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[Silent Hunter]

I'd like to make a post here that isn't all about the hate...

Like several people here I have been in awe of the Battletech/Mechwarrior universe for about 20+ years and still love it.

Firstly concerning the future of PGI/IGP and the MWO franchise. Do any of you work for PGI/IGP? Do any of you sit at any of their meetings where they decide what's going on for the next year/2years/5years? Do any of you work for a company that has developed and run a F2P game that is still going after its' first year? If the answer to the above questions is no then I suggest you stop trying to tell everyone what they are up to as, as customers, WE have no idea beyond what we are told in posts here on the forums. The developers are doing something that only a very few have done in the past, they have made a game that we all come back to week after week because we enjoy it. We come back to fight the new opponents and see what new developments are on the battlefield. We come back because we are Mechwarriors in our living room! I personally LOVE that feeling!

I also was a little shocked at the 'Khan' package price, however I was one of those that did a quick calculation and thought 'no, not YET'. Christmas is just around the corner and our car needs repairs. That is priority one. Next year however I will look at saving some cash and probably buying the top package of Clan Mechs first, then I'll start dreaming of buying the Khan package and having a game where it is 12 Khans vs the Universe! That is one Youtube vid I would like to see!

Yes like many people I am eagerly awaiting CW, UI 2.0 etc. but having played a few MMO's now I'm seeing a pattern where on release not everything is ready to go right out of the box. Some developments are buggy/not working and in one instance they have taken 3 months to NOT fix something that is breaking the game for me and not making a part of it playable for me. The MWO development team is still working on a few things and the patches come, and they fix the things that are broken! This from a company that doesn't have a few billion to throw around and a team that isn't in their hundreds. IMO they are doing just fine! Take a look at other MMO's out there and you'll notice the big ones are the ones that have been around for longer and now have more than 1 team working on everything. Thing is though, these to started small and now they are world leaders. MWO is competing with them! Think about that!

Back to the original question and my thoughts on the 'Clan Package'.
I like the fact that the Clan Mechs are coming! I'm looking forward to having that moral dilemma of staying as an Inner Sphere Merc or going full Clan. Personally, I think that what they should have considered doing was having 2 parts to each account, 1 Clan and 1 IS. Each with their own pilot skills and mech bays. I would like my pilot to be a character that if he/she doesn't make it to the end of the battle, has injuries etc that need time out to heal. I would like to have several pilots on my roster that I have the option of taking out on the field. This way I could configure each pilot as much as I configure my mechs. Clan pilots would of course take less time to heal

The last word on this is: Like the package, waiting to hear more about it!

Edited by Silent Hunter, 15 December 2013 - 10:58 AM.

[Thorn Hallis]

Moohlord, on 15 December 2013 - 10:23 AM, said:

Everything is said. Those who buy this garbage should consider that: PGI needs money so bad and i would not be surprised if the game goes down before June.

Ehm...if they would desperatly need money, why would they invest time AND money into making such a package while they could just throw out existing content for lowered prices (i.e. special sales). Your consideration makes no sense.

[Captain Wolfsburg]

Ed Steele, on 15 December 2013 - 10:54 AM, said:

The anger over the Clan Collections is pointless and childish. Russ stated on his personal Twitter account that all of these Clan mechs will be available for C bills after a while, you only have to pay real money for them if you want them early. Also, whining that making the Clan mechs is delaying UI 2.0, or CW is ridiculous, since it is not the same people working on mechs. I think when many of you were growing up and you wanted something that you could not afford / were not allowed to have, you whined and cried and threw tantrums until you parents / grandparents / whatever, got it for you anyway.

The point isn't whether or not we'll be able to get them. The point is that this is another cash grab, before we have any of the defining features that will make this the game that it should be. I understand full well that these mechs will be available for c-bill purchase. What I'm saying is, I'd actually be willing to buy these packages if the things that will make this the game I want are implemented.

Of course, I could wait, and buy the packages when/if those things are in, which is what I think anyone who is interested in these should do. Otherwise, this is just another blind, foolish investment.

[Karazine]

WaKK0, on 13 December 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

As much as I've loved this game, its dead to me now. I'm sorry but PGI just doesn't get micro transactions; who the hell do they think the gamers are? You're wanting us to pay $240 for the max package and $500 for each gold skinned hero like mech variants (because their too lazy to make real hero mechs)...

Ya know, Phoenix pack I could almost justify because I knew you guys had screwed yourselves over in cost and were drying up; that's why you keep focusing on selling {Scrap} instead of fixing this game.

However, this insanity of pricing needs to stop now. You've taken the supposed "Free to Play" aspect of this game and turned it into "Pay into prestige (not to win, cause bad pilots are still bad pilots regardless of mech)" with astronomical figures. From the start, PGI has over priced their "mods" trying to make a living off of this {Scrap}. No more. Think its time to retire and find a cheaper hobby... like golf.

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[Tannhauser Gate]

Im not angry. Im just going to wait for CW, UI2.0, and mor content.

[sabujo]

BLOOD WOLF, on 15 December 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

I think when you talk about the not spending money part, people just ignore it and whine anyway

As I (and several others) have stated before, the problem resides in the direction things are headed, specially the whole business model and the priority management. If we had most of the basic features of a MMO game, people wouldn't whine at this scale. If they were happy teaming up with their friends in an ongoing thrilling dispute with a rival adversary, they would happily invest a bit more in the game.

For the moment the only certainty we have when we but the $240 pack, is that we'll get the joyful grinding activity for more than six months.

[Haakon Valravn]

Corralis, on 14 December 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

It is expensive and you know what? It fu*king well should be! These are CLAN mech's for Christ's sake, it's what people have been crying for for the last two years. Now ask yourself this other question, Is it value for money? If your answer here is no then my friend you also have issues. $240 for 24 Clan Mech's including 8 'hero' variants and 90 days premium time plus all the other goodies is a hell of a bargain.

You have a funny definition of 'bargain'.

You also have a funny definition of what 'value for dollar' is.

Should a Clan 'Mech be more expensive in C-Bills? Absolutely.

Should a Clan 'Mech be more expensive in US Dollars? Only if it comes fully equipped with functioning weapons, armor, and reactor. Of course… we're not talking about something that's real. We're talking about a few bits of data.

When I pay $60 for GTAV, I get all of GTAV. I don't get part of it. I've paid significantly more than that for MWO and I still don't have all of MWO. Nor does anyone else. Some of whom have paid a lot more than I have.

If somebody told me that they wanted me to pay anything in 1995 or even 2005 to run around in a Clan 'Mech, I would have laughed at them and clicked on Instant Action.

You know what. Screw it. I'm going to start laughing at you and at PGI and find out how to get MechWarrior 2 running on my PC. REDJACKANDTIKRULESLIKETHECOMSTARBABY.

Edited by Haakon Valravn, 15 December 2013 - 11:44 AM.

[smokefield]

just install a virtual machine on win 98se and you good to go

[mad kat]

Corralis, on 15 December 2013 - 08:21 AM, said:

Hmm so you have no founder's tag and you have no Project Phoenix tag so I'm assuming that you have interest in supporting PGI by giving them your hard earned cash and therefore you must be one of these people who expect the entire game for free. Well go play Hawken then, I'm sure you'll have more fun there anyway.

Actually i have, i have two hero mechs and have bought others with MC. But to be fair i try and get them on sale though.

These clanners on the other hand are a rip off. why am i not suprised.

Incidentally i thought the Pheonix packages were pushing the pricey boundry too.

Edited by mad kat, 15 December 2013 - 01:06 PM.

[Corralis]

Haakon Valravn, on 15 December 2013 - 11:41 AM, said:

You have a funny definition of 'bargain'.

You also have a funny definition of what 'value for dollar' is.

Should a Clan 'Mech be more expensive in C-Bills? Absolutely.

Should a Clan 'Mech be more expensive in US Dollars? Only if it comes fully equipped with functioning weapons, armor, and reactor. Of course… we're not talking about something that's real. We're talking about a few bits of data.

When I pay $60 for GTAV, I get all of GTAV. I don't get part of it. I've paid significantly more than that for MWO and I still don't have all of MWO. Nor does anyone else. Some of whom have paid a lot more than I have.

If somebody told me that they wanted me to pay anything in 1995 or even 2005 to run around in a Clan 'Mech, I would have laughed at them and clicked on Instant Action.

You know what. Screw it. I'm going to start laughing at you and at PGI and find out how to get MechWarrior 2 running on my PC. REDJACKANDTIKRULESLIKETHECOMSTARBABY.

Look I'm not a huge fan of the free to play business model (I end up spending far more than I probably should on them) but I understand that people who are willing to spend a lot of money are basically allowing the people who are not willing to pay money to still play the game. Games developers call people like me 'whales', I'm not a huge fan of the title but it is what it is. If I am willing to spend $240 on getting Clan Mech's into this game a lot earlier than other people then I don't see how it matter to anyone else.
Take Star Citizen for example, it's not going to be a free to play game but the development is still the same. It costs around $100,000 to build a ship in that game. That cost has got to be returned somehow so you say the item we are buying is just some digital code or whatever and your not wrong, it is but it's so much more than that. It's digital code that has taken many people a very long time to create. Those costs have got to be recouped, it's basic business.
You ask should Clan mech's cost more in dollar value? Well that is up to the individual purchasing the item and whether they feel like it is worth it to them.
The Boar's Head Atlas cost around $35 and all people got for that was a single mech with 30% extra C-bills. Many people bought that and all it really was was a re-skin of a mech that already exists. PGI are asking for $240 for 24 Clan Mech's, new mech's that don't exist, and for the people who are willing to give them that money, they are also getting premium time and cockpit items and modules and a host of other stuff. So yea I say to you that that is value for money, for me it is anyway and I couldn't care less if someone who doesn't want to support this game complains about the cost. They can have the Timber Wolf 7 months after I get it. Doesn't concern me and nor should it concern anyone else.

[Locan Ravok]

Since most of the people complaining are Overlords, PGI pricing system seems to be working fine.

I like MWO. I played it a lot, but I will not drop $210 on "more mechs" since I don't believe that clans will play any different than IS mechs.

IF CW ever comes, then I will consider.

[Corralis]

mad kat, on 15 December 2013 - 01:05 PM, said:

Actually i have, i have two hero mechs and have bought others with MC. But to be fair i try and get them on sale though.

These clanners on the other hand are a rip off. why am i not suprised.

Incidentally i thought the Pheonix packages were pushing the pricey boundry too.

Well then I retract my previous statement but when you say the Clan Mech's are a rip-off, you should be saying 'In my opinion, the Clan Mech's are a rip-off'.

As I said in my previous post, value for money is something that each individual has to determine. You clearly don't think it is but I on the other hand do and I will be buying the full package.

[Corralis]

Locan Ravok, on 15 December 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Since most of the people complaining are Overlords, PGI pricing system seems to be working fine.

I like MWO. I played it a lot, but I will not drop $210 on "more mechs" since I don't believe that clans will play any different than IS mechs.

IF CW ever comes, then I will consider.

Well I actually think piloting a Clan Mech may be harder than IS Mech's if you go by what the command chair post is saying. Sure the are some advantages but there's going to be new mechanics in place that is going to make things harder as well.

[Barkem Squirrel]

I will have to sit on the fence for now on purchasing any Clan package. The main reason is, I do not know what I am buying yet. I found out about the game the week after the founders package ended and enjoy the Phoenix package. Even with the 8 normal mechs that came with the package it was a deal, 4 hero, 12 mech bays, premium time, other items, then the added colors, and skins. Even the saber package costs less than two 55 ton hero mechs with 6 mech bays when you by MC per $100. The Overlord package with saber, well I knew what I was buying and how the mechs would work in the mech lab.

Will I drop $500 for a golden mech, real good question, but most likely not. The $240 for the 8 mechs with 16 other configurations, maybe.

I just need to see what the other items are and what they do.
I have to see how the clan mechs will work in the mech lab and what I can change.


This is not set in stone as of now, so I do not really know what I am purchasing.

Still want the Maddog. Even 10 years ago I gave up ever seeing an archer again so that was not a disappointment.

[Metalcell]

XX Sulla XX, on 13 December 2013 - 05:59 PM, said:

Not sure why any one would be mad. You can choose to get any of these mechs you want without paying a penny. You will just have to wait a little longer. Or if you want to pay cash but are not sure about the game you have MONTHS to wait and see how it is going before you buy. Either way no one is forcing you into doing anything so stop crying

We are mad because they're spending to much time making more mechs then they are fixing other stuff and bringing UI 2.0.

Edited by Metalcell, 15 December 2013 - 02:06 PM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Metalcell, on 15 December 2013 - 02:05 PM, said:

We are mad because they're spending to much time making more mechs then they are fixing other stuff and bringing UI 2.0.

And if they dropped what they were doing, fired everyone who works specifically on mechs, maps, and weapon tuning, and churned out UI 2.0 we would be pissed about a lack of maps and mechs. UI 2.0 is about ripe for release... supposedly. As is DX11. As is Skirmish. As is HPG Relay. A map, a game mode, an entire game engine overhaul, and a user interface upgrade. All being handled by people OTHER THAN those working on Mechs, Maps, and weapon balance.

[anonymous161]

Pariah Devalis, on 15 December 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

And if they dropped what they were doing, fired everyone who works specifically on mechs, maps, and weapon tuning, and churned out UI 2.0 we would be pissed about a lack of maps and mechs. UI 2.0 is about ripe for release... supposedly. As is DX11. As is Skirmish. As is HPG Relay. A map, a game mode, an entire game engine overhaul, and a user interface upgrade. All being handled by people OTHER THAN those working on Mechs, Maps, and weapon balance.

We dont need anymore mechs at the moment what we need now is a reason to continue playing the game that being features they have yet to deliver on. You cant clai ui2.0 is ripe for release or anything else they have talked about now cw hasn't even been physically worked on yet so that wont happen for another 2 years according to their way of working.

Honestly this game needs to be shut down for the good of the franchise and for our wallots. Hopefully someone who is an expert will get the franchise and make it the way people have dreamed of it for the last decade.

[Pariah Devalis]

Darth Bane001, on 15 December 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

We dont need anymore mechs at the moment what we need now is a reason to continue playing the game that being features they have yet to deliver on. You cant clai ui2.0 is ripe for release or anything else they have talked about now cw hasn't even been physically worked on yet so that wont happen for another 2 years according to their way of working.

Honestly this game needs to be shut down for the good of the franchise and for our wallots. Hopefully someone who is an expert will get the franchise and make it the way people have dreamed of it for the last decade.

Transmission garbled. Attempting to decypher.

Twitter. Terrible place to post actual updates, but they have been posting on twitter. Skirmish has a set date. First week of January. HPG Network is coming out next patch IIRC, alongside MC Thunderbolts. DX11 was hinted for either a late December or early January release on Twitter. UI 2.0's current update information as well.

Oh, and turrets. Actual base attack defend scenarios. Those were also announced without a date attached (though photos of the turrets exist). The information is there if you know where to look. Sadly PGI posts it in the wrong places. :\

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 15 December 2013 - 02:44 PM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

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[Pariah Devalis]

Somewhat unrelated:

The other mechs I can easily pin the Clan they are painted for, but the Kit Fox....

I figured Goliath Scorpion, but it looks like it is just the sun and a tail, not the entire scorpion. Certainly not Ice Hellion, Fire Mandrill, Cloud Cobra, Coyote, Steel Viper, or Hell Horses. Possibly Star Adder? Anyone have a positive identification on that Kit Fox's home clan?