128 replies to this topic

[Nick Makiaveli]

Razuko, on 08 November 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

The cod of conduct is what I was referring to. You think they give a damn if someone suicides? HAH! no....

Umm did you even read it?
[color=#959595]Self-Destruction[/color]
[color=#959595]Any MechWarrior who [/color]willfully or repeatedly[color=#959595]-[/color]

• Overheats their BattleMech to destruction; or
  
• Is removed from battle by leaving the battlefield boundaries;

[color=#959595]Is guilty of BattleMech Desertion and shall be moderated.[/color]


I guess not. Reading is a useful skill. So is knowing what you are talking about before making derisive comments about others.

Evil Ed, on 22 November 2013 - 12:11 AM, said:

What's wrong with you, complaining about exactly everything in this game?

Back to reading, we now focus on knowing what words actually mean and how to use them. "exactly everything" is used here to mean one single thing, which is indicative of someone either being the product of a dezgra mating with a surat, or lacking any serious imagination when trying to insult someone. I suspect a combination of both.

So to recap, the rules forbid suicide to avoid combat. This is a game, so talking about RL combat etc is off point at best, and silly at worst. If the devs meant for running away to be a viable tactic, they wouldn't have a lethal boundary, and there would be in-game reasons or objectives related to it. IE a map where the objective for one side is to escape via the far edge, etc.

Personally i hope dying via OoBs counts against you KDR.

[Appogee]

Nick Makiaveli, on 22 November 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

Personally i hope dying via OoBs counts against you KDR.

Apparently it doesn't, unfortunately.

It would be a nice and easy addition to the code, to reinforce the stated rules.

DarkDevilDancer, on 10 November 2013 - 04:22 AM, said:

Personally I'd rather the last surviving scout runs oob instead of running away for several minutes, too often a game drags on and on because that last scout insists on wasting the winning teams time, In conquest waiting for the points to cap is fair enough but in assault it's just being a troll.

I'd rather they split the enemy up, find a weakened opponent and kill them.

That's what I do. It doesn't always work, but when it does it's awesome.

[Rowanas]

I never understood dying on purpose under any circumstances. If I can score even one extra small laser hit, that's a cbill in the bank. If I was denied my rightfully earnt cbills, I'd go ballistic, so I wouldn't dare do it to another player. KDR means nothing, ELO means nothing, and it's just plain infuriating.

[Spawnsalot]

OP, I wouldn't get worked up about it. A lot of people these days aren't very big on sportsmanship - that includes winning AND losing gracefully - and only care about "the win", and in circumstances like the one you described will just look for the quickest exit because their situation is understandably pretty hopeless. Maybe they don't need the C-Bills or more importantly the XP?

Personally if I'm the last mech standing I go down swinging (and that doesn't mean march into the middle of the enemy and tanking everything!) And when I'm crippled and weapon-less I power down with a "GG", I've been defeated and accept the loss and move on.

If I'm on the group versus the lone survivor I usually hang back and let the guy give a good account of himself instead of a quick gank, it's more sporting and makes for a more friendly environment instead of just *ROFLSTOMP*"GG CLOSE!"

It's a video game not a war folks - reality check and dial back the imaginations a little bit.

p.s. Maybe an OOB suicide could negatively affect the players K/Dr and ELO?

Oh! And..

Someone suggested and eject button? Are you mad or are you mental? Can you not see how that would get abused given the current temperament of a large portion of MWO players?

[Jon Gotham]

Nick Makiaveli, on 22 November 2013 - 09:40 PM, said:

Umm did you even read it?
[color=#959595]Self-Destruction[/color]
[color=#959595]Any MechWarrior who [/color]willfully or repeatedly[color=#959595]-[/color]

• Overheats their BattleMech to destruction; or
  
• Is removed from battle by leaving the battlefield boundaries;

[color=#959595]Is guilty of BattleMech Desertion and shall be moderated.[/color]



I guess not. Reading is a useful skill. So is knowing what you are talking about before making derisive comments about others.



Back to reading, we now focus on knowing what words actually mean and how to use them. "exactly everything" is used here to mean one single thing, which is indicative of someone either being the product of a dezgra mating with a surat, or lacking any serious imagination when trying to insult someone. I suspect a combination of both.

So to recap, the rules forbid suicide to avoid combat. This is a game, so talking about RL combat etc is off point at best, and silly at worst. If the devs meant for running away to be a viable tactic, they wouldn't have a lethal boundary, and there would be in-game reasons or objectives related to it. IE a map where the objective for one side is to escape via the far edge, etc.

Personally i hope dying via OoBs counts against you KDR.

So, the rules reward the greedy gankers for going 7 on 1? Your team could not play their way out of a paper bag? Tough break son, so now go offer yourself to the enemy and give them even more xp and allw them to feel that bit more smug about themselves yessir!
I'm not sure I like the idea of being "forced" to go die.....I'd rather have the option of just saying "gg" and leaving rather than giving any more reward for a team who either outweighs or out elo'd mine.
Now if it was a good batle and was relatively even and close, then sure I'll fight. But when it's an obvious mismatch, why should they get rewarded for ganking me 5+ on 1?
As I said earlier, in other games I have given my enemy the chance to stay alive if I have been able, on WT for example-let the last guy land and leave-or in this give that last guy a 1 on 1 if there are like, 5 of you say.
Often that last guy leaving the boundry can be doing you a favour if he happens to be close to it, getting the match over with faster.
This was bandied about the WoT forums-people wheeling out the "they are cowards" routine over and over "they cheat ME out of MY rewards" etc.
Really?

[990Dreams]

Spawnsalot, on 23 November 2013 - 03:33 AM, said:

Someone suggested and eject button? Are you mad or are you mental? Can you not see how that would get abused given the current temperament of a large portion of MWO players?

Perhaps by adding an actual eject/self-destruct they could:
A: Give the game a bit more canon with the ejector
B: Count the ejection sequences and give you penalties based on the number of times you eject (although of course having an auto eject when your reactor gets cored shouldn't count)

Edited by DavidHurricane, 23 November 2013 - 07:47 AM.

[990Dreams]

kamiko kross, on 23 November 2013 - 06:48 AM, said:

So, the rules reward the greedy gankers for going 7 on 1? Your team could not play their way out of a paper bag? Tough break son, so now go offer yourself to the enemy and give them even more xp and allw them to feel that bit more smug about themselves yessir!
I'm not sure I like the idea of being "forced" to go die.....I'd rather have the option of just saying "gg" and leaving rather than giving any more reward for a team who either outweighs or out elo'd mine.
Now if it was a good batle and was relatively even and close, then sure I'll fight. But when it's an obvious mismatch, why should they get rewarded for ganking me 5+ on 1?
As I said earlier, in other games I have given my enemy the chance to stay alive if I have been able, on WT for example-let the last guy land and leave-or in this give that last guy a 1 on 1 if there are like, 5 of you say.
Often that last guy leaving the boundry can be doing you a favour if he happens to be close to it, getting the match over with faster.
This was bandied about the WoT forums-people wheeling out the "they are cowards" routine over and over "they cheat ME out of MY rewards" etc.
Really?

Or you could show a bit less cowardice and fight till the (reactor gets cored). I honestly don't care, I just think that you should get cowardice penalties or something for self destructing (not loyalty points, I highly disagree with ejecting not being loyal, but whatever)

EDIT: The rules are rules. If you don't like it then take it up with Comstar Administration.

Edited by DavidHurricane, 24 November 2013 - 11:37 AM.

[Jon Gotham]

Hmm very interesting YOU of all people should say that David.
I remember a game you were in yesterday........(pro skulking whilst I went 2 on 1 and won-capwarrior did quite well there)

You seem to have this mythos built up about fighting like a man and cowardice. It looks and sounds, simply ridiculous matey.
If going out of bounds is "cowardly" so is ganking one guy-five on one.
No bravery required there.



N.B: I'd have a gank counter, and count the amount of times you wolf packed the last guy down like a dezgra, drooling at the mouth. Some kind of penalty maybe?
Sounds like a stupid idea doesn't it?
That idea sound familiar?

Edited by kamiko kross, 24 November 2013 - 01:45 PM.

[-Muta-]

Why would you report them?

This is a game and there is no real such thing as honor or bravery.

It's all about you win or lose and have fun playing so if you can definetely NOT win the match it's up to you wether you want to fight, cap or run out of bounds.

Nobody can decide what is wrong or right. It is you and your play style so for those who cry about everything...

Get over it and move on.

Edited by Mutaroc, 24 November 2013 - 01:48 PM.

[Appogee]

Mutaroc, on 24 November 2013 - 01:45 PM, said:

Why would you report them?

If you take the time to read the thread you responded to, you will find the answer to the question you asked.

Hint: There is actually ''someone who can decide what is wrong or right''.

[sneeking]

if im still armed in any way then im definitely comming your way, damage = Cbills even in death right.

if iv got zero offensive capacity and no speed to cap then ill probably just ram your knee caps and draw some friendly fire your way

I would hope you do same, lets get it done and start a new one.

[MavRCK]

Appogee, on 05 November 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Today I saw the lone surviving player on the enemy team deliberately run out of bounds, rather than let the enemy team kill him.

A cowardly act, and poor sportsmanship, certainly. Worse, I've seen the same guy do it more than once.

But is deliberately running out of bounds also a reportable offense?





What made it worse was that he was in a Spider. Some of us had spent a good part of the game trying in vain to hit his buggy behind as he ran in and out of skirmishes taking pot shots at us.

My mom is suffering from empty-nest syndrome and she could mommy you in this big, bad online world of mechs..!

Lol!

[Jon Gotham]

Appogee, on 24 November 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

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Today I saw the lone surviving player on the enemy team deliberately run out of bounds, rather than let the enemy team kill him. (EH!!!!!!!!???????)

Hint: There is actually ''someone who can decide what is wrong or right''. (EH!!!!!!!!???????)

I'm sorry to say this, but there is much irony to be had here in this post:(
I sadly did read this thread and am sickened to see how it's a "cowardly" act to to run out of bounds but somehow "brave" to gank a guy 5 on 1.
How can it be not ok to run out of bounds but be perfectly ok to gank a guy who stands 0 chance? The definition of sportsmanship seems to be obscured in this thread:)
One of those scenarios is really unfair, one isn't.
Guess which one!

[Appogee]

kamiko kross, on 24 November 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

I sadly did read this thread

kamiko kross, on 24 November 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

How can it be not ok to run out of bounds but be perfectly ok to gank a guy who stands 0 chance? The definition of sportsmanship seems to be obscured in this thread:)

If you spent less time being sad, and more time reading the thread, you'd have found the answer to your questions. These include ''you (almost never) stand zero chance'' and ''it's the rules of the game to keep fighting''.

sneeking, on 24 November 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

if iv got zero offensive capacity and no speed to cap then ill probably just ram your knee caps and draw some friendly fire your way.

Last week I saw a pilot with no weapons deliberately ramming an enemy Mech repeatedly. He added to its leg damage, and distracted it from firing at his lance. I thought it was a fantastic spirit of ''never say die'' and ''fight to the finish''.

MavRCK, on 24 November 2013 - 03:52 PM, said:

My mom is suffering from empty-nest syndrome and she could mommy you in this big, bad online world of mechs..!

That is a very kind offer. Is she a a MILF?

Edited by Appogee, 24 November 2013 - 09:15 PM.

[Jon Gotham]

Just because it's in the rules, don't mean it's right.

Running out of bounds is seen as:
Cowardly
Unsportsmanlike

Other comments like "It denies the other team a rightful kill" "it denies other team their reward"

Yet on the flip side ganking a guy is seen as perfectly fine and fair? You say they almost never stand 0 chance, that is frankly rubbish. In 1 in a million cases maybe they might get a lucky streak sent from heaven but it ain't likely.
Why is ganking 1 player not seen as cowardly and unsportsmanlike? Why is it ok?
Normally, ganging up on one person is the height of cowardice and shameful behaviour-yet on this thread it is ignored and seen as fine. Why is leaving the area seen as a "cowardly" thing yet tearing one guy to pieces like a pack of hounds after a fox seen as fine?
Because whatever way you look at it, those gankers are every bit as bad if not worse than the runner.

I was sad at reading the comments here because most of them convey an insane sense of entitlement. We are denied OUR KILL, OUR REWARD, OUR FUN.
What about that last player you are mercilessly pounding to death? What about their fun?
If you truly cared about fairness, and sportsmanship you might offer him the chance to stand down, send a "gg mate well played his way" and cap instead. Show a bit of class.
I've done that in WT many times and in WoT, let them land an leave or not gank them to death and show a bit of sportsmanship.

But I feel the real issue here is, if they run you can't smash their entire team and feel dominant. You can't pat yourself on the back for crushing them all. You don't get YOUR reward.
Well newsflash, you are not entitled to anything, you have to earn your rewards. But ganking one guy ain't earning anything except a bit more shame.

[Hammerhai]

Indeed. Go hone your agendas elsewhere, gankers. Your "thrill to kill" is disgusting and unseemly. That it is only a simulation does not excuse it.

[Appogee]

kamiko kross, on 25 November 2013 - 03:51 AM, said:

You say they almost never stand 0 chance, that is frankly rubbish.

If you bothered to read the thread, rather than posting nonsense about how the rules of the game are ''unfair'', then you'd see the several videos which demonstrate how the last player can often get kills and in some cases win the match.

But when you fail to try, you will certainly fail to succeed.

kamiko kross, on 25 November 2013 - 03:51 AM, said:

I was sad at reading the comments here because most of them convey an insane sense of entitlement. We are denied OUR KILL, OUR REWARD, OUR FUN. What about that last player you are mercilessly pounding to death? What about their fun?

I myself am often that last player getting killed. However, I don't need your misplaced sympathy.

When I am the last Mech standing, I don't skulk off like a dog with my tail between my legs. I fight back, and I try to kill as many enemies as I can. It's a matter of pride, an opportunity to hone my skills, and a requirement of the rules of the game. And, as shown in the videos in this thread, some my greatest victories and most fun moments have come from beating the odds in those situations.

So, don't lecture me on ''sense of entitlement''. The only thing I want to be entitled to is opponents who do as I do, and keep trying.

I reserve my contempt is for those who give up, who don't even try, and disregard the rules of the game. You are the ones who should seek the comfort in the cushy boosom of MavRCK's mom.

Edited by Appogee, 25 November 2013 - 06:23 AM.

[Appogee]

Hammerhai, on 25 November 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

Your "thrill to kill" is disgusting and unseemly. That it is only a simulation does not excuse it.

If you find killing Mechs while playing MechWarrior ''disgusting and unseemly'', then you should be playing MechRetreater, MechHider or MechBarbieDoll instead.

Edited by Appogee, 25 November 2013 - 06:28 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Appogee, on 05 November 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

Today I saw the lone surviving player on the enemy team deliberately run out of bounds, rather than let the enemy team kill him.

A cowardly act, and poor sportsmanship, certainly. Worse, I've seen the same guy do it more than once.

But is deliberately running out of bounds also a reportable offense?





What made it worse was that he was in a Spider. Some of us had spent a good part of the game trying in vain to hit his buggy behind as he ran in and out of skirmishes taking pot shots at us.

Nope. They have obviously surrendered.

[The Basilisk]

While reading this thread I got pretty whide eyed. Such a fus because of such a little insignificant matter.

I wonder if sweet li'l Apogee has realized how much of his posts in this thread got a like.

Yes girls and guys its an indicator of what the other players think of your opinion on this four pages of pure hate, greed and malevolence aimed at a little iti biti spider that has obviously angered this guy by denying him his little two seconds of dominance over an adversary that isn't realy one.

Dear Apogee do you at least realize that there may be people that know the rules that technically alow you to humiliate an opponent by ganking him XXX vs one but also know in what spirit these rules where writen and honor this spirit in spite of rule abusers like you ?

Yes it is possible to abuse given rules.
Especialy if those rules give you an unfair advantage over an other player that has no REAL possible way to strike back effectively.

So far I had no one on my ignorelist since closed beta. I think I now have found one who deserves the very special honor to be the very first in it.

Congrats
That wasn't easy

Edited by The Basilisk, 25 November 2013 - 07:32 AM.