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[FupDup]

Tesunie, on 29 March 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

If you can find the offender, which can be a challenge sometimes...

In theory, there would be a little microphone icon by a player's name in the scoreboard when they talk, and/or having their name in the bottom right corner while they talk (sort of like how XBox Live does it).

[Tesunie]

FupDup, on 29 March 2014 - 08:39 PM, said:

In theory, there would be a little microphone icon by a player's name in the scoreboard when they talk, and/or having their name in the bottom right corner while they talk (sort of like how XBox Live does it).

Dealt with a system like that (PS3), and sometimes, with only a group of 8, it was hard to find the offender and nix their mic, as more than one person tend to be talking at the same time... (And try doing that in combat in this game... could be a bit of a challenge.)

Probably what would be best is to be able to create an ignore list. Then, as you find them, you place them onto an ignore list after the match (if you couldn't do it in the match). Then, they would forever be silenced if you play with them again...

[Bartholomew bartholomew]

Joseph Mallan, on 07 November 2013 - 09:32 AM, said:

Although, I could not figure out last night how I was being rained on standing under cover, on river city!

probablty that missle turret that ignores ANY amount of ECM.

[Cimarb]

Tesunie, on 29 March 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

If you can find the offender, which can be a challenge sometimes...

Exactly. I have more important things to worry about than trying to figure out who is talking mid-match.

Like I said, I know a lot of people want the feature, but I am definitely not one of them.

[Jon Gotham]

Cimarb, on 29 March 2014 - 07:52 PM, said:

Teamwork is overpowered - nerf teamwork!

Hmm snarky reply to a problem that is real.
Good attitude there you have.

I do exercise teamwork and run ECM mechs with my buddies, so we can try to counter the lrm rain. I drop in nothing but ECM mechs so the people I drop with have a chance of avoiding the lrmageddon waiting to paste them. In fact, I'm utterly bored with running them.

Teamwork in this case is making me bored of playing. Because of over use of one weapon system.

But hey, let's make a snarky reply-that'll help.

[Lyoto Machida]

kamiko kross, on 30 March 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

Hmm snarky reply to a problem that is real.
Good attitude there you have.

I do exercise teamwork and run ECM mechs with my buddies, so we can try to counter the lrm rain. I drop in nothing but ECM mechs so the people I drop with have a chance of avoiding the lrmageddon waiting to paste them. In fact, I'm utterly bored with running them.

Teamwork in this case is making me bored of playing. Because of over use of one weapon system.

But hey, let's make a snarky reply-that'll help.

Here's another one...most players complaining about LRMs are bad.

True story.

[Tesunie]

Lyoto Machida, on 30 March 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

Here's another one...most players complaining about LRMs are bad.

True story.

I was gonna go with:
Here is the counter to your counter. Most players who claim LRMs are bad are also claiming that no one can get within 180m of them. False, as I can and I can prove I do often. (Already did actually.) Another claim is that the team with the most LRMs wins, yet I had one lopsided match with my team being almost all LRMs, and we lost to a team who only had one LRM mech, the rest were all direct fire loadouts. So, another lie.

If they can stop announcing the possible problem with emphasized and bold faced lies, maybe I could stop be snarky and take them seriously...


However, this is just what I was thinking on the subject...

[Lyoto Machida]

Tesunie, on 30 March 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

I was gonna go with:
Here is the counter to your counter. Most players who claim LRMs are bad are also claiming that no one can get within 180m of them. False, as I can and I can prove I do often. (Already did actually.) Another claim is that the team with the most LRMs wins, yet I had one lopsided match with my team being almost all LRMs, and we lost to a team who only had one LRM mech, the rest were all direct fire loadouts. So, another lie.

If they can stop announcing the possible problem with emphasized and bold faced lies, maybe I could stop be snarky and take them seriously...


However, this is just what I was thinking on the subject...

Well...some people like to lie when it fits their agendas. Also, some people are only good at playing one style in this game so when the game changes, they can't adapt.

The whole "putting your eggs in one basket" thing...

Just like in life, it's better to be well rounded so you can be ready for as many situations as possible. If you choose to be only good at one thing, you better damn well be elite at it.

[KharnZor]

Tesunie, on 30 March 2014 - 04:03 PM, said:

If they can stop announcing the possible problem with emphasized and bold faced lies, maybe I could stop be snarky and take them seriously...

The LRM bs isn't going to stop any time soon unfortunately

[Tesunie]

KharnZor, on 30 March 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

The LRM bs isn't going to stop any time soon unfortunately

Maybe. Maybe not. I've seen a decline in many of my matches. As of late, I've been one of very few in most matches being the LRM user. (I still get a couple matches from time to time with a few more. Only one that had a really heavy LRM team, which got decimated due to them being used with little skill (probably people still checking out the changes).)

However, this doesn't mean people should show up on the forums, make about 5-10 threads (with the same author is what I mean) about said problem, and then make declarations about how they can't do this or that and have to hide and do nothing. I don't mind them saying their difficulties, where they consider the problem to be, and state their opinion, but I would like to see something to back some of it up. (And saying you "can't" is wrong, as me and many other people still can.)

One of my suggestions to people who are complaining about LRMs is, is it really the speed increase, or could something else be changed to help balance the weapon out? Be productive with your complaint. Make suggestions. And the most important one of all, be courteous when you say your opinion. (Like, don't go "Fix this or I quit". Don't know about you, but personally threats don't work so well on me. I'd image the same for PGI.)


AKA: Make a snarky complaint. Expect snarky replies.

[Lyoto Machida]

Tesunie, on 30 March 2014 - 04:19 PM, said:

Maybe. Maybe not. I've seen a decline in many of my matches. As of late, I've been one of very few in most matches being the LRM user. (I still get a couple matches from time to time with a few more. Only one that had a really heavy LRM team, which got decimated due to them being used with little skill (probably people still checking out the changes).)

However, this doesn't mean people should show up on the forums, make about 5-10 threads (with the same author is what I mean) about said problem, and then make declarations about how they can't do this or that and have to hide and do nothing. I don't mind them saying their difficulties, where they consider the problem to be, and state their opinion, but I would like to see something to back some of it up. (And saying you "can't" is wrong, as me and many other people still can.)

One of my suggestions to people who are complaining about LRMs is, is it really the speed increase, or could something else be changed to help balance the weapon out? Be productive with your complaint. Make suggestions. And the most important one of all, be courteous when you say your opinion. (Like, don't go "Fix this or I quit". Don't know about you, but personally threats don't work so well on me. I'd image the same for PGI.)


AKA: Make a snarky complaint. Expect snarky replies.

Maybe those people are just unable to adapt to the changes? In my head though, that either makes them an inferior player in comparison (naturally poor judgement/spacial awareness?) or too mentally stubborn to successfully adapt.

Or their favorite/most successful playstyle got impacted and they just want things back the way they used to be before because it was easier...

[Warge]

Rhaythe, on 07 November 2013 - 04:44 AM, said:

My ECM laughs at your LRM flood.

What PGI did to ECM is big load of [censored]

[Cimarb]

kamiko kross, on 30 March 2014 - 03:28 PM, said:

I do exercise teamwork and run ECM mechs with my buddies, so we can try to counter the lrm rain. I drop in nothing but ECM mechs so the people I drop with have a chance of avoiding the lrmageddon waiting to paste them. In fact, I'm utterly bored with running them.

Teamwork in this case is making me bored of playing. Because of over use of one weapon system.

I play a minimum of 7 matches a day, with the following AS-D-DC, STK-5M, HGN-HM, CTF-4X, JM6-DD, BLR-1S, ON1-V, also until I get a win, but sometimes more after that. Only the DDC has ECM, of course.

I almost NEVER die to LRMs, and when I do, it is completely, 100% my own fault.

[Lyoto Machida]

Cimarb, on 30 March 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

I play a minimum of 7 matches a day, with the following AS-D-DC, STK-5M, HGN-HM, CTF-4X, JM6-DD, BLR-1S, ON1-V, also until I get a win, but sometimes more after that. Only the DDC has ECM, of course.

I almost NEVER die to LRMs, and when I do, it is completely, 100% my own fault.

Haha...saw you in a game the other day on Terra Therma. You died right in the middle of the caldera platform (but not to my LRMs).

[Cimarb]

Lyoto Machida, on 30 March 2014 - 05:11 PM, said:

Haha...saw you in a game the other day on Terra Therma. You died right in the middle of the caldera platform (but not to my LRMs).

Yeah, I'm not the smartest cookie... but I still rarely die to LRMs - it's usually a direct-fire weapon 99% of the time...

[Tesunie]

Lyoto Machida, on 30 March 2014 - 04:56 PM, said:

Maybe those people are just unable to adapt to the changes? In my head though, that either makes them an inferior player in comparison (naturally poor judgement/spacial awareness?) or too mentally stubborn to successfully adapt.

Or their favorite/most successful playstyle got impacted and they just want things back the way they used to be before because it was easier...

Probably. I've seen enough "if it isn't (Brawling, sniping, jump sniping, etc), it's just skill-less" comments from enough people...

Cimarb, on 30 March 2014 - 05:08 PM, said:

I almost NEVER die to LRMs, and when I do, it is completely, 100% my own fault.

So far, I have died only once to LRM fire that I can recall. (I did have another time that LRMs almost killed me, but I found cover before hand, and then got tapped by a Raven and died. Was out in the open and took a chance. Paid the price.) I got stuck on a rock (small one too), and had to do the 360 spin to get off it. Even then, I had to stand still the whole time (couldn't move) and just as I got unstuck, I died. (Can't say it was entirely my fault, but maybe I should have watched where I was going when I ran into that rock...) I stood still, didn't seek cover (couldn't, but besides the point) and died to LRM fire into my rear torso (as I showed my rear to the LRMs for an extensive time trying to get unstuck). AKA: Was entirely my fault.

I will say, when using LRMs and when fighting against LRMs, positional awareness and map knowledge is key. You have to know what cover will block, and what cover will not. Tourmaline Dessert is key for this, as there are crystal formations above you that can block LRM fire from certain ranges, and yet leave you with clear open firing lanes to shoot in. And the LRMs can't do much about it without closing in or repositioning.

Key information one needs to effectively counter LRMs (Without AMS/ECM):
- Know terrain and what will and wont block LRMs for you. There are spots in several maps that you can stand under and have complete immunity to LRMs, but can keep clear line of sight for direct fire weapons. (Under the bridge in River City. Hugging the boat in Forest colony (duck in and out quickly), some crystal spires in Tormaline will block LRMs from certain ranges and directions, etc.) (Basically, learn your maps.) (Easier to find these spots when you are the one shooting or using LRMs.)
- Find out where the spotter is spotting from. This information can help your break locks, stopping the LRMs from being able to track you. If the spotter doesn't have Advance Target Decay, all the better for you.
- Find out where the LRMs are coming from. Even predict where they might be coming from in advance. It should be easy enough to trace them if they are shooting at other people. Use this to help direct and find cover at the right angle. You can even try to move into that direction, as you know there is someone over there to kill at least.
- If you see a spotter, try to kill him quick. If you see a friendly has LRMs coming in, try to help him kill the spotter. The folly of LRMs is that, yes they only need one person to have the lock, but it also reduces the targets available for the enemy to shoot at. Instead of having to shoot at two mechs, you only need to kill one!
- Read the flow of the battle. This is the hardest, and is more intuitive than actually anything I can tell you to do.
- Learn to direct people to target someone else. I find a large "Shoot him" sign to work, with an arrow pointed at another teammate. (Okay. This one is only kinda true, mostly joke.)

[KAT Ayanami]

ColonelMetus, on 06 November 2013 - 09:48 PM, said:

4-5 lrm 10's on chain fire that permanantly screen shake you.

everyone has seen them all over the place sense the tuesday before last.
if something isnt done PGI is going to over correct the problem like always and we will be left with useless LRMs again.

please, stop the flooding before you ruin LRM for everyone, or. nerf LRM flooding

Why did you go into the open then?

If they shake you like that is because you were too far away from cover.

Anyways, you need like 200 misile hit to actually get damaged.

[Jon Gotham]

Lyoto Machida, on 30 March 2014 - 03:55 PM, said:

Here's another one...most players complaining about LRMs are bad.

True story.

That my friend, is not what I said is it?
I usually don't have any issue with people complaining about lrms currently, as they are being over used and can cause problems to gameplay.
On several consecutive nights, my regular lance and I have witnessed frankly awe inspiring volleys of lrms that have decimated mechs in seconds. Sometimes, you have to expose your mech to be able to engage the enemy. Trouble is, when you do that and get targetted by 6 lrm mechs.....you physically can't evade the giga volley coming back at you. Now unless you have a LOT of ams or ecm standing next to you-your mech will be ruined after one such volley.

As I have said, many times now....lrms are not the issue in themselves-it's the amount of FOTM boaters using them at this time.
What I do have issue with is people that defend them until death refusing to ignore the issue, spouting "ADAPT!!!!!" like some kind of draconian dictat. People do adapt, they cower a lot more are scared to move a lot more, sacrifice weight to mount ams hoping the other 11 people on thier team have done the same...people like me adapt by using a good counter to the lrm swarms..ECM.
Trouble is, I'm bored of running the same mechs all the time. I'm bored of factoring in lrm trajectory as the MAIN thing everytime I move. I'm bored of nearly every game being a horrific camp fest with whole teams too scared to do anything less the demon eye falls upon you.
Most of all though, I'm bored of seeing people going through frankly amazing displays of logic gymnastics to deny there is a problem currently that is affecting the gameplay. I personally love "don't go into the open then!!!" Sometimes you have to move from cover to cover to get to the enemy, y'know in the case of 270m brawler mechs. Then when you break cover for 5 secs you are locked and swarmed by lrm 200+ and most mechs simply are not fast enough to evade...so to "adapt" to that you have to stay behind cover the entire match sacrificing initiative to the enemy team.
And, to those who say "I'm doing fine" good for you! Just because you can, does not mean the majority can...does it?


People making snarky silly comments at the "whiners" are NOT helping the issue. As long as the FOTM brigade see lrms as easy way to get kills and cbills we will have the lrmswarm issue. And, it Is an issue.

Edited by kamiko kross, 31 March 2014 - 03:47 AM.

[ColonelMetus]

that would be dope if you could use tag to take control of other people even even enemy

[Cimarb]

kamiko kross, on 31 March 2014 - 03:46 AM, said:

As I have said, many times now....lrms are not the issue in themselves-it's the amount of FOTM boaters using them at this time.

So what you are saying is, "teamwork is overpowered, nerf teamwork", correct? If you don't like LRM boaters, learn to assault them quick with a pack of light mechs, followed up with another pack of direct fire weapons - it very quickly becomes a route when you learn to do that.

kamiko kross, on 31 March 2014 - 03:46 AM, said:

What I do have issue with is people that defend them until death refusing to ignore the issue, spouting "ADAPT!!!!!" like some kind of draconian dictat. People do adapt, they cower a lot more are scared to move a lot more, sacrifice weight to mount ams hoping the other 11 people on thier team have done the same...people like me adapt by using a good counter to the lrm swarms..ECM.

Learning how to use cover is the first thing, yes. You have to do this against ANY enemy, so it is kind of odd that you are complaining about having to do this...

Mounting systems designed to help against LRMs is also important. At least there ARE systems to help against LRMs. Do you see any sort of defense against autocannons or PPCs?...