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[BlindProphet]

Jason Phoenix, on 20 June 2012 - 07:28 AM, said:

Just to explain something to the Yongsters that still have no clue about Life, the Trend nowadays in the Gaming industry is to USE a Brand and MILK it to death by creating a HYPE using fan's NEED for a PC Game.

Still dont understand plain English ? ok, let me dumb it down for you...;
EA decide to buy a Gaming Comany X. Gaming Company X plan on making an MMO in the SW Universe. They call it Star Wars: The Old Republic. Comany X has great ideas about their game but EA decide to push SW:TOR to hit the shelf 5 years in advance, even tho their Beta Testers tell them they need to fix 1 Million Issues...

On Day 1 of Release, Company X choose to send all their Curtomers Representative in Vacation for Xmas so that no one would cancel their Monthly Subscription before they actually talk to a CS Rep, postponing the inevitable to a later date. Hundreds of Thousands of Gamers/Fans got RIPPED off by Company X/EA and a couple Thousands Dumbsters just keep on paying to encourage them into keeping up their good work /cough...

In the Gaming Industry nowadays, Leap of Faith = Our Product does not meet your expectation so, give us your Money now and let us Screw you over later...

Thas what Milking a Brand is, trading Long Term Success for Short Term Monatery gain. There is NO EXCEPTIONS. This is a Trend in the Gaming Industry. There will always be tons of people dumb enough to get caught with their pants down to enjoy being Milked like Money Cow by Unscrupulous Company.

Now is PGI any different ?!? Only time will tell right ? I for one know better than blindly giving out my money. I lost Faith in the Gaming Industry a long time ago.

Anyway, if the game is realy worth 120$ good for all those who bought their Legendary Pack. If the Game is a huge Fail, I told you so comes to my mind...

Peace out

JP

Couple of things here I want to point out.

You're drawing a bad comparison here. You do not need to buy a founders pack, or purchase a premium account in order to play MWO. SWTOR required you to buy the game and sign up for a subscription.

No ones asking you to pay up front for the game. You have been given you the option to do so however.

Also not all of us are youngsters.

As for the worth of the game? I'm sure I'll easily put 80 hours of gameplay before I decide if I want to keep playing or not. At 80 hours I've spent less than $2 per hour. If I go and see a movie I spend somewhere around $5-6 an hour in general if not more. I think I'll be getting my moneys worth.

But its ok for you to have your opinion. I don't agree with it. I think your comparisons are flawed, and you make a few bad assumptions. But hey, you're welcome to play the game when it goes open beta...then you can try out the game for free!

[CowboyHatValor]

A F2P model always rests on micro-transactions, and early 'deals' for pre-order are not rare in the slightest.

Is there some risk? Definitely, a bit. You could turn out with a unique cosmetic look and a bit of a convenience boost in a good game, or potentially have thrown away a bit of money. A slight gamble, and one that some people (Myself included) are willing to take.

If you don't have the money to spare, I would advise against 'early investing' in any game - risk or not.

If you do, weigh the gamble for yourself against how much the loss would hurt you.

Not difficult, and company has done no wrong. Early support for some kind of unique deal is relatively standard with any community-based game.

[Fl3tcher]

Here's my thinking.. Any of the Founders packs are optional, don't want? don't get, it's as easy as that, the game will be free to play afterall. Some of us. . many of us it seems think that MWO is worth taking a punt at, so we paid in advance for something that we havn't seen yet apart from a few videos and some screenshots. That's called having faith in the IP

As far as MechWarrior Online is concerned, my faith is strong.

But, noone is asking you to do the same.

Edited by Fl3tcher, 20 June 2012 - 07:41 AM.

[Major Tom]

Welcome to the new world of financing.
In the past a game like MWO would not have been made without backing from a major publisher.

Of course you still run the risk of getting absolutely nothing for your money, these kinds of scams are out there, so a little caution goes a long way. But the fact that they have been hitting all the trade shows and are less than 2 months away from release is a good indicator that this product will be released.

[Garth Erlam]

I saw it as a pretty simple thing really - people who've loved 'Mechs forever get their name in the credits of a game, four 'Mechs to start with, four extra 'Mechbay slots, 80 dollars of in game money, three months of premium membership (so quicker C-Bills and XP), a founders tag on the forums, and a founders tag in game - for 120 dollars. Or to put it another way, people who were going to pay money anyway spend 40 dollars for four 'Mechs, three months of premium membership, 'cred' from us via tags to show off, and your name in the credits of a loved franchise.

This is glossing over the fact that the 120 dollar option was one of the most frequently requested options by fans - people who wanted to buy all four 'Mechs, plus get 'some kinda 'thanks' like a forum tag.'

If that's not worth 40 dollars to you, then it clearly wasn't designed for you. I play this game as a F2P player - I don't get 'free C-Bills' or anything, so you can bet I'm here making sure the game works for those that just want to play.

[CoffiNail]

[Joat]

Tano, on 20 June 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

Comparing sinking a huge amount of money into a game you can't even play, against a potential partner? ***..

buddy if you can play with a potential partner before paying out any cash he/she has issues you may want to address before things go any farther.....most people like to be WOOOOooed just a little bit and that ALWAYS means spending a little somthing or you paying the pimp upfront before.....uuuumm you get the idea

and I am happy I was able to make people smile

Edited by Joat, 20 June 2012 - 07:47 AM.

[Blam417]

From what I understand. The game is going to be built with a similar economy model to League of legends. you have to invest time in the game to progress your profile further. (ie unlock new mechs skill points etc.) however, you also have the option of spending real money to speed up this process or in some cases buy items straight out. If it is anything like League of legends then there will be nothing that affects gameplay that has to be bought with real money.

[JabberJon]

While you sit and wonder how long until release, they have been shelling out cash for years on people and equipment. Development isn't cheap and they haven't made any positive income since production started. They're offering a chance for people to get in on the ground floor, help keep them going and get a lifetime bonus for doing so. Sounds like a fair trade. They've always been as honest as they can be, heck, I've never seen a president of a company spend as much time in the forums as half of the members. They want that communication, they want that community and they want to make the best damn game they possibly can, but things are probably starting to get a bit tight over there, or maybe they just needed the cash so they can get an EU server? You never know what the cash is going to, but I can guarantee you it's at least going to go to what very well may be the best battletech game in a long, long time. Either pony up and help push, or back away until it's finished, nobody's going to judge you either way.

[CowboyHatValor]

Also, if this game is indeed successful, I've calculated how much money I've thrown at item shops in the past.

It's obscene.

They are doing me a favor by giving me a little up-front value!

[Dagger6T6]

I'll accept that it is indeed a 'kickstart'... but it is optional, no one is being forced to purchase a founder's pack

'moneygrab' just has negative connotations about it.


and as far as PGI being compared to EA... I would not give EA $1.20... they have demonstrated time and time again what their main motivation is. PGI still has my confidence until they prove otherwise

[JabberJon]

^ Agreed. Realized that amount I've spent on League of Legends... it's not pretty. Haha, but I enjoy the game immensely and I feel that I should throw them a bone every once in a while. That bone has gotten large over the past two years, but I don't mind. Still cheaper than if I bought a game a month. Same with the pack here, I paid $60, that's the same (just barely less) than a new game, but this will most likely bring me enjoyment for months if not years to come, where most games now are done in days. I talked it over with my wife and on Friday, I'm going to move to legendary, just because I think it will save me money in the long run.

[Dagger6T6]

Syclonus, on 20 June 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

.... beta will just have to hold me over till then.

your talking about the Mehwarrior cartoon on betamax cassettes right? i prefer VHS to beta but if it works for you

[Jason Phoenix]

blindprophet, on 20 June 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

Couple of things here I want to point out.

You're drawing a bad comparison here. You do not need to buy a founders pack, or purchase a premium account in order to play MWO. SWTOR required you to buy the game and sign up for a subscription.

No ones asking you to pay up front for the game. You have been given you the option to do so however.

Also not all of us are youngsters.

As for the worth of the game? I'm sure I'll easily put 80 hours of gameplay before I decide if I want to keep playing or not. At 80 hours I've spent less than $2 per hour. If I go and see a movie I spend somewhere around $5-6 an hour in general if not more. I think I'll be getting my moneys worth.

But its ok for you to have your opinion. I don't agree with it. I think your comparisons are flawed, and you make a few bad assumptions. But hey, you're welcome to play the game when it goes open beta...then you can try out the game for free!

Blind Prophet, I like your name bro, reminds me most PC Gamers are actually Blind to whats truly happening behind the Scene.

My comparison is actually well founded if you consider SW:TOR CE was selling for around 150$ before Taxes for 1 Month of Gameplay. AND compare it to a Legendary Closed Open Beta Key for lets say 120$...

As for being old or young, when I play a Game, my age drops by 10-15 years and I assume its about the same for everry other Gamers out there. Hence why im adressing my post to the Youngsters, Youngsters that tend to loose track of reality because they are so excited their game is finally coming out...

And just so you know, if I had a Beta Key, not saying I actually have one, but IF I HAD a Beta Key, id be so disapointed by the Marketing at PGI alone that id prolly gladly give it away no questions asked. Just saying.

Not forcing anyone to read me, just feel the hurge to express myself onto a public Forum, tyvm...

Edited by Jason Phoenix, 20 June 2012 - 07:52 AM.

[Garth Erlam]

Jason Phoenix, on 20 June 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Blind Prophet, I like your name bro, reminds me most PC Gamers are actually Blind to whats truly happening behind the Scene.

My comparison is actually well founded if you consider SW:TOR CE was selling for around 150$ before Taxes for 1 Month of Gameplay. AND compare it to a Legendary Closed Beta Key for lets say 120$...

As for being old or young, when I play a Game, my age drops by 10-15 years and I assume its about the same for everry other Gamers out there. Hence why im adressing my post to the Youngsters, Youngsters that tend to loose track of reality because they are so excited their game is finally coming out...

And just so you know, if I had a Beta Key, not saying I actually have one, but IF I HAD a Beta Key, id be so disapointed by the Marketing at PGI alone that id prolly gladly give it away no questions asked. Just saying.

Not forcing anyone to read me, just feel the hurge to express myself onto a public Forum, tyvm...

I guess the difference as I see it, is that we're handing you this game and going "You can play this now, for free, and we love you" and then saying "and if you like us, consider these entirely optional purchases."

If we were an Evil Empire, choice one would not exist.

MechWarrior Prevails.

[Steven Dixon]

Of course this is a money grab for the most hardcore, thats how F2P is supposed to work. In an optimal F2P game, a small percentage must be allowed to spend exorbident amounts of money in order to fund the playtime of the bulk of players who pay little to nothing. I would only have a problem with the Founder's pack if the Founder's mech had some kind of combat bonus or other significant advantage, their only advantage is a 25% C-Bill bonus (not even an XP bonus). All of the players who don't want to spend a dime are also an important part of the community, you are the majority and help populate the servers. Your job is to try the game when it comes out and if you enjoy it keep playing and tell others and perhaps one day you'll want to help contribute to IGP's bottom line. The paying players duty is to help support the game. Both groups are important in a F2P game.

Edited by Steven Dixon, 20 June 2012 - 07:57 AM.

[EarthenMight]

It is their money let them spend it how they like. A long line Battletech / Mechwarrior companies (starting with FASA) have earned my money, Piranha Game's has not earned my money. Those buying into the hype will scream the loudest for a refund when the game doesn't live up to the hype. I used to buy into hype too, and then I bought an XBOX just to play a Mechwarrior game, learned my lesson.

[Jason Phoenix]

Garth Erlam, on 20 June 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

I guess the difference as I see it, is that we're handing you this game and going "You can play this now, for free, and we love you" and then saying "and if you like us, consider these entirely optional purchases."

If we were an Evil Empire, choice one would not exist.

MechWarrior Prevails.

I love you too Garth heh, in a non-gay manner...

Not saying PGI is Evil, but I must admit, I got very disapointed lately...

"Ive got a bad feeling about this..." See this as a "Please PGI, prove me wrong..."

[BlindProphet]

Jason Phoenix, on 20 June 2012 - 07:49 AM, said:

Blind Prophet, I like your name bro, reminds me most PC Gamers are actually Blind to whats truly happening behind the Scene.

My comparison is actually well founded if you consider SW:TOR CE was selling for around 150$ before Taxes for 1 Month of Gameplay. AND compare it to a Legendary Closed Open Beta Key for lets say 120$...

As for being old or young, when I play a Game, my age drops by 10-15 years and I assume its about the same for everry other Gamers out there. Hence why im adressing my post to the Youngsters, Youngsters that tend to loose track of reality because they are so excited their game is finally coming out...

And just so you know, if I had a Beta Key, not saying I actually have one, but IF I HAD a Beta Key, id be so disapointed by the Marketing at PGI alone that id prolly gladly give it away no questions asked. Just saying.

Not forcing anyone to read me, just feel the hurge to express myself onto a public Forum, tyvm...

Its actually a Dune reference, but thanks I guess.

Your still comparing apples to oranges. SWTOR Required you to purchase the game in order to play the game period. There was a mandatory investment there in order to try the game, if you were not lucky to get into one of the beta slots. Here you are not required to invest at all in order to try the game. You simply have to wait till open beta, or hope previously you got a closed beta key.

That is the huge difference right there between the games. And the same reason you can't compare them like you are attempting to do.

And you're disappointed in the marketing...ok? I'm not really sure what your issue is there, or why you're upset about it so I can't even begin to address that from my own view point. All I can say is I haven't seen any issues myself.

And once again you're certainly welcome to your opinion on things.

[Tano]

Why are people crying over this?

If you don't like the packs, don't buy them.