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[zinetwin]

Tschekal, on 13 December 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

What is the number of limitited quantity gold mechs ?

As many suckers that will buy it before they're never delivered.

Edit:
Holy {Scrap}, 368 pages... I only saw the first 13... I blame the crappy TWC internet. Man that makes that a real necro post then...

Edited by zinetwin, 14 January 2014 - 04:39 PM.

[RainbowC22]

zinetwin, on 14 January 2014 - 04:33 PM, said:

As many suckers that will buy it before they're never delivered.

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Destined, on 14 January 2014 - 04:09 PM, said:

You hit the nail on the head bud! I have no power here.

While you have no power to CHANGE things, could you at least find things out for us? They SAY they are releasing UI 2.0 in February, yes? But can you find out for us if it actually WILL be near complete at that time? or if it's just a broken promise, once again....

Edited by miSs, 14 January 2014 - 09:35 PM.

[Tekadept]

Destined, on 14 January 2014 - 03:47 PM, said:

Ah well, let's see here. *Rolls up sleeves*

The word censorship gets thrown around here a lot, but it's rarely a case of that. (I say rarely because I do not see every single bit of drama... just 90ish% of it. I can't speak for every case. Also that's not a real number.) I believe the Angry Joe threads were removed due to language in the video, and then the re-posting of the thread in response to the removal due to language. There's a lot of redundancy here, as you can see.

Anyway, if you have any concerns about moderation, ask one of the staff mods or submit a support ticket and it will be investigated. Our job isn't to censor you- our job is to uphold the Code of Conduct and ensure that the forums are a reasonably pleasant experience for players... and that's difficult sometimes with threadnaughts like this one. Especially since so many players take moderation actions personally, and then decide to "punish" us... which piles up more and more, and then eventually it just becomes shoveling papers into a furnace instead of actually interacting with the community. We love talking to you guys- but no one likes being screamed at.

So to address one more thing that I'd like to make very clear- PGI and IGP are two separate companies. While we do work together, there are tasks that are specific to each company:

IGP:
Community Moderation
Marketing

PGI:
Development

While that is a very small, specific-to-this-conversation list, it does tell something! PGI is not silencing you- it is actions taken by IGP employees. That is not to say that IGP are the bad guys either... it's just, well, our job to keep the forums adhering to the CoC.

On the other hand, IGP is not the Developer. We, as moderators, have nothing to do with the development process or the making of the game... when contests or sales are created, it's not someone that is "focusing on something other than community warfare!" It's a collaboration of Marketing and the Community Moderators doing what we do.

Well I rambled for a bit. I hope that clears it up a bit. To be cliche, your feedback is important to us... just please, stop tossing the rotten vegetables at the same time you know?

You really should put this post up somewhere really visible rather then having it hidden away in this thread for any new forumites to see

[Jack Gallows]

I feel the price per pack isn't as good a deal as the others, however, they're also packing better tech overall since all the 'mechs will have upgraded systems all around. Al la carte was nice...but it's absolutely worthless unless you buy six 'mechs. So you're stuck paying huge prices either way (assuming you feel you would like to pay for these 'mechs beforehand.)

It's understandable that you don't have to spend your money and can wait until after they are released to buy with C-bills. That said, I think there's an issue for a lot of people with the fact that all options we see are generally considered (from what I've noticed, so this is how I see it and may not be universally shared,) overpriced to begin with while not having multiple features that most feel should have either been in game or a lot closer then they've been said to be. It's hard to invest in a project any further (or at all, for those who have not,) when you feel you aren't really getting your values worth for what you spend. I'm still sitting on over 90+ days of premium time because I can't bring myself to turn it on if I every do want to play...which is pretty much never.

That's an overall lay out of my issues with this game, leaving out the in depth analysis on PGI itself. To make the Clan à la carte more lucrative to those still playing, my suggestions would be to maybe up what they get per like 2 'mechs purchased? Give them 2 medals at 4 'mechs and maybe bump the Premium time to 90 days at 5 or 6?

[RainbowC22]

Jack Gallows, on 15 January 2014 - 11:16 AM, said:

I feel the price per pack isn't as good a deal as the others, however, they're also packing better tech overall since all the 'mechs will have upgraded systems all around.

No... they won't... there is no good value at all!

What the Phoenix Pack at... 12 Mechs, 4 medals, 90 days of Premium, In game badge, forum badge and forum title, and 4 of those 12 mechs would get 30% more c-bills, 10% loyalty bonus, and unique camo and colors. All for $80!

And what does the Clan Pack have? The closes to it in price is Thor for $90, $10 more. What does that get you? 9 Mechs and 30 days of Premium...

That's it...

So... Comparing the two.... Looks like GREAT Value! Right?!

Oh, and PS. They are NOT packing better Tech, since they WILL be balanced with the IS mechs. There will be NO difference, other than they are more restricted in some ways, and maybe more freedom in others.

Edited by RainbowC22, 15 January 2014 - 05:36 PM.

[Lindonius]

RainbowC22, on 15 January 2014 - 05:35 PM, said:

No... they won't... there is no good value at all!

What the Phoenix Pack at... 12 Mechs, 4 medals, 90 days of Premium, In game badge, forum badge and forum title, and 4 of those 12 mechs would get 30% more c-bills, 10% loyalty bonus, and unique camo and colors. All for $80!

And what does the Clan Pack have? The closes to it in price is Thor for $90, $10 more. What does that get you? 9 Mechs and 30 days of Premium...

That's it...

So... Comparing the two.... Looks like GREAT Value! Right?!

Oh, and PS. They are NOT packing better Tech, since they WILL be balanced with the IS mechs. There will be NO difference, other than they are more restricted in some ways, and maybe more freedom in others.

And they WILL be dropping together in the SAME teams. Cats and Dogs living together! Absolute Anarchy!

[Canadian Attack Beaver]

Jack Gallows, on 15 January 2014 - 11:16 AM, said:

I feel the price per pack isn't as good a deal as the others, however, they're also packing better tech overall since all the 'mechs will have upgraded systems all around.

I agree with all of your post with the exception of this.

The Phoenix and Sabre packages priced all the mechs the same in their respective packages; Sabre were $5 a mech, Phoenix $6.67. Regardless of tonnage, engine and components these prices did not fluctuate. There were XL engines and DSH included in these mechs. I addressed this in the analysis I link to in my signature. If Clan mech prices are being determined by their C-bill cost, then the heavier mechs would cost more than the lighter mechs.

C-bill cost has not been used as a justification for higher cash cost in the previous mech packages. Higher C-bill costs = higher cash cost has only been used when mechs are sold invividually. To try and use this excuse now for the Clan packages reeks of desperation.

There are two issues in front of PGI; Clan prices and undelivered content. There isn't much they can do about content over the short term, but they could come up with a solution to the frustration over these prices. And by solution, I don't mean a mocking "U mad bro?" slogan on the "Red with Envy" mech sale; whoever came up with this is a fool.

[Victor Morson]

I asked a similar question in another thread, but I figure it's worth bringing up here too.

Why should we believe The Plan, or anything else, when we can't believe Russ's personal twitter even? I'm not even talking about that whole "DX11 after we get back, one test pass to go!" -> "Due in three months" thing, I mean stuff like this:



There's not even a CM anymore and I sure haven't seen even one tiny bit of community improvement. It's these kinds of claims (without grounding) that make us unlikely to trust even well intentioned information releases, because it feels like they are empty promises nearly 100% of the time.

It truly is better to say nothing, than to say things that simply are not true, in terms of reputation.

Edited by Victor Morson, 16 January 2014 - 12:18 PM.

[RG Notch]

Victor Morson, on 16 January 2014 - 12:17 PM, said:

I asked a similar question in another thread, but I figure it's worth bringing up here too.

Why should we believe The Plan, or anything else, when we can't believe Russ's personal twitter even? I'm not even talking about that whole "DX11 after we get back, one test pass to go!" -> "Due in three months" thing, I mean stuff like this:



There's not even a CM anymore and I sure haven't seen even one tiny bit of community improvement. It's these kinds of claims (without grounding) that make us unlikely to trust even well intentioned information releases, because it feels like they are empty promises nearly 100% of the time.

It truly is better to say nothing, than to say things that simply are not true, in terms of reputation.

Doubling nothing is nothing, so it's not entirely untrue. Besides, doubling down was just their position at the time.

[Zolaz]

Your expectations of PGI and its employees is just way too high. Realistically, if they arent humping the football or running the opposite direction during the Special Olympics, PGI should just go ahead and call it a win.

[RainbowC22]

Zolaz, on 16 January 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Your expectations of PGI and its employees is just way too high. Realistically, if they arent humping the football or running the opposite direction during the Special Olympics, PGI should just go ahead and call it a win.

I... what the hell does this even mean? I guess you're trying to say At least they are giving us Mechs and there for we should forgive them and give them all our money? *scratches head* That's all I can get out of this. As for Expectations.... We funded the game on promises they made. Then the game was released with none of those promises being full filled. That is not High Expectations. That is them flat out lying to us, not giving us what we paid for, and as we have seen when they wasted an entire year doing nothing, They do NOT care at all about this game, the franchise the game is based on, or even the community.

They build an alpha ready 8v8, upgraded to 12v12 by changing number of players allowed in the server (So complicated and hard to do. Just ask anyone who has hosted a server for any other FPS game *facepalm*).... and then did NOTHING else, and have done NOTHING else since! Heck, checking the update patches we have been getting lately, they can't even get Hit Boxes right! The game is out, complete, finished, done, and Hit Boxes aren't even ready?!

This is NOT the game people funded, wanted, or prayed for. Heck, I am watching Let's Plays of Mechwarrior 4 Vengeance, and THAT game looks more fun, interesting, and the mechbay in that game is actually BETTER and easier than what we have to work with here! Lets not forget it has many more mechs, weapons, a singleplayer mode, story, lore, and you can even rip defeated mechs apart and take their weapons or even the entire mechs for your own!

Mechwarrior 4, made in 2002, 12 years old, and it is BETTER than MWO, still not done being made yet, 12v12 only.

All of this just drives in the point... Why pay $240 for some stupid mechs, when I can probably spend $5 or $10 and just buy all the old Mechwarrior games instead and get MORE value AND fun out of it?

Edited by RainbowC22, 16 January 2014 - 04:31 PM.

[Uncle Totty]

Zolaz, on 16 January 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Your expectations of PGI and its employees is just way too high. Realistically, if they arent humping the football or running the opposite direction during the Special Olympics, PGI should just go ahead and call it a win.

Sorry for expecting the people of PGI to be delivering what they have been promising to bring us.

Edited by Nathan K, 16 January 2014 - 04:27 PM.

[zinetwin]

Zolaz, on 16 January 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Your expectations of PGI and its employees is just way too high. Realistically, if they arent humping the football or running the opposite direction during the Special Olympics, PGI should just go ahead and call it a win.

RainbowC22, on 16 January 2014 - 04:15 PM, said:

I... what the hell does this even mean?

It means comedy gold right there. I would also interpret it to mean that he is suggesting that they have cognitive development issues so if they can function at all they should feel accomplished. Basically it's the best they can do and they tried so good job. I could be way off base there but that's what I got from it.

Edited by zinetwin, 16 January 2014 - 04:26 PM.

[M0rpHeu5]

If you charge 500$ for a mech at least give it 100% CB bonus and 100% XP Bonus

[RainbowC22]

M0rpHeu5, on 16 January 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

If you charge 500$ for a mech at least give it 100% CB bonus and 100% XP Bonus

Still wouldn't be worth the grind, especially with the new leveling system they wanted to do. Should be 1000%, then it might actually be worth it.

Edited by RainbowC22, 16 January 2014 - 11:54 PM.

[Col Jaime Wolf]

Blackfire1, on 13 December 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

>.<

******** it. There ARE Variants of "Omni-mech"

The ****.

actually as much as i dont want to admit it... pgi did get it right, there are varients of clan mechs because they are the opposite of IS mechs, they have any weapons they want but everything else is locked in in TT.

[Nekki Basara]

Mellifluer, on 17 January 2014 - 06:22 AM, said:

actually as much as i dont want to admit it... pgi did get it right, there are varients of clan mechs because they are the opposite of IS mechs, they have any weapons they want but everything else is locked in in TT.

Except that in TT the IS mechs are even MORE locked than that. The customisation we have would require a trip to the factory and a multi-week fitting job just to make a default mech usable.

[p8ragon]

M0rpHeu5, on 16 January 2014 - 10:08 PM, said:

If you charge 500$ for a mech at least give it 100% CB bonus and 100% XP Bonus

Or at the very least unlock every single color and pattern for that particular chassis.

[JTAlweezy]

Clan tech preorder, get your paid rip off for only, half a weeks pay. not!. Cut that price in half and its fair.

[Leprosyvirus]

Ugh are we going to be able to buy clanmechs with cbills or not? It's clear as day that PGI doesn't give a damn at all about there playerbase. It's as if this game is designed for "yacht club members" only now.