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[Nicholas Carlyle]

Funniest thing about this is all said and done, 5 is probably pretty accurate.

The problem is, a 5 under normal circumstances, eh I'd give it a go.

A 5 for a crowdfunded game that earned 5 million dollars with devs who have issues with keeping to their word?

I stay away from those.

[East Indy]

Gamers never, ever use MetaCritic to grind an axe.

[Franchi]

RG Notch, on 17 September 2013 - 03:29 PM, said:

Exactly, this is a F2P game, why would you waste you time and money investing in the long run in a F2P with unreliable developers. It's not like a boxed game that you might get a patch or some DLC for. You are relying on them to continue to provide a solid game that grows and not to just grab your money and bolt. The dev team is a vital part of what you are getting in a F2P. If you can't trust them to make deadlines, communicate or make fixes properly and timely you are in for a bad F2P experience. So rating the team is perfectly valid.

I find the super gold reviews depressing, reading them you have three themes that come up in nearly every one of them, "Community is butt-hurt ignore them" and "but in 2 months we will get community warfare/clans" "Its a F2P game"

Now lets examine, when has PGI made a deadline?? How many times has community warfare been pushed back? When were the clans supposed to have arrived?

All of those things were pushed back either via incompetence or in favor of grabdeals, 3rd person, and trolling players on twitter, reddit and the forums.

And as you stated in a F2P game we are essentially depending entirely on the developers to steer this boat in the right direction and produce new content.

Think maybe the "Butt-hurt" players have a point?

[Psikez]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 17 September 2013 - 03:37 PM, said:

I stay away from those.

So far away that you're in the last place they'd ever look... THEY'RE OWN FORUMS

[Jin Ma]

Jestun, on 17 September 2013 - 03:25 PM, said:

To the people saying that you cannot rate the deveopers as part of the review - PGI has made it very clear that they consider launch to be "just another day" and that development is ongoing.

The performance and actions of the dev team plays a key part in how the game is now and how it will progress after the review is posted.

For a F2P game that constantly offers content. its very hard to review the actual game, because wht you see now may not be the whole picture.

in which case it is a rating of the quality of this content delivery.

[Jestun]

Jin Ma, on 17 September 2013 - 03:39 PM, said:

For a F2P game that constantly offers content. its very hard to review the actual game, because wht you see now may not be the whole picture.

in which case it is a rating of the quality of this content delivery.

What we see now is the whole picture for launch.

Launch was not decided by us, it was decided by PGI / IGP.

They decided to launch in this state, so this is the state that the reviews will currently be based on.

[Nicholas Carlyle]

Psikez, on 17 September 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

So far away that you're in the last place they'd ever look... THEY'RE OWN FORUMS

I'm about 3-4 patches behind and only played for 3 or 4 games in the month prior to that.

You'll also notice I went from being a heavy poster, to posting during events like today to see if they are really moving in the right direction.

I will say all the people who are saying the 0 people are "mentally ill children" then giving 8-10's. Wow that is some hypocritical stuff.

And the best part is when you read the 8-10, they basically agree the game isn't ready for launch and missing a ton of features. But give it an 8-10 anyway. At least the 0's have a real beef.

That's straight up delusional.

This game is a 7 at it's absolute best if you believe EVERYTHING PGI is saying about CW/UI2.0 coming out.

And since there is no reason to believe that a 4-6 is a fair score.

[Psikez]

Nicholas Carlyle, on 17 September 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

I'm about 3-4 patches behind and only played for 3 or 4 games in the month prior to that.

You'll also notice I went from being a heavy poster, to posting during events like today to see if they are really moving in the right direction.

Welcome back to posting

[Thunder Lips Express]

can we not just keep all of the trolls in the same spot? like under a bridge somewhere? well in their case in their moms basements? i don't want to have to listen to them on every frigging website...

[Dymlos2003]

Scores shouldn't even exist... it should be play it or not or just an article about the game that's it.

[RoboCyberMummy]

Welcome to metacritic, where everything's made up and the points don't matter.

[Franchi]

Ecliptor, on 17 September 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

can we not just keep all of the trolls in the same spot? like under a bridge somewhere? well in their case in their moms basements? i don't want to have to listen to them on every frigging website...

Niko Snows new post about forum rules insured that all the trolls would flee from under the bridge that is the MWO forums, I know for a fact that many of the reviews on meta critic exists because of that ill timed and ill conceived addition to the forum rules.

Don't want to have to chase people critical of MWO all over the internet? Don't drive them off your forums.

[Wascot]

...guess I'll just chime in here for a bit.

I can understand the disgust some people are feeling as I experienced the same thing back when Planetside2 was in beta. There were many questionable things SOE decided they want even when the old 'vet' community told them this is a bad idea. What did I do? I simply never played the game when it was released even though I've been expecting PS2 for years. Been following the development of PS2 casually and I've seen some good things. Still not my "vision" of what a successor to Planetside should be, but certainly heading in the right direction.

Maybe PGI will get that epiphany SOE sort of did with PS2. It may take a couple more months of bashing their skulls against the wall before they finally concede, but as they say pride comes before a fall. The question now is whether MWO will have enough players to sustain it before PGI gets their collective heads out of the place where the sun don't shine.

That's the problem with having high expectations. Chances are they fall short and you're left embittered by the broken promises and shattered expectations. Though I suppose nothing like a review website and a bit of anonymity to vent some frustration.

[Top Secret Fifth Account Shhh]

What the **** is with people calling "complete lack of end game / retention qualities beyond sinks" high expectations?

I mean, ****.

[Deux]

I'm sorry ...but everyone who rated this game a 10 are....bah what the point. No I did not rate this game a 10 as a 10 would be a perfect score and there is no game ever that was perfect. So basically we are looking at a max score or 9. As there is no UI2.0 we will take 1 away....so we are at 8. No clans...-1, no meta game...-1, still only 2 combat modes....-1, and I'm sure other ppl can think of other ways to justify their score but a 5 is right about where this game is at right now.

I mean if I had to rate where the game will be in 3 to 6 months then oh yeah it's a 9 maybe even a 9.5, but it didn't say rate the game whe it will be but rather what it is. I see some familiar names from the post( won't say their names but they know who they are) who just flat out rate this a 10....so what happens when those other features arrive will you rate this a 10++++..... That's my 2 cents please continue flaming.

[Dymlos2003]

Top Secret Fifth Account Shhh, on 17 September 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

What the **** is with people calling "complete lack of end game / retention qualities beyond sinks" high expectations?

I mean, ****.

Because a lot of people have high expectations? I guess dota and lol lack of end game as well?

[Jestun]

Wascot, on 17 September 2013 - 03:53 PM, said:

...guess I'll just chime in here for a bit.

I can understand the disgust some people are feeling as I experienced the same thing back when Planetside2 was in beta. There were many questionable things SOE decided they want even when the old 'vet' community told them this is a bad idea. What did I do? I simply never played the game when it was released even though I've been expecting PS2 for years. Been following the development of PS2 casually and I've seen some good things. Still not my "vision" of what a successor to Planetside should be, but certainly heading in the right direction.

Maybe PGI will get that epiphany SOE sort of did with PS2. It may take a couple more months of bashing their skulls against the wall before they finally concede, but as they say pride comes before a fall. The question now is whether MWO will have enough players to sustain it before PGI gets their collective heads out of the place where the sun don't shine.

That's the problem with having high expectations. Chances are they fall short and you're left embittered by the broken promises and shattered expectations. Though I suppose nothing like a review website and a bit of anonymity to vent some frustration.

SOE has examples of both outcomes.

SWG where they continued to ignore the community and insist they knew best.

And PS2 where they implemented the community roadmap to allow people to vote on the upcoming changes and to keep them involved.


Hopefully PGI will work out which of these outcomes is better for everyone.

[Top Secret Fifth Account Shhh]

dymlos2003, on 17 September 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

Because a lot of people have high expectations? I guess dota and lol lack of end game as well?

Na, specifically creating a system/environment/persistant state (see: CW) gives it end game.

Conversely, letting the players foster a competitive environment themselves, organically from their own community/culture, works, ala stuff like Dota, where it's merely catered to or balanced around. This game currently has very little of either of those - conceptually maybe, but at the moment in game, na.

I mean, for ***** sake, IGP actually thought counting down from 10 to 7 would throw off stream snipers for a stream a while back. Hello? Maybe let them go on the test server? Think about the type of metrics PGI could get from even slightly focusing on competitive scene to allow them to play stuff out. That would be great for balance or CW related stuff, but na. They do dumb **** like guinea-pig solo tournies, like that **** means {Richard Cameron} in a real end game. It wouldn't even be applicable to a ******* dueling system, christ...

Edited by Top Secret Fifth Account Shhh, 17 September 2013 - 04:01 PM.

[StandingCow]

Metacritic is silly, and it shouldn't influence people's opinion's on games...some companies put too much stock into what metacritic says.

Anyway, I gave a fair review, I gave the game a 5... it's fun but it is not ready to have the beta tag removed.

[Dymlos2003]

Top Secret Fifth Account Shhh, on 17 September 2013 - 03:59 PM, said:

Na, specifically creating a system/environment/persistant state (see: CW) gives it end game.

Conversely, letting the players foster a competitive environment themselves, organically from their own community/culture, works, ala stuff like Dota, where it's merely catered to or balanced around. This game currently has very little of either of those - conceptually maybe, but at the moment in game, na.

I mean, for ***** sake, IGP actually thought counting down from 10 to 7 would throw off stream snipers for a stream a while back. Hello? Maybe let them go on the test server? Think about the type of metrics PGI could get from even slightly focusing on competitive scene to allow them to play stuff out. That would be great for balance or CW related stuff, but na.

Yes, now wait and stop acting like whining kids not getting their toy NOW