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[Tyberion]

I like the Kit Fox too. The Timberwolf is great (as expected) and I really like the look of the Nova.

Edited by Tyberion, 15 December 2013 - 10:25 PM.

[Pale Jackal]

Pariah Devalis, on 15 December 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Same pricing as Phoenix, though. It has twice the mechs, so twice the price!

It was $20 per tier, for 4 tiers, with Overlord being $80... and you get 3 months of premium time. You drop $240 on the Clan pack, and you're getting 3 months of premium time. Of course, you get other random benefits with the $240 pack.

If you value premium time at $10 per month, then you're paying $50 for 12 'mechs - at about $4 a 'mech ($2.50 per 'mech if you take into account the free 'mech bay), that's a good value (in comparison to normal 'mech prices), and something I'd be tempted to get if I liked any 'mech besides the Shadow Hawk.

In this case, you're paying $210 for 24 'mechs. You're basically paying twice as much per 'mech, more depending on how you value 'mech bays.

If it was $20 per tier, I'd be complaining less, and I'd grab the Black Hawk or Daishi pack, but I'm not paying $60 for 2 premium 'mechs which may be awful variants. I'll buy stuff using C-bills.

Edited by Pale Jackal, 15 December 2013 - 10:35 PM.

[shameless]

They all look amazing, so points for that. The complete Redesign of the Nova/Blackhawk still keeps the spirit of the mech while giving it the ability to torso twist (Looks more like a Supernova honestly) makes me smile. I'm abit sad to not see the Koshi/Mist Lynx, and Gladiator/Executioner ( I love jumping mechs, leave me alone)

Before you get my $240 (Top tier, as I promised in the Poll ages ago) I do want to see some stats on the mechs, on the weapons, on their integration in general, and why exactly, we have variants on these Omnimechs.

[TingTangPing]

This has actually made me want to post on the forums, Even though i have stopped playing the game due to lack of interest. I urge you all to not buy this pack or anything else from PGI, reason, i stopped playing and refused to pay any more towards this game and got a refund for Pheonix overlord, as we have pretty much the same game now that we had in closed beta. Yeah we have a few more maps and a hell of a lot more mechs, but that is all. And i saw no progress to any meaningful changes.

This is not even a mechwarrior game anymore in my eyes and i cant see a buggy UI, buggy DX11 integration, pipe dream CW (which from what i have read, even if they deliver on it will be only slightly more interesting than what we have now). Now Clan mechs, that will be nothing like actual lore clan mechs, just rehashing of the same mechs we have with a new model/skin. The only thing PGI has delivered on is mechs, which they sell for stupid amounts of money... 500 for a gold painted mech, just takes the ****. And i do understand that the same mechs will be in game for cbills that you can buy, then grind on the same maps in the same deathmatch modes disguised as something more (current game modes).

Now the reason i urge no one to buy anymore from PGI is this: Put them out of buisiness, so they are forced to sell the Mechwarrior IP. We deserve better than this poor excuse for a game. Any faith i had in this company to deliver on promises is gone, even given 2 - 5 years and a limitless fund of money this game will still do no justice to the IP that we know. They will just continue to slowly destroy everything that made mechwarrior what we all remember and milk us all for money that they do not deserve. So don't give them anymore money, force them to sell the IP then wait for a better company to deliver a game that we can actually call Mechwarrior.

Edited by Scratch Built, 15 December 2013 - 10:38 PM.

[pbiggz]

I'm liking the more level-headed direction this thread is going. Keep the ship on this course guys.

Also, just for good measure, i'll say it again. If you feel that this is NOT worth the money without the core content, then wait for that core content before passing down judgement, and DONT scream bloody murder.

I already bought my daishi pack, but I wont even think about going above that until CW and UI 2.0 are in and PGI shows that they can stay the course.

Scratch Built, on 15 December 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

This has actually made me want to post on the forums, Even though i have stopped playing the game due to lack of interest. I urge you all to not buy this pack or anything else from PGI, reason, i stopped playing and refused to pay any more towards this game and got a refund for Pheonix overlord, as we have pretty much the same game now that we had in closed beta. Yeah we have a few more maps and a hell of a lot more mechs, but that is all. And i saw no progress to any meaningful changes.

This is not even a mechwarrior game anymore in my eyes and i cant see a buggy UI, buggy DX11 integration, pipe dream CW (which from what i have read, even if they deliver on it will be only slightly more interesting than what we have now). Now Clan mechs, that will be nothing like actual lore clan mechs, just rehashing of the same mechs we have with a new model/skin. The only thing PGI has delivered on is mechs, which they sell for stupid amounts of money... 500 for a gold painted mech, just takes the ****. And i do understand that the same mechs will be in game for cbills that you can buy, then grind on the same maps in the same deathmatch modes disguised as something more (current game modes).

Now the reason i urge no one to buy anymore from PGI is this: Put them out of buisiness, so they are forced to sell the Mechwarrior IP. We deserve better than this poor excuse for a game. Any faith i had in this company to deliver on promises is gone, even given 2 - 5 years and a limitless fund of money this game will still do no justice to the IP that we know. They will just continue to slowly destroy everything that made mechwarrior what we all remember. So don't give them anymore money, force them to sell the IP then wait for a better company to deliver a game that we can actually call Mechwarrior.

They don't own the IP smart ***, they have it licensed to them by microsoft. If this goes under, expect no other mechwarrior game for at least ten more years.

[TingTangPing]

Sorry friend, just telling it like it is. In the world i live in you actually have to provide something to get payed, PGI are asking you and everyone else to keep paying them based on vague ideas and dreams. Fair play to you if you want to take the risk that this may turn out to be slightly more than mech deathmatch in the next 1-2 years. But all i see is sale after sale, which is basicly just a fast cash boost for them followed by a new map every now and then and new mechs. Not at all what i imagined when i bought into this game, and honestly never will be. In my eyes if PGI keep hold of the mechwarrior IP then mechwarrior is Dead.

[Corralis]

GrandLocomon, on 15 December 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

Why aren't there silver ($250) or bronze ($100) mechs? Silver would be so much prettier. When I get hitscan hit-detection back is when I will consider buying these. I like the art at least. The kit fox is so cute and the rest are nice. Nothing fabulous, but nice.

Raises a good point actually. If they have the technology to add shiny gold mech's to the game then they also must now be able to add metallic paints to the game and that will really make me happy.

[TingTangPing]

pbiggz, on 15 December 2013 - 10:38 PM, said:

I'm liking the more level-headed direction this thread is going. Keep the ship on this course guys.

Also, just for good measure, i'll say it again. If you feel that this is NOT worth the money without the core content, then wait for that core content before passing down judgement, and DONT scream bloody murder.

I already bought my daishi pack, but I wont even think about going above that until CW and UI 2.0 are in and PGI shows that they can stay the course.




They don't own the IP smart ***, they have it licensed to them by microsoft. If this goes under, expect no other mechwarrior game for at least ten more years.

changes nothing, they still have the rights to produce games with the IP, while they have that we can expect nothing else from any other developer. And i would dispute that we would see nothing for the next 10 years, look at how many Zombie games came out trying to capitalise on the success of DayZ, if the interest is there, which MWO has proven is there, then the games will be made. Oh, and there is no need to resort to name calling, i was not personally attacking anyone, just expressing an opinion. I thought that was what forums are for?

[pbiggz]

Scratch Built, on 15 December 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

Sorry friend, just telling it like it is.

So am I, it remains to be seen which one of us is right. You have every right to be mad, but don't call for systematic sabotage of a company, because its insane, futile, and childish. Show PGI what you think by withholding your money until they stay the course. If they don't, then do not give them your business again, if they do, reassess how much you think the pack is worth.

[Tyberion]

Scratch Built, on 15 December 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Now the reason i urge no one to buy anymore from PGI is this: Put them out of buisiness, so they are forced to sell the Mechwarrior IP. We deserve better than this poor excuse for a game. Any faith i had in this company to deliver on promises is gone, even given 2 - 5 years and a limitless fund of money this game will still do no justice to the IP that we know. They will just continue to slowly destroy everything that made mechwarrior what we all remember and milk us all for money that they do not deserve. So don't give them anymore money, force them to sell the IP then wait for a better company to deliver a game that we can actually call Mechwarrior.

You can urge away. But as long as I keep having fun I'm gonna keep throwing down money. Sorry

[Pariah Devalis]

pbiggz, on 15 December 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

So am I, it remains to be seen which one of us is right. You have every right to be mad, but don't call for systematic sabotage of a company, because its insane, futile, and childish. Show PGI what you think by withholding your money until they stay the course. If they don't, then do not give them your business again, if they do, reassess how much you think the pack is worth.

Insane, futile, and childish is all I ever see here, though. My god, man, do you expect reason to prevail in the minds of the masses? For the past 48 hours, Reddit has been infected too. Some of the smoke is clearing, though. Like the hell that 3PV incurred, it will pass. Probably. Most definitely if Piranha actually delivers at least some of the long awaited features.

Of course, even if they did, they would "do it wrong," amIdoingthisright?

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 15 December 2013 - 11:16 PM.

[Tyberion]

LOL I almost forgot that 3PV was such a big deal

It's a similar situation.

"I don't want to play in 3PV so nobody should be able to!"

"I can't afford these shiny (literally) new mechs so nobody should be able to!"

Edited by Tyberion, 15 December 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Exactly. Remember how PGI handled 3PV? It is barely used now, despite the fears. The screams. The gnashing of teeth. The big bad! PGI pulled that magic trick, and it was one hell of a magic trick to pull. They also made the mech combat itself incredibly fun. Two magic tricks. Care to see if they can pull a third?

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 15 December 2013 - 11:20 PM.

[TingTangPing]

pbiggz, on 15 December 2013 - 10:55 PM, said:

So am I, it remains to be seen which one of us is right. You have every right to be mad, but don't call for systematic sabotage of a company, because its insane, futile, and childish. Show PGI what you think by withholding your money until they stay the course. If they don't, then do not give them your business again, if they do, reassess how much you think the pack is worth.

Sabotage is a strong word to describe what i said, i was just expressing my distaste for what PGI as a development studio have done for the IP. Which i feel is shown strongly with the release of this "Clan" pack, and suggesting a way foreward that i feel is the only way i will personally get to enjoy a mechwarrior game. Yes i am fully aware how unrealistic and futile calling for people to do anything like what i suggested is. However extreme my viewpoint may be on the matter though, it is still valid just as is yours. There is good and bad to everything, and it can be useful to hear opinions from both sides of the coin.

just to add, i had no problem with 3PV at all and i also did not see what all the fuss was about. Im more annoyed that the game is still just "click launch for deathmatch" with nothing more meaniful being added to the game, skirmish mode for gods sake!.

Edited by Scratch Built, 15 December 2013 - 11:29 PM.

[Wyzak]

I have been thinking a lot about the F2P model, and what it means for a small company operating under the auspices of a moderate sized company. A lot of players here don't appreciate that on top of the salaries, capital development fund, and ongoing utilities, equipment, and maintenance - 'Free 2 Play' doesn't mean free or even cheap. At first I was really upset about the gold packs, and then I was neutral about them (just can't afford it myself). But now I think I would go way out of my way to venerate and/or protect a gold player. Because if someone really has $500 to donate to this game, they basically just paid for 4-10 other players expenses for a very long time, in addition to their own value for purchase.

I will say though that without a star system map, metagame, plotline, or any way to acknowledge the existence of an Inner Sphere or the effects of the Clan Invasion on it - this could be a real missed opportunity for the hardcore Battletech fans unless we pick up the slack and develop our own lore. Unless PGI already has a picture perfect plan.

[Pariah Devalis]

Scratch Built, on 15 December 2013 - 11:24 PM, said:

Sabotage is a strong word to describe what i said, i was just expressing my distaste for what PGI as a development studio have done for the IP. Which i feel is shown strongly with the release of this "Clan" pack, and suggesting a way foreward that i feel is the only way i will personally get to enjoy a mechwarrior game. Yes i am fully aware how unrealistic and futile calling for people to do anything like what i suggested is. However extreme my viewpoint may be on the matter though, it is still valid just as is yours. There is good and bad to everything, and it can be useful to hear opinions from both sides of the coin.

Are you willing to risk no further MW titles in the future, though?

Here is a novel thought: Why doesn't the community, for the first time since the very earliest days of closed beta, actually try working with PGI as opposed to fighting them every step of the way? If you want them to listen to us, we need to be willing to listen to them. Right now we have a standoff. The developers may want the best thing for MWO, but the "community" would deride the good ideas and good intentions just because it came from the developers. And then scream if the devs are late on those ideas.

That is not how to foster communication. It is a two sided process, and the increased communication from the developers is a step in the right direction from THEM. We need to do our part too if the devs are ever going to take its community seriously again.

[Stormwolf]

Pariah Devalis, on 15 December 2013 - 11:29 PM, said:

That is not how to foster communication. It is a two sided process, and the increased communication from the developers is a step in the right direction from THEM. We need to do our part too if the devs are ever going to take its community seriously again.

The devs never communicated with the community to begin with, it's one of the many reasons why people went on to other games like Star Citizen.

[PhyroPhyre]

Kitsune Kaji, on 15 December 2013 - 08:23 PM, said:

$500 for one mech. Less they make the armor twice as effective, weapons and armor half as light, and the weapons twice as powerful then for 500 they better ship me a gold statue of the mech to my house. Make them the gold desert eagle from the bond games for MWO.

That will make it Pay2Win. No offense, but try thinking before typing.
The idea of spending $500 on 1 mech is, as Tyberion put it:

Tyberion, on 15 December 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

for WANKERS that would spend $500 to have a Gold Mech

It's a way to show-off. like driving a Ferrari or Lambo. If you're upset you can't afford it. Get a new job?

[PhyroPhyre]

Pale Jackal, on 15 December 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

It was $20 per tier, for 4 tiers, with Overlord being $80... and you get 3 months of premium time. You drop $240 on the Clan pack, and you're getting 3 months of premium time. Of course, you get other random benefits with the $240 pack.

If you value premium time at $10 per month, then you're paying $50 for 12 'mechs - at about $4 a 'mech ($2.50 per 'mech if you take into account the free 'mech bay), that's a good value (in comparison to normal 'mech prices), and something I'd be tempted to get if I liked any 'mech besides the Shadow Hawk.

In this case, you're paying $210 for 24 'mechs. You're basically paying twice as much per 'mech, more depending on how you value 'mech bays.

If it was $20 per tier, I'd be complaining less, and I'd grab the Black Hawk or Daishi pack, but I'm not paying $60 for 2 premium 'mechs which may be awful variants. I'll buy stuff using C-bills.

Did I just read a well reasoned 'against'-argument?

[TibsVT]

Pariah Devalis, on 15 December 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:

I mean, I understand the rage in that many people feel like PGI is yanking their chains and feel as if PGI is intentionally leading them on as far as UI 2.0, CW, DX11, et al is concerned.

I wnt DX11 cz all I care abt is mad grafiks!

Is that how you type like the young people these days..?

Seriously though; CW and UI 2.0 would be nice. I just hope they're making sure it's done right.