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#141 Jon Gotham

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:21 AM

View PostBanky, on 12 February 2014 - 07:06 PM, said:

I can't figure out how grown adults (for the most part) get so butt-hurt over simple taunting. It's a freaking game. I could care less if I'm verbally "teabagged" by another team when we lose - regardless the score. One side wins... one loses. It's one click to re-launch and get things "right"... Yeah, with the matchmaker as it is now, you'll get those streaks where it seems like you're grouped with paste-eaters on your team time and time again ... but for that to provoke the kind of rage some of these players have? It's more amusing than aggravating.

I can't figure out how grown adults (for the most part) feel the need to rub salt in the wound. to a losing team. You might actually mean "good game, well done" but usually the losing side is going to feel a bit patronized by comments like that. If you are thick skinned enough to let these comments bounce off you then great for you. It still does mean the people making the snide comments should be doing it.
If you win, keep the "ggs" to your own team chat. the losers do not need to see it. Over text chat people cannot tell if you are sincere or not-so better to exercise some decorum and keep it to yourself.

The attitude of "if you take offense you are too sensitive" may be partially true-but it still does excuse the people doing the "gg" to be smug, does it?
If I can manage to keep my mouth shut at the end of a match and not troll the losing team-why can't they?

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:36 AM

View Postkamiko kross, on 13 February 2014 - 06:21 AM, said:

I can't figure out how grown adults (for the most part) feel the need to rub salt in the wound. to a losing team. You might actually mean "good game, well done" but usually the losing side is going to feel a bit patronized by comments like that. If you are thick skinned enough to let these comments bounce off you then great for you. It still does mean the people making the snide comments should be doing it.
If you win, keep the "ggs" to your own team chat. the losers do not need to see it. Over text chat people cannot tell if you are sincere or not-so better to exercise some decorum and keep it to yourself.

The attitude of "if you take offense you are too sensitive" may be partially true-but it still does excuse the people doing the "gg" to be smug, does it?
If I can manage to keep my mouth shut at the end of a match and not troll the losing team-why can't they?


Bingo. And I don't know what it is, but it seems the more I game the worse the gaming community gets. Maybe it's a snowball effect happening. As I said, getting shit on after losing any game by the other players isn't a big deal to me, because after all, it is just a game. But is it so hard to understand that getting your ass kicked 0-12 may be enough for some without the need of adding insult to injury?

Either way, I'm going to continue the way I have been since I started gaming, the same way you do Kamiko - keeping my mouth shut.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:51 AM

Just because you get stomped, or did the stomping doesnt mean you didnt have a good game. I drop with my Marik brothers almost exclusively, and we have our share of success (and failures), but it doesnt mean I didnt have a good game. I have been on the receiving end of several face plants and in the middle of it have had some pretty impressive 1v1 or 1v3 fights. Even if I die, I usually say I had it coming. Doesnt mean it wasnt a good game.

Conversely, if its a roll and Im on the victory side, it does not mean it wasnt a good game. Ive had plenty of matches that start out 0-3 and turn into a 12-4 rout. The moments when the tide starts to shift and the kills start pouring in (from both sides) makes it a "GG", no matter the victor.

If I have a particuarly good battle with an enemy mech (or five lights) at the end of that battle, when limbs are lying on the battlefield and black columns of smoke litter the scene, I will take a minute to acknowledge my enemy with a "good fight sir" or words to that effect, win or lose.

Too many people are getting wrapped around the minutae of this. To summarize "GG" to me means "I had fun and see you on the next drop"

You can have my gantry now.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:56 AM

View Postkamiko kross, on 13 February 2014 - 06:21 AM, said:

Over text chat people cannot tell if you are sincere or not-so better to exercise some decorum and keep it to yourself.

The attitude of "if you take offense you are too sensitive" may be partially true-but it still does excuse the people doing the "gg" to be smug, does it?

Not a single player in the history of MWO has said gg at the end of a match to be smug. There are plenty of ways to be smug after a victory, but gg is not one of them. gg is usually sincere. When gg is not sincere it is polite. Never smug.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 07:11 AM

View PostSniperCon, on 13 February 2014 - 06:56 AM, said:

Not a single player in the history of MWO has said gg at the end of a match to be smug. There are plenty of ways to be smug after a victory, but gg is not one of them. gg is usually sincere. When gg is not sincere it is polite. Never smug.


I think it'd be a nice change of pace to play with some of if not all the forum members just based on the way you talk in the forums.

Edited by xTrident, 13 February 2014 - 07:14 AM.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 07:50 AM

View Postkamiko kross, on 13 February 2014 - 06:21 AM, said:

I can't figure out how grown adults (for the most part) feel the need to rub salt in the wound. to a losing team. You might actually mean "good game, well done" but usually the losing side is going to feel a bit patronized by comments like that. If you are thick skinned enough to let these comments bounce off you then great for you. It still does mean the people making the snide comments should be doing it.
If you win, keep the "ggs" to your own team chat. the losers do not need to see it. Over text chat people cannot tell if you are sincere or not-so better to exercise some decorum and keep it to yourself.

The attitude of "if you take offense you are too sensitive" may be partially true-but it still does excuse the people doing the "gg" to be smug, does it?
If I can manage to keep my mouth shut at the end of a match and not troll the losing team-why can't they?


typing gg is not being smug, get over yourself.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:13 AM

View PostcSand, on 12 February 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:


What do you want them to do? Hire people to go to people's houses and stop them from typing "gg" if they win?

Don't tempt them. We'll have a petition and a poll #stopgg otherwise... :P

Everyone needs to lighten up. Seriously. If you don't want to say it don't. If you really think someone is using it to grief you then report them

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:23 AM

View PostSandpit, on 13 February 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

Don't tempt them. We'll have a petition and a poll #stopgg otherwise... ;)

Everyone needs to lighten up. Seriously. If you don't want to say it don't. If you really think someone is using it to grief you then report them


No reason to report someone because they may be mocking you losing. Ridiculous to take it that far. Just don't expect me to have any kind of respect for said person doing such a thing.

#149 King Arthur IV

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:24 AM

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i agree with this and you all should read this in case you missed it.

i grew up with a sporting back ground too, even played a lot of 5v5 half court bball with none athletes at school. no matter what happen, we always said good game or something of the sort to each other at the end of the game. it was way more rude to just walk away but always respectful if we acknowledges each others efforts.

all kind of competitive things count, chess club, debate team, choir competitions etc. it puts us though the same form of acknowledgment. anyway not all of us have the privilege to do those things or its just not something you could get into. that being said, it is time to learn.

if you do anything sociable in real life and so happen to participate in real life games say "playing cards" its time to learn some old school etiquette.

maybe your parents didn't teach you or maybe you teachers didn't teach you or may be no one thought twice to teach you because they never knew you were such a sore loser in the first place, im here to tell you now.

its time to put your big boy pants on, grow a pair, suck it up, take a bow, tip your hat and show each other some respect.
we can't shake hands or hug it out online, so we say "gg" in place of it.

if it really upset you all that much, instead of only complaining about your problem; why don't you suggest something in place of it. what is appropriate to you all?

GG, Peace!

King

Edited by King Arthur IV, 13 February 2014 - 08:59 AM.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:28 AM

View PostxTrident, on 13 February 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:


No reason to report someone because they may be mocking you losing. Ridiculous to take it that far. Just don't expect me to have any kind of respect for said person doing such a thing.

I was half-joking. In other words if you really feel like you're being abused send in a report. See how many people agree that "GG" is griefing. *shrugs*

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:35 AM

If I won, I say it if they put up a fine battle that I would have still enjoyed fighting.

If I lost, I say it it in it that they played a good game (obviously).

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:49 AM

View PostSandpit, on 13 February 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

I was half-joking. In other words if you really feel like you're being abused send in a report. See how many people agree that "GG" is griefing. *shrugs*


Bolded - Ahh, gotcha.

I think what's happened is some are thinking whenever I, or someone else that has the same view of when "gg" is being used are taking it as face value. Putting it into way too simple a terms. Now, I won't disagree that maybe myself and others are making to big a deal about it from time to time, but where I'm (I'll just use me as an example and not speak for others at this point) coming from there is more to it than someone simply saying "gg" at the end of a match.

What I'm going to take as a positive from this point forward is everyone that's saying they say it for nothing more than at the very least to be polite.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:55 AM

View PostxTrident, on 13 February 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

No reason to report someone because they may be mocking you losing. Ridiculous to take it that far. Just don't expect me to have any kind of respect for said person doing such a thing.

If a team smashed you on the battlefield, you should respect them for being better at the game then you, at least in that instance. When they type "gg," they are showing respect for your effort, even if it was bad.

The winning team is not seeking respect or anything else from you. They took all the respect they need. "GG" is them being gracious about it. Be gracious about the fact that you lost.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:56 AM

Just ignore the Dbags that turn it into something it's not. That's the easiest thing to do. Then shoot the heck out of them the next time you see them ;)

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 09:18 AM

View PostTycho von Gagern, on 13 February 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:

If a team smashed you on the battlefield, you should respect them for being better at the game then you, at least in that instance. When they type "gg," they are showing respect for your effort, even if it was bad.

The winning team is not seeking respect or anything else from you. They took all the respect they need. "GG" is them being gracious about it. Be gracious about the fact that you lost.


Right, don't be a sore loser. I'm not, and I'm also not a poor winner. The circumstances surrounding me getting smashed (I'll get my butt kicked if the rest of team isn't very good) depends of whether I wind respecting the other team/player. But don't assume I don't respect a team or player just because they beat me. That's not what I have issue with. It's how they handle the victory. (and many times even a loss)

View PostSandpit, on 13 February 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:

Just ignore the Dbags that turn it into something it's not. That's the easiest thing to do. Then shoot the heck out of them the next time you see them ;)


And I do.

Edited by xTrident, 13 February 2014 - 09:22 AM.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 09:43 AM

View PostKing Arthur IV, on 13 February 2014 - 08:24 AM, said:

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i agree with this and you all should read this in case you missed it.

i grew up with a sporting back ground too, even played a lot of 5v5 half court bball with none athletes at school. no matter what happen, we always said good game or something of the sort to each other at the end of the game. it was way more rude to just walk away but always respectful if we acknowledges each others efforts.

all kind of competitive things count, chess club, debate team, choir competitions etc. it puts us though the same form of acknowledgment. anyway not all of us have the privilege to do those things or its just not something you could get into. that being said, it is time to learn.

if you do anything sociable in real life and so happen to participate in real life games say "playing cards" its time to learn some old school etiquette.

maybe your parents didn't teach you or maybe you teachers didn't teach you or may be no one thought twice to teach you because they never knew you were such a sore loser in the first place, im here to tell you now.

its time to put your big boy pants on, grow a pair, suck it up, take a bow, tip your hat and show each other some respect.
we can't shake hands or hug it out online, so we say "gg" in place of it.

if it really upset you all that much, instead of only complaining about your problem; why don't you suggest something in place of it. what is appropriate to you all?

GG, Peace!

King


This right here. +1111111111

When someone invites me over for dinner, I take a bottle of wine and compliment them on dinner afterwards. I don't get up and leave and come empty handed.

Edited by Ngamok, 13 February 2014 - 09:44 AM.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 10:55 AM

View PostNextGame, on 03 February 2014 - 02:11 AM, said:

Others on the other hand think that it is some kind of universal display of sportsmanship.


^^This

In other games I have played, in both single player duels, and multiplayer pvp matches, it is just pretty standard to say "gg", or "gf" (good fight) afterwards, as a kind of gladiator salute. In those games, NOT returning the salutation is seen as unsportsmanlike behavior, and is usually because the guy is sore about losing, whether they lost fairly or not.

It might be a little different in MWO, but I'm sure other people picked up this habit from different games, as I did, so I would be careful attributing some mean motive to people saying it. Of course, if it's a stomp and they say "gg, close", they are just being a {Richard Cameron}.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:15 PM

View PostLastPaladin, on 13 February 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:

It might be a little different in MWO

It wouldn't be, but for groups such as the [Chirp]ers (If you know who I refer to, you have my sympathies, if not - be grateful) who actively tried to make it so.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 01:45 PM

View PostShar Wolf, on 13 February 2014 - 12:15 PM, said:

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It wouldn't be, but for groups such as the [Chirp]ers (If you know who I refer to, you have my sympathies, if not - be grateful) who actively tried to make it so.


Yes, I've dropped with them, but mostly on their team, thankfully.

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 11:06 AM

Thanks for the match.





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