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[Grym]

If you thought that was bad go play league of legends with your child.

[TychoTheItinerant]

Grym, on 12 October 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

If you thought that was bad go play league of legends with your child.

Oh man, the horror stories I hear from my LoL-playing friends. More screaming misogynistic selfish little ****-birds playing that game than you can shake a ward at.

[Mcchuggernaut]

While I was raised to have respect and would certainly try my best not to swear if I knew a child was listening, I know that everyone doesn't share that view. If I did not want my child exposed to such things, I wouldn't put them in a situation where it is likely to happen and then get irritated when it does. That's like walking alone down a dark alley at night loudly yelling "please, don't mug me!", and getting upset and surprised when it happens. While I also don't want to tell you that your child shouldn't be allowed to play this game, I think it is important to realize at the same time that it wasn't designed with young children in mind either, and there are going to be problems because of that. I know there are some real idiots out there, but asking them to play nice just isn't an option. Trolls can't change their warts, to modify the old saying about the leopard and changing spots. I would advise you either find a more age-appropriate game for him, keep him in testing grounds, or take your chances without blaming the "community". Besides, most of the worst people aren't even on the forums to see this post anyway. Sorry you had a bad experience, and I am not trying to bash you, but I think this is the actual reality and you have to deal with it practically.

Edited by Mcchuggernaut, 12 October 2013 - 10:44 PM.

[CtrlAltWheee]

Gorgo7, on 12 October 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

I could care less about your kid.
Broadcasting that he/she is at the helm demonstrates your desire for others to parent on your behalf.
Modify your own behavior before asking strangers to modify theirs.
Perhaps you should stop playing and spend more time with your child.
I am not a babysitter.

Good Hunting!

What

[Mycrus]

umm... moralizing on the internet...

my kid has her own account and it most often in the testing grounds... no better place to start learning...

[KharnZor]

Wow at some of the responses to the Op.
GG guys

[Vercinaigh]

Mcchuggernaut, on 12 October 2013 - 10:41 PM, said:

While I was raised to have respect and would certainly try my best not to swear if I knew a child was listening, I know that everyone doesn't share that view. If I did not want my child exposed to such things, I wouldn't put them in a situation where it is likely to happen and then get irritated when it does. That's like walking alone down a dark alley at night loudly yelling "please, don't mug me!", and getting upset and surprised when it happens. While I also don't want to tell you that your child shouldn't be allowed to play this game, I think it is important to realize at the same time that it wasn't designed with young children in mind either, and there are going to be problems because of that. I know there are some real idiots out there, but asking them to play nice just isn't an option. Trolls can't change their warts, to modify the old saying about the leopard and changing spots. I would advise you either find a more age-appropriate game for him, keep him in testing grounds, or take your chances without blaming the "community". Besides, most of the worst people aren't even on the forums to see this post anyway. Sorry you had a bad experience, and I am not trying to bash you, but I think this is the actual reality and you have to deal with it practically.

Exactly, not to mention it's not our job to worry about your life responsibilities. Don't mean to sound like a {Richard Cameron}, but it's just like people with the asking not to swear on coms, if you got people you don't want to hear it, buy headphones. I never expect that of anyone else either, people come on to be themselves, in one way or another, and no one has any right to tell them they can't. Granted there is a line but one would hope maturity clearly defines that, reality is sadly not supportive of it.

[Ezazel]

I think OP is trolling.

[Rascula]

Good luck to you and your daughter Rolly.

And I agree, Its a good thing to sometimes remind people to stop being complete di*ks on the internet.

[Ecto Cooler]

rolly, on 12 October 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

Today I gave my very young son the opportunity to ride shotgun with me while we played this game together. I asked the 11 other players to "Go easy on me, my son is learning how to play." Perhaps it was foolish of me to think that "hey maybe these guys will be awesome and be sportsmanlike. Especially to a child playing a game for the first time with his dad."

Sadly there were a few who took this as an opportunity to talk smack. With lines line "I will feast on his soul with my AC/20" or "Sheesh why not just hang a pork chop around his neck"

No sympathy here.

You and your son aren't the only people playing the game, so asking for consideration while learning is selfish and quite honestly, naive. There is a level of smack talk with anything competitive, video games included.

To even mention the "Alt + F4" line is absurd as that's been a running joke in almost every online game I've played. Who honestly falls for that?

Personally, I will make no considerations for someone else's children and I think it's inappropriate to ask me to play or act differently because of that. Making it sound like you're making an altruistic appeal to the community is misleading.

[Rakshasa]

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Wow at some of the responses to the Op.
GG guys

Agreed, though given how some elements of the MWO forums community routinely and spectacularly dredge the deepest depths of self-importance, egotistical entitlement and wretched behavior, it's not surprising. Depressing to observe, absolutely, but not surprising.

Ordinarily, you'd think that a "challenge" to act decently and help new and possibly younger players adjust and enjoy themselves in an internet game about giant robots wouldn't even be required but, as this thread has shown us, imaginary giant robots are clearly very srs bsns for some people.

Edited by Rakshasa, 13 October 2013 - 04:02 AM.

[KAT Ayanami]

Yes, the community kind of sucks due to more than a few dumb users.

But again, asking the other guys to keep it easy on your son was a mistake.

First, not many people check the user name of the mech they are going to attack. Second, if they do, it will be to look for your son because he is the easy target.

[KAT Ayanami]

Gorgo7, on 12 October 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

I could care less about your kid.
Broadcasting that he/she is at the helm demonstrates your desire for others to parent on your behalf.
Modify your own behavior before asking strangers to modify theirs.
Perhaps you should stop playing and spend more time with your child.
I am not a babysitter.

Good Hunting!

Thanks for proving my point about "dumb" users.

BTW, I use the word "dumb" so I do not get censored or banned. But you are a complete a-hole that is stepping out of your boundaries just to troll the guy.

[Duncan Aravain]

I do not condone profanity or needless harassment for any player. That being said, it does bother me that the current broken Match Maker decides to place new or extremely low ELO players on my team; a fact usually discovered only after fighting a long and bruising encounter (losing the match) and I find the offending mechs wandering around at 99% health, looking at the sky or in third person with 0 damage dealt. Then, and usually only then, do I resort to a darn or even a frick (actual words I use) in team chat. Profanity or harassment; I won't do it. Showing my frustration at PGI/low current talented players in chat in a non profane or threatening way, however, should never be taken away. Saying "gg" after a match when some of your team just wasn't up to par from the start ( and the Match Maker thinks it's OK), just strikes me as wrong. Usually I keep quiet, since they cannot seem to see that they were at fault or see that it truly was NOT a good game. I will support your reasonable request to keep the profanity down, however. After all, MWO needs new blood to keep it going, especially before us old vets give up on a broken game.

Edited by Duncan Aravain, 13 October 2013 - 05:05 AM.

[ApolloKaras]

Gorgo7, on 12 October 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:

I could care less about your kid.
Broadcasting that he/she is at the helm demonstrates your desire for others to parent on your behalf.
Modify your own behavior before asking strangers to modify theirs.
Perhaps you should stop playing and spend more time with your child.
I am not a babysitter.

Good Hunting!

Mwo could start off from removing this post along with several in this thread just mindless trolls.

At the op consider looking into premade groups specifically (as someone did mention earlier). At least that will make the experience more enjoyable. I still however wouldn't announce it.

[CravenMadness]

Why is he an 'a-hole' because he is stating how he views the situation? ... I don't like kids, and I dislike parents who coddle and hand-hold and think their child is special and deserves some sort of special considerations.

No. Your child is an ugly, malformed midget human that can't communicate it's needs or thoughts coherently, nor navigate the arena you just dumped them into. If anything, it's your own irresponsibility that exposed your child to the influences you find displeasing.

In the end, everyone is somebody's kid. I don't start every match by saying, Hey guys my mom's down-stairs cooking dinner for me, and I'm sitting on daddy's lap, please let me play but don't shoot me too much 'k thanks!

This is also the internet. Anonymity is a shield.

[Kain]

Yes, anonymity is a great shield.., it affects the person IQ also apparently,

This is just a problem of the internet as a whole, and it is not about parents/children etc.

The problem is that people can't behave as normal human beings on the internet and in online games.

People just want to play a game, and they don't want to hear some news about their mom's activities, or what kind of sexual orientation they apparently have developed...

[Lyoto Machida]

I don't know...I'm generally a nice guy in real life but if I saw someone type that out on the other team, I'd hunt to kill that player. Not because I want to make some kid I don't know cry but because it will help PGI understand why they need a new player ELO bracket. The fastest way to get something you want gone fixed is to exploit it ruthlessly. If you don't draw attention to the problem, there will be no resolution. This is also why you should target and quickly dispatch any obviously new players you find in your games...on top of the fact that its just good strategy to eliminate an enemy quickly.

Also, what's to stop someone who is 40 years old from making the same request? Of course, a new player ELO bracket wouldn't have mattered in the above scenario since he was playing on his dad's account.

OP...are you sure you've played other internet games or have ever been on an internet forum? This is a pretty respectful gaming community in comparison to others. Go see what a PS3/Xbox shooter is like. In the end, your kids are gonna be exposed to this language in school at some point anyways. The stuff they encounter on the internet will make people in real life seem that much nicer.

Purlana, on 12 October 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

You really shouldn't advertise when someone is new to the game, it's like hanging a big target on their mech. Most of the "mean" players probably don't even read the forums anyway...

Most likely the same advice you'd give someone going to jail (or school) for the first time.

[Bront]

1) Asking for someone to "go easy on the newb" will never work in a competitive game. Why? Because there's no real way to see if he is a newb, and it's a competitive game folks want to win. It's one thing to ask when playing locally with friends, but online with strangers? Not going to happen.

2) The community could be nicer at times, but I often find that there are plenty of nice folks online. The problem is that often the nicer folks are quieter, and the rude folks tend to also be the loud ones. Sometimes you just get jokes (Alt-F4 was more a camera joke, most folks should know that's wrong, and I think it's disabled in game anyway) that are mean spirited, while other times they're simply trying to have fun (Announcing you have 6 TAGs on Open Coms, wondering where you load the cat for your catapult, etc). If you're expecting a competitive war game community to always be nice, you're being naive, but I don't think hoping they can at least be a bit more mature is unreasonable.

[rolly]

Purlana, on 12 October 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

You really shouldn't advertise when someone is new to the game, it's like hanging a big target on their mech. Most of the "mean" players probably don't even read the forums anyway...

That's part of my point. A new player should be able to say "hey what should I be doing, I'm new" and be for the most part welcomed and helped out. What this also means is I'm less inclined to invite and encourage my fellow Gaming Group members to play know this is the type of reception they'd get, much less a child playing with his dad for the first time. Like it or not this community is growing and we have a certain degree of control of how that outcome happens. I'd prefer not to believe that this community is growing into a bunch of uncaring people and jerks that poison the experience.

Essentially what you're saying is "avoid the problem and hope it will go away."