I can't figure out how grown adults (for the most part) get so butt-hurt over simple taunting. It's a freaking game. I could care less if I'm verbally "teabagged" by another team when we lose - regardless the score. One side wins... one loses. It's one click to re-launch and get things "right"... Yeah, with the matchmaker as it is now, you'll get those streaks where it seems like you're grouped with paste-eaters on your team time and time again ... but for that to provoke the kind of rage some of these players have? It's more amusing than aggravating.
I can't figure out how grown adults (for the most part) feel the need to rub salt in the wound. to a losing team. You might actually mean "good game, well done" but usually the losing side is going to feel a bit patronized by comments like that. If you are thick skinned enough to let these comments bounce off you then great for you. It still does mean the people making the snide comments should be doing it.
If you win, keep the "ggs" to your own team chat. the losers do not need to see it. Over text chat people cannot tell if you are sincere or not-so better to exercise some decorum and keep it to yourself.
The attitude of "if you take offense you are too sensitive" may be partially true-but it still does excuse the people doing the "gg" to be smug, does it?
If I can manage to keep my mouth shut at the end of a match and not troll the losing team-why can't they?
kamiko kross, on 13 February 2014 - 06:21 AM, said:
I can't figure out how grown adults (for the most part) feel the need to rub salt in the wound. to a losing team. You might actually mean "good game, well done" but usually the losing side is going to feel a bit patronized by comments like that. If you are thick skinned enough to let these comments bounce off you then great for you. It still does mean the people making the snide comments should be doing it.
If you win, keep the "ggs" to your own team chat. the losers do not need to see it. Over text chat people cannot tell if you are sincere or not-so better to exercise some decorum and keep it to yourself.
The attitude of "if you take offense you are too sensitive" may be partially true-but it still does excuse the people doing the "gg" to be smug, does it?
If I can manage to keep my mouth shut at the end of a match and not troll the losing team-why can't they?
Bingo. And I don't know what it is, but it seems the more I game the worse the gaming community gets. Maybe it's a snowball effect happening. As I said, getting shit on after losing any game by the other players isn't a big deal to me, because after all, it is just a game. But is it so hard to understand that getting your ass kicked 0-12 may be enough for some without the need of adding insult to injury?
Either way, I'm going to continue the way I have been since I started gaming, the same way you do Kamiko - keeping my mouth shut.
Just because you get stomped, or did the stomping doesnt mean you didnt have a good game. I drop with my Marik brothers almost exclusively, and we have our share of success (and failures), but it doesnt mean I didnt have a good game. I have been on the receiving end of several face plants and in the middle of it have had some pretty impressive 1v1 or 1v3 fights. Even if I die, I usually say I had it coming. Doesnt mean it wasnt a good game.
Conversely, if its a roll and Im on the victory side, it does not mean it wasnt a good game. Ive had plenty of matches that start out 0-3 and turn into a 12-4 rout. The moments when the tide starts to shift and the kills start pouring in (from both sides) makes it a "GG", no matter the victor.
If I have a particuarly good battle with an enemy mech (or five lights) at the end of that battle, when limbs are lying on the battlefield and black columns of smoke litter the scene, I will take a minute to acknowledge my enemy with a "good fight sir" or words to that effect, win or lose.
Too many people are getting wrapped around the minutae of this. To summarize "GG" to me means "I had fun and see you on the next drop"
kamiko kross, on 13 February 2014 - 06:21 AM, said:
Over text chat people cannot tell if you are sincere or not-so better to exercise some decorum and keep it to yourself.
The attitude of "if you take offense you are too sensitive" may be partially true-but it still does excuse the people doing the "gg" to be smug, does it?
Not a single player in the history of MWO has said gg at the end of a match to be smug. There are plenty of ways to be smug after a victory, but gg is not one of them. gg is usually sincere. When gg is not sincere it is polite. Never smug.
Not a single player in the history of MWO has said gg at the end of a match to be smug. There are plenty of ways to be smug after a victory, but gg is not one of them. gg is usually sincere. When gg is not sincere it is polite. Never smug.
I think it'd be a nice change of pace to play with some of if not all the forum members just based on the way you talk in the forums.
kamiko kross, on 13 February 2014 - 06:21 AM, said:
I can't figure out how grown adults (for the most part) feel the need to rub salt in the wound. to a losing team. You might actually mean "good game, well done" but usually the losing side is going to feel a bit patronized by comments like that. If you are thick skinned enough to let these comments bounce off you then great for you. It still does mean the people making the snide comments should be doing it.
If you win, keep the "ggs" to your own team chat. the losers do not need to see it. Over text chat people cannot tell if you are sincere or not-so better to exercise some decorum and keep it to yourself.
The attitude of "if you take offense you are too sensitive" may be partially true-but it still does excuse the people doing the "gg" to be smug, does it?
If I can manage to keep my mouth shut at the end of a match and not troll the losing team-why can't they?
Don't tempt them. We'll have a petition and a poll #stopgg otherwise...
Everyone needs to lighten up. Seriously. If you don't want to say it don't. If you really think someone is using it to grief you then report them
No reason to report someone because they may be mocking you losing. Ridiculous to take it that far. Just don't expect me to have any kind of respect for said person doing such a thing.
Bishop Steiner, on 03 February 2014 - 05:30 AM, said:
Actually, I "GG" 95% of the time, win or lose.
About the only time I don't is if I forget, or if people were obviously sync dropping, etc.
To me, maybe because of my background playing sports in leagues from childhood up, it is just good sportsmanship. You play a soccer, football or baseball match, you shake hands with the other team after. It's called winning (or losing) with grace.
If I lose, I GG because I am acknowledging the other team played well (do I throw in an occasional "NGG" or "GG other team" if my team was particularly atrocious? Yes). I also GG if I win to basically say "hey dudes, next time. Good effort though".
One of the things I really dislike about this internet generation, which makes me guess that many gamers never played in team or league activities (not Gaming Leagues, but Sports) is the automatic assumption a person is being a douche if the "GG" after a win. To my psyche, it would be a bigger act of douchery to NOT offer the post game handshake as it were. When I am the loser, and someone "GG"s me, I have to option of a simple GG back, or to say "Not really, but y'all played well" or the like. But the [redacted] I hear often make me think there are some people who have very little experience with IRL etiquette, as behavior people think is fine in game apparently, would get their face punched IRL.
If a person first assumption is that the other person has to be a [redacted] if they "GG" as a winner, more often then not it is a reflection of our own personality we are projecting on others, and really, should call one's OWN sportmanship and conduct in question. There are certainly plenty of people, online especially, who are [redacted]. Too often though, it's the one pointing the finger.
i agree with this and you all should read this in case you missed it.
i grew up with a sporting back ground too, even played a lot of 5v5 half court bball with none athletes at school. no matter what happen, we always said good game or something of the sort to each other at the end of the game. it was way more rude to just walk away but always respectful if we acknowledges each others efforts.
all kind of competitive things count, chess club, debate team, choir competitions etc. it puts us though the same form of acknowledgment. anyway not all of us have the privilege to do those things or its just not something you could get into. that being said, it is time to learn.
if you do anything sociable in real life and so happen to participate in real life games say "playing cards" its time to learn some old school etiquette.
maybe your parents didn't teach you or maybe you teachers didn't teach you or may be no one thought twice to teach you because they never knew you were such a sore loser in the first place, im here to tell you now.
its time to put your big boy pants on, grow a pair, suck it up, take a bow, tip your hat and show each other some respect. we can't shake hands or hug it out online, so we say "gg" in place of it.
if it really upset you all that much, instead of only complaining about your problem; why don't you suggest something in place of it. what is appropriate to you all?
GG, Peace!
King
Edited by King Arthur IV, 13 February 2014 - 08:59 AM.
No reason to report someone because they may be mocking you losing. Ridiculous to take it that far. Just don't expect me to have any kind of respect for said person doing such a thing.
I was half-joking. In other words if you really feel like you're being abused send in a report. See how many people agree that "GG" is griefing. *shrugs*
I was half-joking. In other words if you really feel like you're being abused send in a report. See how many people agree that "GG" is griefing. *shrugs*
Bolded - Ahh, gotcha.
I think what's happened is some are thinking whenever I, or someone else that has the same view of when "gg" is being used are taking it as face value. Putting it into way too simple a terms. Now, I won't disagree that maybe myself and others are making to big a deal about it from time to time, but where I'm (I'll just use me as an example and not speak for others at this point) coming from there is more to it than someone simply saying "gg" at the end of a match.
What I'm going to take as a positive from this point forward is everyone that's saying they say it for nothing more than at the very least to be polite.
No reason to report someone because they may be mocking you losing. Ridiculous to take it that far. Just don't expect me to have any kind of respect for said person doing such a thing.
If a team smashed you on the battlefield, you should respect them for being better at the game then you, at least in that instance. When they type "gg," they are showing respect for your effort, even if it was bad.
The winning team is not seeking respect or anything else from you. They took all the respect they need. "GG" is them being gracious about it. Be gracious about the fact that you lost.
Tycho von Gagern, on 13 February 2014 - 08:55 AM, said:
If a team smashed you on the battlefield, you should respect them for being better at the game then you, at least in that instance. When they type "gg," they are showing respect for your effort, even if it was bad.
The winning team is not seeking respect or anything else from you. They took all the respect they need. "GG" is them being gracious about it. Be gracious about the fact that you lost.
Right, don't be a sore loser. I'm not, and I'm also not a poor winner. The circumstances surrounding me getting smashed (I'll get my butt kicked if the rest of team isn't very good) depends of whether I wind respecting the other team/player. But don't assume I don't respect a team or player just because they beat me. That's not what I have issue with. It's how they handle the victory. (and many times even a loss)
Sandpit, on 13 February 2014 - 08:56 AM, said:
Just ignore the Dbags that turn it into something it's not. That's the easiest thing to do. Then shoot the heck out of them the next time you see them
King Arthur IV, on 13 February 2014 - 08:24 AM, said:
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i agree with this and you all should read this in case you missed it.
i grew up with a sporting back ground too, even played a lot of 5v5 half court bball with none athletes at school. no matter what happen, we always said good game or something of the sort to each other at the end of the game. it was way more rude to just walk away but always respectful if we acknowledges each others efforts.
all kind of competitive things count, chess club, debate team, choir competitions etc. it puts us though the same form of acknowledgment. anyway not all of us have the privilege to do those things or its just not something you could get into. that being said, it is time to learn.
if you do anything sociable in real life and so happen to participate in real life games say "playing cards" its time to learn some old school etiquette.
maybe your parents didn't teach you or maybe you teachers didn't teach you or may be no one thought twice to teach you because they never knew you were such a sore loser in the first place, im here to tell you now.
its time to put your big boy pants on, grow a pair, suck it up, take a bow, tip your hat and show each other some respect. we can't shake hands or hug it out online, so we say "gg" in place of it.
if it really upset you all that much, instead of only complaining about your problem; why don't you suggest something in place of it. what is appropriate to you all?
GG, Peace!
King
This right here. +1111111111
When someone invites me over for dinner, I take a bottle of wine and compliment them on dinner afterwards. I don't get up and leave and come empty handed.
Others on the other hand think that it is some kind of universal display of sportsmanship.
^^This
In other games I have played, in both single player duels, and multiplayer pvp matches, it is just pretty standard to say "gg", or "gf" (good fight) afterwards, as a kind of gladiator salute. In those games, NOT returning the salutation is seen as unsportsmanlike behavior, and is usually because the guy is sore about losing, whether they lost fairly or not.
It might be a little different in MWO, but I'm sure other people picked up this habit from different games, as I did, so I would be careful attributing some mean motive to people saying it. Of course, if it's a stomp and they say "gg, close", they are just being a {Richard Cameron}.
LastPaladin, on 13 February 2014 - 10:55 AM, said:
It might be a little different in MWO
It wouldn't be, but for groups such as the [Chirp]ers (If you know who I refer to, you have my sympathies, if not - be grateful) who actively tried to make it so.
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It wouldn't be, but for groups such as the [Chirp]ers (If you know who I refer to, you have my sympathies, if not - be grateful) who actively tried to make it so.
Yes, I've dropped with them, but mostly on their team, thankfully.
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Banky, on 12 February 2014 - 07:06 PM, said:
