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[MischiefSC]

LB10X has faster projectile speed.

[Divine Retribution]

Then other than the single point of impact, the AC/10 is worse in every way compared to the LBX/10. Then yeah, I'm all for allowing the LBX to replace the AC by allowing slugs. As in my earlier posts, I believe it is the design choices (convergence, internal structure health, critical mechanics) that limits the effectiveness of cluster rounds. Masking underlying problems by buffing damage per pellet could be an acceptable short-term solution. I'm still against it on principle because I think PGI would simply call it fixed without ever dealing with the underlying problems. But as a realist (how long would it take to deal with those problems given development thus far?), some buff is better than an eternity of mediocrity.

I'll end my ranting in this thread by summarizing my views of this and many other aspects of this game.... meh *shrugs*.

[Kmieciu]

Vlad Ward, on 29 April 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

Of course, comparing the LB-10 to other weapons of the same profile... 11 tons of LBX doing 10 damage a pop is a bit of a wash against 4 tons of SRM6 doing 12 damage a pop.

If the SRMs registered damage, that is :-)

[Bishop Steiner]

Prosperity Park, on 29 April 2014 - 07:48 PM, said:

So... the question is:

Dual LBX-AC/10, or 3xAC/5...?

2 tons difference, but they both take up 12 slots and will fit in a single side torso (sans XL).

If brawling build, I'll take the dual LBx. If Support Build, the AC5. Never been impressed with the Trip5 for face grinding.

[Sable]

I have been running and still run 2 LBX10s and 4 medium lasers on my firebrand. The most damage i've done was almost 1400 with 5 kills.

[Phromethius]

I don't care what the nay sayers say, I love the LBX and prefer it to the ac 10. And no, I'm not a scrub. I just lurk more than I post. I run the lbx in my hunchback 4h, cataphract 1x, I will put it into my 4x too, because I already run triple ac5s in the Illya. It's also on my Tbolt on occasion. I find it performing better than any ac10 build I try to run. Also before anyone says anything about trigger finger or bad aim, I run ac5 builds all the time and my accuracy is in the mid 80s. I know how to lead. The WHOLE debate is just personal preference, there is no EMPIRICAL data showing one side or the other, and there is no "time and again" proof of inferiority. If you don't like the weapon use the AC10. That literally solves this whole thread.

[Roland]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 April 2014 - 07:14 AM, said:

If brawling build, I'll take the dual LBx. If Support Build, the AC5. Never been impressed with the Trip5 for face grinding.

3x5 is effectively a rotary gauss rifle... It'll mess you up at pretty much any range, assuming the pilot can aim.

[Bishop Steiner]

Roland, on 30 April 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

3x5 is effectively a rotary gauss rifle... It'll mess you up at pretty much any range, assuming the pilot can aim.

Yessir. Of course. We peons are wrong, misguided idiots, costing our team the match and should feel bad.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 30 April 2014 - 09:26 AM.

[Khobai]

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If brawling build, I'll take the dual LBx.

IMO the only mech that should ever consider dual LB10X is the Atlas. Because the Atlas is incapable of taking dual AC10 or dual AC20 and dual LB10X or dual (U)AC/5s are really its only options left for ballistics.

[FupDup]

Khobai, on 30 April 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

IMO the only mech that should ever consider dual LB10X is the Atlas. Because the Atlas is incapable of taking dual AC10 or dual AC20 and dual LB10X or dual (U)AC/5s are really its only options left for ballistics.

I'm pretty sure that a single AC/20 is a viable (if not optimal) ballistic option for Atlai.

[Roland]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 April 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Yessir. Of course. We peons are wrong, misguided idiots, costing our team the match and should feel bad.

Again, I think you are imagining some kind of insult where there was none.
I'm just pointing out the facts.. It's gauss rifle damage, that fires every 1.66 seconds. Being close to the guy who's shooting you with 15 damage every one and a half seconds doesn't make it hurt less.

[Khobai]

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I'm pretty sure that a single AC/20 is a viable (if not optimal) ballistic option for Atlai.

single AC/20 is another option as well. The point is dual LB10X should only be considered on the Atlas.

[Mcgral18]

If PGI doesn't want to change the damage on the weapon, they could always decrease the cooldown.

Making it 2 seconds would make it more dangerous up close, with the same DPS as the AC20, 5 DPS.

No where near as effective, but that amount of damage is nothing to ignore up close. It also gives a large edge over the AC10 in a brawl.

[Sigilum Sanctum]

I was getting a lot of kills last night runnijg my Jager S with 4 medium lasers and 2 LB10x. Im a pretty terribad player so it was exhilarating for me

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 30 April 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure that a single AC/20 is a viable (if not optimal) ballistic option for Atlai.

AC20 is fine. Gauss is fine. Dual LB-X is Fine. Dual UAC5 is fine. ALl work and all work very well in the hands of a pilot who is comfortable with and understands the limitations of each system. People insisting on one over the other, honestly need to get over themselves.

Khobai, on 30 April 2014 - 09:33 AM, said:

single AC/20 is another option as well. The point is dual LB10X should only be considered on the Atlas.

and, you are wrong. Jagers run them just fine. OH wait.... no I guess I am just a fluke. I must have turned on PGIs "God Mode" to my settings.

Or, as my previous post states, you are wrong.

[Ultimax]

FupDup, on 30 April 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure that a single AC/20 is a viable (if not optimal) ballistic option for Atlai.

As well as 2x AC 5.


Yeah, I love 2x UAC 5 beause sometimes it's like this, but there are an awful lot of times it's like this.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mcgral18, on 30 April 2014 - 09:34 AM, said:

If PGI doesn't want to change the damage on the weapon, they could always decrease the cooldown.

Making it 2 seconds would make it more dangerous up close, with the same DPS as the AC20, 5 DPS.

No where near as effective, but that amount of damage is nothing to ignore up close. It also gives a large edge over the AC10 in a brawl.

I've always slightly preferred this over pellet damage increase, though damage buff would be a decent option too.

It works fine in it's intended role now, but it is still a step below optimal. Just tired of the lie of it being total garbage.

[Deathlike]

I'm still trying to envisioning a situation where LBX10 is threatening me.

I fear MGs (well, those that have 4 anyways), despite the lame COF it has, than LBX10s. My slow testing is confirming what I believe either way.

[Bishop Steiner]

Deathlike, on 30 April 2014 - 09:39 AM, said:

I'm still trying to envisioning a situation where LBX10 is threatening me.

I fear MGs (well, those that have 4 anyways), despite the lame COF it has, than LBX10s. My slow testing is confirming what I believe either way.

if you fear 4MG, you should fear 4 MG in tandem with 2 LB-X, a lot more. Yet oddly, when I ran 4 MG with 2 ac10 on the Jager pre stat wipe, it never clicked. Weapon symbiosis is a real thing.

[Deathlike]

Bishop Steiner, on 30 April 2014 - 09:40 AM, said:

if you fear 4MG, you should fear 4 MG in tandem with 2 LB-X, a lot more. Yet oddly, when I ran 4 MG with 2 ac10 on the Jager pre stat wipe, it never clicked. Weapon symbiosis is a real thing.

I don't even fear the tri-LBX on the Ilya. It's just bad.

When you have to solely rely on RNG to make sure a particular spot you are aiming at gets hit, you're asking to handicap yourself.

By comparison, I got another airstrike headshot kill w/o even trying (and collecting the 10 headshot reward), while struggling with LBX to "hit where I want it to hit'.

Edited by Deathlike, 30 April 2014 - 09:47 AM.