it and when all else failed you went for the "mental health" direction.
What you have proven to me is that PGI/IGP are too lenient to people on this forums and this must come to an end.
Not talking about the trolls but people like you who are using misinformation to push there agenda.
Its been a year and all I can see is how destructive this process has been and solutions are needed.

[Chronojam]

Cybermech you're drunk go home.

[Cybermech]

no im not drunk and it still stands

Chronojam, on 06 September 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

Cybermech you're drunk go home.

this is what I'm talking about valid points shot down by failed attempts of one liners

Edited by Cybermech, 06 September 2013 - 02:10 PM.

[RG Notch]

Chronojam, on 06 September 2013 - 01:53 PM, said:

Cybermech you're drunk go home.

The scary part is I'm starting to think he really believes what he's posting. I don't ignore many people and I don't ignore people that I don't agree with, I do however ignore those who don't make any sense and post nothing of worth, especially those who use odd formatting to get attention. I think I may be adding to my list.

[Chronojam]

I thought it was pretty funny, it's hardly my fault if you didn't catch the joke. I'm beginning to wonder if English is not your native tongue and there's some sort of language barrier at work here.

[Cybermech]

odd formatting?

you mean pointing things out that this article is full of lies and some people have no problem in defending it.

Your joke was not a joke, it was to overlap the comment before it.
Now the "not making sense" is thrown into the mix is continuing to prove my point.

If lack of communication is the problem then fixing it would need for all routes of the issue to be fixed.
One of the major problems has been the over use of misinformation to back up opinions and this article points it out.

Others have to look elsewhere for info because the forums for the last year have been in a bad state.
While PGI/IGP have been WAY too nice to these people, I blame the canadian blood.

[GalaxyBluestar]

what is it CM going on about? something about an article lying about complaints regarding raven 3l's and ecm?

currently happening...

GalaxyBluestar, on 06 September 2013 - 04:54 PM, said:

everyone loves ecm it's the piece of equipment nobody has ever had any trouble with and it shall continue as it is forever attracting more players for another year yet.

GalaxyBluestar, on 25 August 2013 - 12:00 AM, said:

i seriously thought this was a necroed thread...

14 March 2013 - 06:04 AM
Played 5 Games Tonight, Team With More Ecm Always Won.

28 February 2013 - 04:31 AM
MWO: Forums - Pugs = Team With The Most Ecm Wins

Dec 22 2012 05:57 PM
Ecm - Game Ruining Experience, Must Rebalance - MechWarrior ...

Dec 05 2012 06:49 AM
MWO: Forums - Ecm Overkill - MechWarrior Online

Dec 04 2012 08:47 PM from honeymoon to spamtastic rofl ecm ambushes
MWO: Forums - Ecm Feedback

I repeat there has never been any trouble with ecm turning many people off this game.

forever and a day players new and old have hated on this piece of equipment for it's overpowered swaying of battlefield intelegence gathering and arms race incentive {counter ecm with more ecm, even the devs thought this by adding eccm to bap!}



and here's a list of raven hatred so infamous as a meta that it got it's own name!

Tolkien's (C)Raven 3L Guide - The Best Mech Hands Down?

MWO: Forums - Looking For A Light Mech - MechWarrior Online

MWO: Forums - Question About Ecm - Page 2

MWO: Forums - Good Starting Mech?







for sure these problems have been solved by many other inbalancing bandaid methods rather than attack the source {lagshields and streaks CT flightpaths} but ecm is still stupid op as the devs ignored a lot of the playerbase for so long and it will happen over and over. so hatred of igp/pgi for situations mentioned in the article justified? YES.

[Cybermech]

No I have been pointing out that the article has got a lot of lies running through it.
While I started at the very start of the article with each line that was wrong going all through page 1 of it.
Others have stated that this article is exactly what people need to be reading to understand what is going on.
Which is where the lying is going on, either attentional or from misinformation.

I have requested that if someone agrees with the article to pick out a part that I found as false.
The line Jestun has ran with was one that I pointed out to be quite inaccurate.
Article itself was describing peaceful times about 6 months ago, which was around the time of consumables.
Jestun has tried to defend this and this is why I mention raven-3l, ecm, assault warrior online as proof that these thing are recurring things.

I agree with Galaxy, but if you go back even further right before repair and rearm.
That is when the split between community and PGI started.
During the LRM are Op/nerf being side by side.
The real problems are always being masked over by crying of things that are not even there.
Which furthers the gap between PGI and the forums.

With consumables and 3 pv is the part where truth is at in this article.
There is a lot of misinformation on that page. A lot of lying and confusion.

"PGI claimed that the subforum was removed — and many new subforums created in its place — in order to better categorize threads into more appropriate locations. Meanwhile, critics claimed that General Discussion was nuked from orbit due to a tendency of its inhabitants to openly criticize PGI"

Critics? you mean the people who have been crying on the forums since day one.
There has not been any move by PGI to nuke anyone complaining.
That is my point, there are so many valid complaints that the above quote from page 1 of the article is a prime example of the lies and misinformation that has been cooking on these forums for far too long.
While trying to cover its *** with the below quote there is no valid points to the above quote.

"Both sides have partial validity to them: General Discussion was being used as a “thread dump” and was hard to navigate, but its removal did see a sharp decline in threads openly critical of and negative about PGI".

[Faithsfall]

Cyber I have to question this comment about the splitting of the General discussion into all these subforums.

This was done to remove the ability for complaints to be centralised, general had become toxic i agree but mostly this was due to a serious lack of communication from PGI coupled with one problem after another.

As soon as General disscussion was removed the forum moderators went into over time deleting post after post in all the other subforums to again try and stem the dissapointment ppl were showing from another poor decision by PGI.

Now if you want to find the current player issues instead of going straight to general you have to find the specific subforum.

So yes the complaints are still there (as long as they havn't been deleted) but they are alot harder to find.

[Cybermech]

Just before that happened, if you created a new topic it would already be on the second page.
I can't remember the last time where I had to search a few pages before finding a topic.
You had to go back to page 6 or 7 most times and this was just insane.

Complaints never get deleted, if any shred of being valid at ALL.
I've seen PLENTY of rage threads not getting deleted at all.
No idea what any of you guys are talking about, do you?

If you mean they started deleting all the rage posts about the general discussion forums being changed then I'm lost on what the problem is.

In this thread I've seen my first banning (was someones alt account) ever.
These guys are far too nice if anything at all.

[Jestun]

Still a funny thread, each time he posts it gets better.

[Cybermech]

lolz you still can't follow your own thoughts, still not going to answer?

Edit: "Just before that happened, if you created a new topic it would already be on the second page.
I can't remember the last time where I had to search a few pages before finding a topic.
You had to go back to page 6 or 7 most times and this was just insane."

so the above is not true and its funny?

Edited by Cybermech, 07 September 2013 - 03:51 AM.

[Faithsfall]

Cybermech, on 07 September 2013 - 03:05 AM, said:

lolz you still can't follow your own thoughts, still not going to answer?

Edit: "Just before that happened, if you created a new topic it would already be on the second page.
I can't remember the last time where I had to search a few pages before finding a topic.
You had to go back to page 6 or 7 most times and this was just insane."

so the above is not true and its funny?

Seriously what are you smoking? General discussion had multiple posts but you could still follow the general idea of what was going on, now if you want to see the state of the game and any issues you have to go to several sub forums to try and find anything.

Complaints never get deleted jeez now you are in denial or frankly trolling as especially following the general break up into the subforums the moderators were deleting huge numbers of posts that seemed overly critical.

Now while i agree that some ppl have truly gone overly hostile and are a detriment to these forums, so are those that blindly spout mindless drivel that supports PGI without seeming to see glaring issues that have developed over time.