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[Mystere]

Thirdstar, on 17 September 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

.. delusions are forever.

Or are merely temporary if induced by LSD. Just ask Walter Bishop.

Edited by Mystere, 17 September 2013 - 01:08 PM.

[Name140704]

Mackman, on 17 September 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

But they're not just "venting frustration," and they aren't doing so in a way that will achieve positive results. They are doing so in order to deliberately harm the game and the company, in the forum most suited for doing so.

Being positive has not worked since February, 2013. Why do you think ~50% of the founders left? I see this be positive argument and I think back to March/April and how much good it did then.

Get that fog out of your eyes, it's not like they haven't been given plenty of chances. They keep dropping the ball or outright lying about things. WTF wake up.

[Victor Morson]

Elwood Blues, on 17 September 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

I don't think it is appropriate to rate a game based on developer communication. Rate the game based on how the games is at the time of the review. I think it is perfectly fair to criticize the game for features that are announced but not yet released. Don't criticize the game for forum communication. That's not the game itself.

There's a special reason for it this time.

PGI: Ghost Heat maaaaths
Us: Don't do that! We don't want that! There's so many holes in it, can we address those first?
PGI: Ghost Heat is a great success!
Us: Well make sure you stick to your promises about no 3rd person in a shared que, since you already changed your mind about it being in at all!
PGI: UI2.0 has just gotten to the phase we can make Photoshops of it! Woot! And big news! We're going to go back on everything we said before!
Us: But it's broken, look at these shots!
PGI: 3PV is a great success! Don't worry.. Community Warfare is "coming soon!" Just buy more Project Phoenix packs!

PGI released one REALLY GOOD patch last time, and I had hoped that the trend of "actually delivering what's being asked for" would continue. Alas, this patch didn't do anything terrible... but it is the single most lackluster patch in a while.

[AlexEss]

Metacritic is useless, it has about as much relevance as X-Fire numbers, but unfortunately some marketing people with less then stellar understanding of how internet critics work made it gospel and now we are stuck with it like one of thise small shards of popcorn kernel shells that get stuck in between the teeth.

But by all means, we will be hearing this for a few weeks now so just dive in and om-nom-nom around in it all you want.

[Shumabot]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 September 2013 - 01:07 PM, said:

Yes because comparing attitudes over entertainment properties and IRL scenarios that cost human life are clearly analagous.
*Golf Clap*

Ah to have such 1st World Problems. Dude you guys decry everything on here with such vehemency you would label Eeyore a White Knight.

just giving extreme examples to match your vitriol and hyperbole. I'd have thought you would have learned to deal with that by now steiner, you've been a mindless sycophant for at least a year while the house burned down around you. You must have learned SOMETHING in that interim.

If noting else, you can at least take away the fact that in all those arguments I was right, and you were wrong.

Edited by Shumabot, 17 September 2013 - 01:10 PM.

[arghmace]

Typically stupid user reviews mostly having either 0 or 10 points. Let's face it, people are idiots and shouldn't be allowed to rate anything. Both 0 and 10 are completely false, no matter how you look at it. Something like 4-8 would make sense.

[theta123]

Sybreed, on 17 September 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

not selfish at all. PGI asked us money for their founders program in exchange of a game that fit our vision of a MW game (through their design pillars). They changed that vision to something almost polar opposite of what we wanted, but they still keep our money. Are we really being selfish here? I paid for a refrigerator, but I got an oven instead. Can't blame me for saying the oven doesn't keep my food fresh.

Because "professional" reviews are so reliable aswel :/

[Gallowglas]

I can understand some of the reasons for some of the low reviews. Some of that is certainly warranted. However, if you're giving this game a score of 1 or 10, you're completely non-objective. I do agree with many critiques that have been thrown PGI's way, but the sheer amount of angst, massive hyperbole, and lack of decorum says as much about the mental health of the community as it does about the state of the game.

Edited by Gallowglas, 17 September 2013 - 01:12 PM.

[Shumabot]

Gallowglas, on 17 September 2013 - 01:11 PM, said:

I can understand some of the reasons for some of the low reviews. Some of that is certainly warranted. However, if you're giving this game a score of 1 or 10, you're completely non-objective. I do agree with many critiques that have been thrown PGI's way, but the sheer amount of angst, massive hyperbole, and lack of decorum says as much about the mental health of the community as it does about the state of the game.

I think the fact that people gave the bass fishing dudes 10 million dollars did that in 2011.

[Bishop Steiner]

NARCoMAN, on 17 September 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Being positive has not worked since February, 2013. Why do you think ~50% of the founders left? I see this be positive argument and I think back to March/April and how much good it did then.

Get that fog out of your eyes, it's not like they haven't been given plenty of chances. They keep dropping the ball or outright lying about things. WTF wake up.

and yet, here most of you still are, and yet, even with flaws many people are still having fun. Or are PGI added crack to our keyboards and we are just addicts who can't stop.

If you truly believe what you are saying, why are you still here? What's Einstein's definition of insanity again?

[Mystere]

arghmace, on 17 September 2013 - 01:10 PM, said:

Typically stupid user reviews mostly having either 0 or 10 points. Let's face it, people are idiots and shouldn't be allowed to rate anything. Both 0 and 10 are completely false, no matter how you look at it. Something like 4-8 would make sense.

Unfortunately, those very same people are also allowed to vote in elections, which accounts for the really screwed world we now have.

[Victor Morson]

NARCoMAN, on 17 September 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Get that fog out of your eyes, it's not like they haven't been given plenty of chances. They keep dropping the ball or outright lying about things. WTF wake up.

I can't blame people who gave up for voting badly, at all.

They were told that if they continued with Ghost Heat, people would leave in mass and flame them. They did not listen.
They were told that if they continued with 3PV, people would have an exile and burn scores to the ground. They did not listen.
They were told that if they didn't start actually editing the weapons XML instead of making elaborate Rube Goldberg mechanics to balance them. They listened for one patch; a patch that did more to combat rage than any patch in the last year.

Many people left before that 3rd patch, including many die hard fans.

In short, they were warned that this would be the result but they simply refuse to listen, and continue to outright taunt people on twitter. They are overconfident and have massive ego problems that prevent them from admitting when something doesn't work or has massive flaws, while they understand the game so little they can't get basic facts about mechanics right in any given interview.

All this could have been avoided if A) Garth did his job, They let Garth do his job (listened to him) or C) Both of the above. I do feel hesitant in blaming Garth too much of course, because I get the impression that literally no force on Earth could change the game play team's minds on things.

Also I think they are so greedy for that sweet, sweet WoT casual money market, they think they can ignore their core, without understanding the core is what keeps the game intact and that casuals have way more fun when there is a thriving competitive game too. So they keep balancing for 1st day newbies, which in the end, makes the game worse for them too.

Edited by Victor Morson, 17 September 2013 - 01:16 PM.

[Shumabot]

Mystere, on 17 September 2013 - 01:14 PM, said:

Unfortunately, those very same people are also allowed to vote in elections, which accounts for the really screwed world we now have.

Yeah, it's a shame that old white dudes with access to computers get to vote so much.

[Mackman]

NARCoMAN, on 17 September 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Being positive has not worked since February, 2013. Why do you think ~50% of the founders left? I see this be positive argument and I think back to March/April and how much good it did then.

Get that fog out of your eyes, it's not like they haven't been given plenty of chances. They keep dropping the ball or outright lying about things. WTF wake up.

You're not speaking to my point at all. I see the problems with this game: The difference is i'm not giving the game a 1 or 2 out of 10 in some stupid, vindictive attempt to kill the game.

[Bishop Steiner]

Shumabot, on 17 September 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

just giving extreme examples to match your vitriol and hyperbole. I'd have thought you would have learned to deal with that by now steiner, you've been a mindless sycophant for at least a year while the house burned down around you. You must have learned SOMETHING in that interim.

If noting else, you can at least take away the fact that in all those arguments I was right, and you were wrong (In my own mind, which is what really matters, right?).

Vitriol? Hmmm. Be funny to see the reactions if I took the filters off and really spoke my mind, lol.

[Ryvucz]

Like anyone with any sense about them actually pays attention to any kind of reviewer.

Try the game yourself, I say.

But of course, there's always that group that wants their hand held.

"What's the best cheese competitive build?"

[Lostdragon]

It now looks like metacritic is trending toward about a 5, which I honestly think is a fair score for the game as is.

[MustrumRidcully]

Rhaythe, on 17 September 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

This is hilarious. And no, not in the "PGI getting what it deserves" category. Not even close. In the "My god, there are some crybabies out there" hilarious.

True.

There are also some insane fanbois out there... 10/10 for MW:O without Community Warfare? What will it get with CW? 12/10?

[Shumabot]

Bishop Steiner, on 17 September 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

Vitriol? Hmmm. Be funny to see the reactions if I took the filters off and really spoke my mind, lol.

Ooooh, steiners got a tuff side. Hopefully it's a bit better managed than his calm side! I wonder steiner, if I bought the BT license for the 50 dollars its worth right now, would you love me too?

This post brought to you by schadenfreude!

[ZonbiBadger]

vrok, on 17 September 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

I came back after over a year just to post in this thread and rate MWO a 0 on metacritic. Had fun, would do again.

Oh, and how is that community warfare vaporware thingy coming along PGI? Oh, not at all? Well alright then.

That makes you an entitled brat.

Shumabot, on 17 September 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

The dude who ran the titanic into an iceberg was pretty positive about breakin' that record. The workers at Fukishima were pretty positive about their safety. Bush was pretty positive 'bout them WMDs. Sometimes, pretending things are ok when they clearly aren't does harm, and defending people who are mindlessly optimistic just screws everyone over.

I'm guessing you are trying to imply that your negativity is justified because you are changing something that is headed for disaster?