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[IceFyre]

Aye, lads & lasses the cost is... well somewhat beyond steep, insane even. But is this madness or possibly actually genius? If PGI sets the initial price points for clan mechs this high then obviously a there won't be a landslide of players suddenly heeding the call of Kerensky. Which should serve to keep things somewhat in balance. I'm sure there will be quite a few folks who do dig deep and pony up to live out their clanner fantasies. And this will be a splendid source of revenue for PGI (which can & should use a goodly portion of it to hire additional skilled devs - Are You Listening PGI?) Why should I dislike the fact that clanners can subsidize my favorite alternate reality by paying (handsomely) for the privilege of piloting a golden clan OmniMech?

On the other hand, over monetization of MWO will kill as surely as a few well placed AC/20 rounds. Remember your bread & butter players, PGI.

Fortunately for all of my love of Battletech and appreciation of clan tactics I too made the decision a long time back to play as Inner Sphere.

Edited by IceFyre, 15 December 2013 - 05:20 PM.

[Twist451]

Pretty ridiculous. Such a cash grab for PGI. So many things aren't even implemented into the game yet and they are already releasing $240 packages?

[dangerzone]

ExplodedZombie, on 14 December 2013 - 09:13 AM, said:

I am(not really) surprised at people complaining. The price is in line with Phoenix based on how many mechs you get. They will be available for C-Bills so if you can't afford it, don't complain. The $500 Gold Mech? You don't need it. Go look up any Kickstarter and you will see tiers that cost $1,000 or more. These tiers are for the "most loyal" of fans or those who really want to keep the project going. If you really love MWO and you really want to support it, buy a Gold mech. No big deal.

This. 1000 times over.

[Joker Two]

Lots of people have talked about being able to choose which 'Mechs you buy. I'd definitely like this too, but remember that each level doesn't just get you another 'Mech, it also gets you that 'Mech EARLIER than it would normally be released, if they follow the Phoenix pattern.

[B3RT]

evil2, on 14 December 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

Pricing issues aside (and there are issues!) - PGI, could you have made this any more anti-climactic?

The lore gives you THE ULTIMATE OPPORTUNITY to create a bit of atmosphere and what do you make of it? Pre-orders without anything else. You have a long way to go. Here are a few ideas what you could have done:

Bits and pieces of (possibly conflicting) information, news reports, after action reports from worlds on the periphery in the form of tweets, youtube videos, news items on your webpage

Devs in Clan Mechs in random matches that just stand on a rock somewhere or walk around the map at the end of the match when noone can shoot them, but see them?

Anything that comes even close to something that actually makes people interested in what's happening would be an improvement and take away the constant "they are just after our money"-theme that is currently going on.

I was actually just discussing this very thing with my friend yesterday. The big problem is that in order to do something like that effectively, we would need some sort of persistent, meaningful, goal oriented campaign structure (CW) to really make that strategy work, so that it could be more of an awesome surprise and not just a bunch of confused hate on the forums.

My guess is that a lot of the anger being expressed about the clans reveal and its lazy implementation, is really about just that. It is been built up over the course of the entire game over all the little issues that are snowballing into one big one.

I also believe that most of this could be solved on their end with a better structure of communication and transparency. At this point PGI has lost trust with many folks and if they want that back, they should work on saying what they are going to do first, then doing it. I'm okay with delays, RL happens. But, when you schedule a date with a nice girl, and then your mom gets in a car accident, you call her to let her know, not leave her hanging in the breeze.

You don't say, we'll be there soon... and then out of the blue release a pricing scheme on something completely different that shouldn't be implemented until after we get to "soon..."

But, I digress. Your idea is sound, and I like it

[Commander Kobold]

10$ a mech isn't even that expensive, you pay that about that much per mech when you use MC and you get the premium time and mech bays (mos of which you can re use)

[Corralis]

Joker Two, on 15 December 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

Lots of people have talked about being able to choose which 'Mechs you buy. I'd definitely like this too, but remember that each level doesn't just get you another 'Mech, it also gets you that 'Mech EARLIER than it would normally be released, if they follow the Phoenix pattern.

Yea exactly this and if they release these mech's in the same pattern as they did with the Phoenix package (1 new mech per month) then potentially we wouldn't see the Timber Wolf for C-bill sale until early 2015.

[Rufus Ingram]

I personally am bummed at the price point to get a Ryoken in a package given that I don't want something much heavier. The per mech cost is okay, there are just so many mechs the total cost was a bit of a visual shock at first. My wife would laugh herself to tears if I said I wanted to spend $240 on anything in a videogame, but of course, I'm not the target of the marketing so my opinion doesn't actually matter, which I'm okay with. All that to say...

What I love is that the gold mechs are so...golden. If it is that bright in the game it will be a giant bullseye for the other team. Simplifies focus fire.

[ToxicValor]

It clearly shows the only one working (apparently harder and more so than any other PGI employee) is Alex Iglasias. Re-designing a mech to keep the feeling and image but having it modern is no easy task and Alex pumped out all these clan mechs. I appreciate your work, Alex. You are probably working too hard with too low of pay with your talents. You deserve a better company to work for. (From a customer POV).
Alex's work has been the only thing consistently new and fresh with this game.

[Captain Wolfsburg]

I'm going to come right out and say that anyone who buys any of these clan packages before UI 2.0 or CW have been implemented is a fool.

Many people have pointed out why this is a suspicious promotion-

-Too soon after Project Phoenix
-Very little information on how the mechs work and will be balanced
-VARIANTS!? (they're omnimechs!)
-Well before anything has been seen of UI 2.0 or CW
-Prices are way too steep, even for a promotional
-$500 gold mechs? Are you F-ing serious?

Now, that being said, it would be much less foolish to wait until we at least see UI 2.0, and even less so if we waited until CW. I've already resolved to not spend another dime on this game until I see some real, solid features that will enhance my experience with the game. All these flashy new hanger trophies are just insults to our intelligence. It just saddens and troubles me people are ignorant enough to jump up waving their wallets every time something like this is released.

Anyway, feel free to disagree. It's just an opinion.

[Phantom360]

Gonna get the masikari package for $240 but gonna have to get past Christmas first and save up for 19 to 21 weeks if possible will have to get a part time job if th offer ends before 19 weeks please PGI keep this pre-order up for a long while

[Corralis]

Phantom360, on 15 December 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

Gonna get the masikari package for $240 but gonna have to get past Christmas first and save up for 19 to 21 weeks if possible will have to get a part time job if th offer ends before 19 weeks please PGI keep this pre-order up for a long while

Yea my feeling exactly, no point in this being a Christmas present as we won't see it for another 6 months but I'm glad they announced it so I know I need to save up for it. I am gonna buy the $240 package, I'm just gonna have to wait until maybe February before I can afford it.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Corralis, on 15 December 2013 - 08:49 AM, said:

I'm not quite sure how to respond to this. You say people were surprised that they announced Clan mech's this way? OK maybe I can understand the timing not being that good so soon after Project Phoenix but as I said in my original post, I think that's better because it gives people more time to save up and buy it eventually 3, 4 or even 5 months down the line.

You say you could have lifetime subs to games or bought many other games for the price and yes I get that as well but you have no Founder's tag, nor do you have a Project Phoenix tag so to me you appear to be another one of these entitled players who believe that a free to play game should be 100% free and that's just wrong. Also I don't get your last point, saying I have issues and calling me a White Knight for doing what? Trying to calm people down, to reassure the masses that this isn't as bad as people think? I don't get it.

Oh and I'm definitely not a supporter of PGI, they have done many things badly and their lack of communication with the community is one of the things that I dislike the most but I don't think this announcement is a bad idea and I have highlighted my reasons for say such.

Entitled? I have bought hero mechs & premium time with my hard earned money. I have no Founders tag because at the time, the game was in closed beta & I was not going to spend money on an UNFINISHED game. How do the Founders feel now? Pissed off at the release of the Phoenix Pack which btw also felt the direct effect of the 3PV debacle where people who spent their hard earned felt cheated & a mass refund occurred. I have bought MANY games in the past & by that I mean complete titles, boxed & ready to go. Why would I pay the developers to develop the game beforehand? I never asked for MWO. I wanted MW5. A game with a single player campaign that had multiplayer capabilities as PREVIOUS titles had. All I wanted was updated graphics.

I still bought hero mechs & premium time (at increased prices due to the exchange rate in my country, mind you) so they have my money but I am not going to gush funds for a project I did not want in the first place, to developers who have blatantly lied to the community in the past on multiple occasions & do not even have the good graces to apologize when they get caught lying red handed & who continually seem to be hell bent on ruining the franchise; where is dx11? what about the ghost heat? where is the balance? cw? we know ui2.0 is coming soon but they admitted it will be buggy. why not fix it first then release it instead of adding further to our frustrations? how about fixing the lrms & srms? where are the separate queues for 1pv & 3pv? or at the very least a FFP option that PREVIOUS titles had? oh wait you would need the ability to make your own matches to do that wouldn't you.....................

Now maybe I am forgetful in my old age, but was this game not advertised as FREE TO PLAY to begin with? So what IF I had never spent ANY money before? Should I still have issues with the changes in the game? If your answer is no then you have issues.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 15 December 2013 - 10:23 AM.

[Moohlord]

Everything is said. Those who buy this garbage should consider that: PGI needs money so bad and i would not be surprised if the game goes down before June.
Everything we get since the beginning is new maps and new mechs. It is a shame if you consider what was promised to the founders who already gave the DEVS a good startup and what is in the FINAL, RELEASED version of the game.

[Phantom360]

Ed Steele.
No one ive herd of have said mercs can't pilot clan machines

[Captain Wolfsburg]

Moohlord, on 15 December 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

Everything is said. Those who buy this garbage should consider that: PGI needs money so bad and i would not be surprised if the game goes down before June.
Everything we get since the beginning is new maps and new mechs. It is a shame if you consider what was promised to the founders who already gave the DEVS a good startup and what is in the FINAL, RELEASED version of the game.

That's another point I forgot to make in my post. This is a game that has been announced as a full release when the DEFINING FEATURES of the game have not been implemented. How is it that so many people are just blindly throwing money at cash grabs like this when we've been lied too so many times.

I may sound like a cynical jerk-wad, but honestly, I want this game to succeed, almost as much as I want star-citizen (I dropped $120 on that game as well). I'm not doom-saying MWO like a lot of other people are. I'm just saying, we as a community, who hold the power of the all-mighty dollar, need to put our foot down and with-hold our spending until we see the features that were promised and should be a part of this FULLY RELEASED game!

[BLOOD WOLF]

XX Sulla XX, on 13 December 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

Not sure why any one would be mad. You can choose to get any of these mechs you want without paying a penny. You will just have to wait a little longer. Or if you want to pay cash but are not sure about the game you have MONTHS to wait and see how it is going before you buy. Either way no one is forcing you into doing anything so stop crying

I think when you talk about the not spending money part, people just ignore it and whine anyway

Edited by BLOOD WOLF, 15 December 2013 - 10:43 AM.

[Tristan Lorius]

BLOOD WOLF, on 15 December 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

I think when you talk about the not spending money part, people just ignore it and whine anyway

its true, if PGI fixed the entire game like that *snap* then everyone would complain just as much

[NocturnalBeast]

The anger over the Clan Collections is pointless and childish. Russ stated on his personal Twitter account that all of these Clan mechs will be available for C bills after a while, you only have to pay real money for them if you want them early. Also, whining that making the Clan mechs is delaying UI 2.0, or CW is ridiculous, since it is not the same people working on mechs. I think when many of you were growing up and you wanted something that you could not afford / were not allowed to have, you whined and cried and threw tantrums until you parents / grandparents / whatever, got it for you anyway.

[Rasako]

Ed Steele, on 15 December 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

The anger over the Clan Collections is pointless and childish. Russ stated on his personal Twitter account that all of these Clan mechs will be available for C bills after a while, you only have to pay real money for them if you want them early. Also, whining that making the Clan mechs is delaying UI 2.0, or CW is ridiculous, since it is not the same people working on mechs. I think when many of you were growing up and you wanted something that you could not afford / were not allowed to have, you whined and cried and threw tantrums until you parents / grandparents / whatever, got it for you anyway.

it's also important to point out that PGI has mentioned at LEAST 10 times that they were not going to make the clan mechs stupidly overpowered like in every single mechwarrior title before it, which most likely explains why they're doing variants for them instead of giving them their all-powerful omnimech capabilities that would instantly make every single IS mech in the game obsolete.

Edited by Rasako, 15 December 2013 - 10:56 AM.