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[FearNotDeath]

Imperius, on 18 December 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

Here ya go get your pop corn

It's not a big deal I hope you are happy with it.

[OpCentar]

Been a while since I played MWO, you can imagine my surprise when I checked the main site today.

I was like hell yes the Clans are here! looks line I'll be grinding those C-Bills very soon ... then I opened the article and things went from awesome to wtf levels fast.


First of all, the 240$ top tier package seems a bit overpriced, actually not a bit but a lot. I was expecting the usual ~120$ range for the top tier for which I would instantly buy it, but 240$ makes me think twice after which I thought best wait a while.

Then I saw the golden boys. That really plssed me off. Are you so low on self-esteem and/or funds that you stoop to asian MMO money grab levels PGI? I'm very disappointed by such a move.


Now, I'm a supporter of the game and a BT fan, thus even while disagreeing with the design direction of the game I bought the top tier Phoenix pack. However doubling that price and adding the golden boys has turned me away maybe even for good.

Bad show PGI.

[GoManGo]

Im sorry but if your all stupid enough to buy virtual products then your stuupid enough to be ripped off.Just ask the queen of virtual ripoff products.

[Nightfire]

Congratulations PGI! I didn't think you were actually capable of it but I am done!
I went in for the Founders program because I desperately wanted a new, good Mechwarrior game.
I was warned by many departing Founders (those that were left) that the Phoenix package was a cash grab but I bought it anyway. I was, in my mind, supporting the product for both of those purchases not buying the virtual mechs you offered.

Now ... now ... you've delivered none of it!
There is no Community Warfare!
There are no lobbies or viable way to control our drops!
Hell, there isn't even a way to drop with more than 4 of my friends in random matches! (Remember when this was the next phase of the Matchmaker, due just a "few weeks"^tm after the Elo matchmaker fix?)
The game is still buggy as hell with the primary premise, the promise between the game and the player, being completely unreliable! That being Hit Registration! You know, I shoot big stompy robots with big explody guns and big stompy robots blow up!

This may well be all coming "soon"^tm but you have finally taken too long! It doesn't matter anymore. You don't deserve my cash anymore, not with this level of performance.
The core game literally has not changed in any positive way since closed beta. There may be more mechs and more maps (and even those are released at the pace of treacle. Remember the promises we were given in Closed Beta?) but we have the same weapons, the same game modes, poor hit registration and a slew of broken promises.

It's over. I'm ending this toxic relationship before you suck more life out of that which I love. I really thought you had promise in closed beta. I wish I could say you had changed since then but the problem is, you haven't really save for the amount you keep draining from my wallet. You even chased off my friends (You know they told me you were just using me for my money? How right they were!) That stops now! Perhaps one day you will change but I'm gone, Elite Dangerous will be available soon and until then I think I'm going to flirt a bit with Battlefield 4 and Warframe. They both know I'm not serious about them but both have been more up front and treated me far better than you have.

Goodbye.

soon^tm, trademark of Activision-Blizzard

Edited by Nightfire, 19 December 2013 - 08:26 AM.

[JAFO]

Nightfire, on 19 December 2013 - 08:25 AM, said:

Congratulations PGI! I didn't think you were actually capable of it but I am done!
I went in for the Founders program because I desperately wanted a new, good Mechwarrior game.
I was warned by many departing Founders (those that were left) that the Phoenix package was a cash grab but I bought it anyway. I was, in my mind, supporting the product for both of those purchases not buying the virtual mechs you offered.

Now ... now ... you've delivered none of it!
There is no Community Warfare!
There are no lobbies or viable way to control our drops!
Hell, there isn't even a way to drop with more than 4 of my friends in random matches! (Remember when this was the next phase of the Matchmaker, due just a "few weeks"^tm after the Elo matchmaker fix?)
The game is still buggy as hell with the primary premise, the promise between the game and the player, being completely unreliable! That being Hit Registration! You know, I shoot big stompy robots with big explody guns and big stompy robots blow up!

This may well be all coming "soon"^tm but you have finally taken too long! It doesn't matter anymore. You don't deserve my cash anymore, not with this level of performance.
The core game literally has not changed in any positive way since closed beta. There may be more mechs and more maps (and even those are released at the pace of treacle. Remember the promises we were given in Closed Beta?) but we have the same weapons, the same game modes, poor hit registration and a slew of broken promises.

It's over. I'm ending this toxic relationship before you suck more life out of that which I love. I really thought you had promise in closed beta. I wish I could say you had changed since then but the problem is, you haven't really save for the amount you keep draining from my wallet. You even chased off my friends (You know they told me you were just using me for my money? How right they were!) That stops now! Perhaps one day you will change but I'm gone, Elite Dangerous will be available soon and until then I think I'm going to flirt a bit with Battlefield 4 and Warframe. They both know I'm not serious about them but both have been more up front and treated me far better than you have.

Goodbye.

soon^tm, trademark of Activision-Blizzard

Sad part about what you say is there are many of us that are about there. I honestly don't know why I am hanging on, maybe it is hope but Russ and Paul have lied so many times I don't trust anything they claim anymore.

[NRP]

While I'm not sure if the morons who threaten to TK a gold mech will actually follow through with it, I would like PGI to chime in on what they plan in doing about it if it does happen.

I would prefer proactive measures, rather than reactive measures, so I won't be satisfied with the "Just report them to support@mwomercs.com" standard response. Some people have suggested giving gold mechs immunity from friendly fire, and I think that sounds like a workable solution. I would like someone from PGI to comment on this issue.

[Nimura Nekogami]

NRP, on 19 December 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:

While I'm not sure if the morons who threaten to TK a gold mech will actually follow through with it, I would like PGI to chime in on what they plan in doing about it if it does happen.

I would prefer proactive measures, rather than reactive measures, so I won't be satisfied with the "Just report them to support@mwomercs.com" standard response. Some people have suggested giving gold mechs immunity from friendly fire, and I think that sounds like a workable solution. I would like someone from PGI to comment on this issue.

lol......

[NRP]

Imperius, on 18 December 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

Here ya go get your pop corn

Bravo sir!

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Why are there people on here chirping about how StarCitizen and Path of Exiles offer packages in the $1000 to $10,000 range? Guess how many $10,000 StarCitizen packages have been sold? One. Get that? One.

You can see how many supporters were funding StarCitizen at the different pledge amounts. Guess what the data shows? At price points between $5 and $125 there were over 30,000 backers. Almost 26,000 of those backers were in the $30 to $110 dollar range. At price points over $125 there were 391 backers. Do the math. Then again, if the fools harping about other games could actually figure this out, they likely wouldn't have mentioned it.

StarCitizen has raised almost $35 million; given the data shown on Kickstarter, that means a lot of people are paying in the $5 to $125 dollar range, which is pretty close to my previous recommendation to make the Masakari pack worth $160 (which also brings the mech prices in line with the Phoenix mechs).

Look at other F2P games; Planetside 2, Path of Exile, Marvel Heroes, Lord of the Rings. These games offer currency and packages from $5 to $200 with items in game costing anywhere from $1 to $200. Go look what is given to people who purchase ships in StarCitizen at the $100+ range. Did the founders of this game receive anything like that?

Spending $240 isn't a big deal to me but what absolutely ****** me off and sticks in my craw is the asinine audacity of PGI to inflate prices 50% over Phoenix mechs because of some fabricated excuse that Clan tech is "better" (regardless of how it's balanced in-game).

Then again, PGI is located in Vancouver and as most of Canada knows, that city is filled with complete douchebags.

Edited by Canadian Attack Beaver, 19 December 2013 - 09:39 AM.

[Asatur]

WTS Golden Mechs 500 USD/piece. You can ride this baby right now unlike in other offers.




PS:

[Whatzituyah]

Asatur, on 19 December 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

WTS Golden Mechs 500 USD/piece. You can ride this baby right now unlike in other offers.




PS:

He got a gold mech early!?!



P.S. Joking

Edited by Whatzituyah, 19 December 2013 - 09:41 AM.

[focuspark]

capt bishop, on 19 December 2013 - 03:50 AM, said:

Lemme tell you a story. I play alot of F2P games. One of the ones I spend the most time playing is World of Tanks. On the China server they sell a Golden Type 59 AKA Type 59 G for about 300 bucks.. Not only it earns more credits it also earns more XP per battle. Do you know what happens if someone brings a T59 G into a battle? They always get Team Killed. Always.

If that happens here the Golden boys will be in a rough time.

The point of gold 'mech isn't to use them it's to own them. Sure you might take them out for fun, but our right the proletariat will kill one on sight out of seer jealousy despite the owner having subsidized their free enjoyment of the game they're currently playing.

Human nature being what it is, it does make me question the sanity of democracy at times...

Naskoni, on 19 December 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

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This being my exact point. Why - why would you TK a guy in a gold 'mech? Because he supported a game he loves? Because he paid for you? Because he can afford it and you cannot? Help me here, because really don't understand this mentality and I'm losing faith in humanity (not just because you want to shoot a gold 'mech in a fantasy video game about giant stompy robots).

Edited by miSs, 31 December 2013 - 09:30 PM.

[Naskoni]

focuspark, on 19 December 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

The point of gold 'mech isn't to use them it's to own them. Sure you might take them out for fun, but our right the proletariat will kill one on sight out of seer jealousy despite the owner having subsidized the further ruination of the game they're currently playing.

Human nature being what it is, it does make me question the sanity of democracy at times...

There, I fixed that for you. No need to thank me, really.

focuspark, on 19 December 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

This being my exact point. Why - why would you TK a guy in a gold 'mech? Because he supported a game he loves? Because he paid for you? Because he can afford it and you cannot? Help me here, because really don't understand this mentality and I'm losing faith in humanity (not just because you want to shoot a gold 'mech in a fantasy video game about giant stompy robots).

Because the more cash these clowns receive, the longer this circus will continue and I'm of the opinion that better a horrible end than horror without end. I root for them to financially fail and the sooner that happens the better. There is no cure for this disease so I'd rather have the patient die a fast, rather than a slow death. This way somebody else can give it a try and make a Mechwarrior game - its pretty obvious these monkeys never will. Every day this company has anything to do with this game is a day too much.

Edited by Naskoni, 19 December 2013 - 10:04 AM.

[focuspark]

Naskoni, on 19 December 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

There, I fixed that for you. No need to thank me, really.

Yeah don't misquote me, that's not a nice thing - and exactly how does funding a company ruin a game? The failures of MWO started long before US$500 'mechs were available.

[RG Notch]

focuspark, on 19 December 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

Yeah don't misquote me, that's not a nice thing - and exactly how does funding a company ruin a game? The failures of MWO started long before US$500 'mechs were available.

And buying $500 mechs will subsidize the people who are responsible for those failures and allow them to believe that they are doing things right. I don't condone TKing gold anchors I mean mechs, but I also don't believe buying them sends any other message than that there are saps in the community who will pay lots of money on empty promises. CW is always 6 months away from a cash grab and people keep falling for it.
If people want to wait for actual progress and then reward PGI for it that's another issue entirely. Buying them now sends the message people will pay loads for empty promises, again.

Edited by RG Notch, 19 December 2013 - 10:08 AM.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

focuspark, on 19 December 2013 - 09:57 AM, said:

Yeah don't misquote me, that's not a nice thing - and exactly how does funding a company ruin a game? The failures of MWO started long before US$500 'mechs were available.

Are you seriously unable to figure this out? Funding a company who isn't living up to their promises is communicating that the company doesn't need to live up to their promises to continue receiving support. It's demonstrating that your loyalty to MWO or Battletech and/or the hope of promises being kept provides the same value as the actual promises being delivered.

[focuspark]

RG Notch, on 19 December 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

And buying $500 mechs will subsidize the people who are responsible for those failures and allow them to believe that they are doing things right. I don't condone TKing gold anchors I mean mechs, but I also don't believe buying them sends any other message than that there are saps in the community who will pay lots of money on empty promises. CW is always 6 months away from a cash grab and people keep falling for it.
If people want to wait for actual progress and then reward PGI for it that's another issue entirely. Buying them now sends the message people will pay loads for empty promises, again.

Under the assumption they survive long enough to fix it. Depending on how you look at it: fund now to hope for the best, starve them and hope for survival. Neither option look great to me. As previously stated, I personally would not purchase a gold 'mech from MWO because they game isn't that compelling - but for those it is, I don't understand this unyielding need to punish them for subsidizing the game you're playing. It's a rather childish view on life - and I realized you've already stated you have no plans to TK gold 'mechs; so the last part isn't directed at you.

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

focuspark, on 19 December 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Under the assumption they survive long enough to fix it. Depending on how you look at it: fund now to hope for the best, starve them and hope for survival. Neither option look great to me. As previously stated, I personally would not purchase a gold 'mech from MWO because they game isn't that compelling - but for those it is, I don't understand this unyielding need to punish them for subsidizing the game you're playing. It's a rather childish view on life - and I realized you've already stated you have no plans to TK gold 'mechs; so the last part isn't directed at you.

Fund now to hope for the best.... right. It's a good thing people like you don't work in the investment markets. The real world is; fund when a clear plan is in place to deliver what has been promised. As companies deliver on their promises, they build goodwill with customers that will grant them credibility when they make promises. Your perspective is ridiculously naive.

I likely won't TK gold mechs either, as I like to win matches. I will however laugh and ridicule the idiots I see piloting one.

[REDACTED]

Edited by Destined, 19 December 2013 - 12:20 PM.
no personal information please.

[Ensaine]

focuspark, on 19 December 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Under the assumption they survive long enough to fix it. Depending on how you look at it: fund now to hope for the best, starve them and hope for survival. Neither option look great to me. As previously stated, I personally would not purchase a gold 'mech from MWO because they game isn't that compelling - but for those it is, I don't understand this unyielding need to punish them for subsidizing the game you're playing. It's a rather childish view on life - and I realized you've already stated you have no plans to TK gold 'mechs; so the last part isn't directed at you.

You are obviously young, or very inexperienced at life, and I'm not trying to be mean.

You're kind of late to the show vs. most of us. How to explain that sending these guys money is telling them YEP, everything is great. All bunnies and Ice Cream.

WE have heard all that {Scrap} before, and multiple times, and PGI swings and misses. Being late to the show, you haven't lived this enough yet.

How do you like the fact you bought your Phoenix Pack with PGI knowing they may be completely shutdown by 'mid 2015' yet didn't disclose this little tidbit? Would you have still bought it?

I'm sure quite a few would have. I would NOT have bought my Founder's, that is a sure thing, knowing they only had 2.5 years on the license.

So, their withholding that information, yet, taking your money, is ok with you? You're all good to go with that?

Not to mention this is Timeline #6, which overwrites Timeline 1-5. Hey, a miss here and there is acceptable.

The damn game isn't here yet. We have an online shopping cart, with a Mechwarrior sticker on it.

If dropping into a match, win or lose, and lather rinse repeat a thousand times is acceptable for you? Great.

To many of us, it sucks. It's boring. No personal progress, no sense of accomplishment.

Maybe this is too deep for you.

[RG Notch]

focuspark, on 19 December 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

Under the assumption they survive long enough to fix it. Depending on how you look at it: fund now to hope for the best, starve them and hope for survival. Neither option look great to me. As previously stated, I personally would not purchase a gold 'mech from MWO because they game isn't that compelling - but for those it is, I don't understand this unyielding need to punish them for subsidizing the game you're playing. It's a rather childish view on life - and I realized you've already stated you have no plans to TK gold 'mechs; so the last part isn't directed at you.

I don't get the whole craziness about the prices at all. If I was satisfied with their work I'd probably pick one up. But I've given up on funding and hoping. I do think the packaging is a by product of poor development though. They clearly aren't interested in making all weight classes viable when they can sell heavier mechs for more MC in packs and as heroes. But that again goes to bad development.
I'm for starving them in both cash and content, playing just feeds their belief that people complain on the forums but still play. Either they smarten up and switch resources from cash grubbing to actual development and earn the cash by actually hitting deadlines or they flop, lose the license and some one else takes it up with lessons learned.
The only lessons PGI seems to learn are people will buy these packs for the big mechs and will pay for the extra even if they don't like them and that people will pay based on the same 6 month promise they made before. If people keep reinforcing that lesson why should they change?