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[Syclonus]

Dagger6T6, on 20 June 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

your talking about the Mehwarrior cartoon on betamax cassettes right? i prefer VHS to beta but if it works for you

Laser discs ftw

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

and precisely how else are you expecting them TO MAKE MONEY?

Good faith and loans?

[Bryan Kerensky]

PissdOffChuchNorrisWithChainsaw, on 20 June 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

Hopefully there won't be random dice roll damage model accompanied with bad matchmaker. Still hopeful it can be fun to play but with these prices I'm not going to spend a dime on this.

And you won't have to because it's free to play.

[Thorn Hallis]

I guess some people are just a little bit afraid that their money is not used on new server hardware or something, but instead be used to pay for PGIs annual holiday trip to the United States. Cause thats what canadians do in their holidays, visiting foreign cultures and such, right?

Edited by Thorn Hallis, 20 June 2012 - 08:36 AM.

[Thomas Hogarth]

Is this thread seriously a thing? Really?

PissdOffChuchNorrisWithChainsaw, on 20 June 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

Personally it is a disappointment for me that they just copied the world of tanks game in almost every way they could. Hugely expensive start up packs, exactly same premium benefits, the same money/exp system as well and premium tanks... I mean mechs. Even the price looks about the same.

I'm disappointed mostly because world of tanks is basically just a long grind and the mmo aspect of it is almost non-existent. And that grind system is pretty much tied to the business side. People are "encouraged" by the system to spend money to shorten the grind.

Tbh I was expecting mwo devs to create something of their own instead of making it world of mechs.

Wow, I guess it is.

First off, I can see the similarities between World of Tanks in terms of out-of-game mechanics and MWO. Pay for EXP boost and earning boost, etc. Okay. What's wrong with that? You mentioned your worry about the long grind found in WoT, and that's a valid worry - right up until you realize that nowhere does there seem to be a 'Mech tree to grind through. The devs have stated that you can start off in any weight class. There's no room for a tree to grind through with a setup like that.

Your argument is invalid, and it wouldn't have taken much effort for you to realize that. If you're too busy to expend that effort(nothing wrong with that, people have other things to do), then realize that your point of view is limited and refrain from making forum posts which will be of dubious value.

Concerns are great. Concerns can be constructive. Concerns sourced from a lack of understanding are fine, as long as you keep them to your own damn self.

PissdOffChuchNorrisWithChainsaw, on 20 June 2012 - 08:17 AM, said:

Hopefully there won't be random dice roll damage model accompanied with bad matchmaker. Still hopeful it can be fun to play but with these prices I'm not going to spend a dime on this.

You know what I view the founders pack as? The ability to show PGI some love for making a Mechwarrior game. Do I wish I had budgeted $120 for the legendary pack? Sure. Am I going to lose sleep over it? Absolutely not. You choose how much you want to pay in this game. If you want to spend $40, well hell, there just happens to be a pack valued at $30. If you were planning on spending less than $30, I'm sure the game store will have something for you, and I'm sure it'll be something that you can play without. If you're expecting everything in the game for less than $30, then you are merely being an entitled child.

[Daigoji Gai]

Chet Manley, on 20 June 2012 - 03:22 AM, said:

Well, to play devils advocate for a second.

There is always the possiblity that this could turn out a total bust. True the devs keep in close contact with the community. And, truer still, everything we've seen(or I've seen at least) looks fantastic. But, we havn't delved into the final product yet.

It boils down to if your willing to weigh the risks and still jump onboard.

I was. But then... I also ended up dumping about $160 into STO when it first came out......

I was a founder in Hellgate London - did the lifetime package... so you aren't playing devil's advocate, you are speaking truth - a fact that has been proven. It could be a bust and I could end up butthurt like I was when Hellgate London closed down and my lifetime subscription (and hopes the game would improve) were torn asunder.

That all said *spit shines Legendary Founder medal* I would have paid three times the price for this package. Only a wetnose dumb enough to be taken down in an Atlus would think this is folly.

Thomas Hogarth, on 20 June 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

You know what I view the founders pack as? The ability to show PGI some love for making a Mechwarrior game. Do I wish I had budgeted $120 for the legendary pack? Sure. Am I going to lose sleep over it? Absolutely not. You choose how much you want to pay in this game. If you want to spend $40, well hell, there just happens to be a pack valued at $30. If you were planning on spending less than $30, I'm sure the game store will have something for you, and I'm sure it'll be something that you can play without. If you're expecting everything in the game for less than $30, then you are merely being an entitled child.

This quote. You are a winner at life good sir.

[CCC Dober]

@Jason
You describe the same woes of WoT CBT players. I have given fellow players the following advice and I would ask you to heed it:
Scratch what you know about that game and the devs in disguise. Both games are going down precisely because the devs did not care enough about the game. If they did you wouldn't be here and neither would I (unlikely, but possible).

It is obvious that PGI could not secure this engine (CryEngine3) without having any credentials or idea how to produce a AAA title. And in this business my friend you need to have all of that and a lot of money to get anywhere. They got this far without a publisher and believe it or not, the big, inflexible publishers do not want F2P to succeed at all. This is what I read in an interview with the Crytek boss and the implications are enough to make me realize who really leads this business. It's companies like PGI and Crytek that do and it is them that can give us what we want. The usual publishers have different concerns that even run counter to ours. They would give us the minimum experience for a maximum of payment. That's how they work. F2P is anathema to them because it is the exact opposite.

P.S.: I respect your opinion, if you're an oldtimer, but it's the mileage that counts

Edited by CCC Dober, 20 June 2012 - 08:40 AM.

[PANZERBUNNY]

OP's drank a lot of soda today. Soda pop make people angry.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Honestly though, to repeat my question:

How exactly were you planning on them making money with the game before launch?

If they cant sell the game, they cant have the community support the game directly, how do they make money pre launch?

[Tarl Cabot]

One thing to consider are what about those folks already in the closed beta? If it was not worth it someone would say something, if not directly then indirectly through friends, family and/or comrades.

Add on top of that, if there is no real negativity internally about how the closed beta is going, how many of those beta testers have already purchased a package, provided they had the funds available?

If it is still available I will be making my own purchase in 3 weeks but first need to finishing building a new system (current systems 7-10 years old ), rebuilding an engine while not touching the emergency funds .

[Tano]

The OP is actually correct, yes it is a money grab, but so what? No one is forcing you to hand over your cash, the game will still be F2P on release.

The people who have invested in a Founders pack have because they could financially, or because they really want to. No one forced them, it was their choice, and so far, all of them are happy with their choice.

When members from PGI come to your house and force you to hand over your cash, THEN you can complain.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Tano, on 20 June 2012 - 08:43 AM, said:

The OP is actually correct, yes it is a money grab, but so what? No one is forcing you to hand over your cash, the game will still be F2P on release.

The people who have invested in a Founders pack have because they could financially, or because they really want to. No one forced them, it was their choice, and so far, all of them are happy with their choice.

When members from PGI come to your house and force you to hand over your cash, THEN you can complain.

Heck If I get $60 in the time the upgrades are still available Ill be letting them grab that much more

[Jason Phoenix]

CCC Dober, on 20 June 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

@Jason
You describe the same woes of WoT CBT players. I have given fellow players the following advice and I would ask you to heed it:
Scratch what you know about that game and the devs in disguise. Both games are going down precisely because the devs did not care enough about the game. If they did you wouldn't be here and neither would I (unlikely, but possible).

It is obvious that PGI could not secure this engine (CryEngine3) without having any credentials or idea how to produce a AAA title. And in this business my friend you need to have all of that and a lot of money to get anywhere. They got this far without a publisher and believe it or not, the big, inflexible publishers do not want F2P to succeed at all. This is what I read in an interview with the Crytek boss and the implications are enough to make me realize who really leads this business. It's companies like PGI and Crytek that do and it is them that can give us what we want. The usual publishers have different concerns that even run counter to ours. They would give us the minimum experience for a maximum of payment. That's how they work. F2P is anathema to them because it is the exact opposite.

P.S.: I respect your opinion, if you're an oldtimer, but it's the mileage that counts

I think I understand what you mean.

Tell you what, convince me that I have no reason whatsoever to be concerned with the Direction MW:O has taken and I will buy a Legendary Pack for Myself and up to 5 other Forums users that can convice me otherwise.¹

Till then, ive got things to go back to. Stay safe & have fun ppl.

JP

¹ Limited Offer last from now to July 15 2012.

[Emn1ty]

Jade Kitsune, on 20 June 2012 - 02:30 AM, said:

No offense mate... but you seem butthurt that a company, that's making a F2P game, putting quite literally blood sweat and tears into is... is trying to get a bit of money?

Bro, are you aware that a Lifetime membership to a game like Star Trek Online is $300?[btw, STO is now f2p] They're asking for under half of that for the highest tier founders pack...

You're paying for NO advantage with this... what are you paying for... convience... a 'premium' membership gives you a bonus to C-bill and Experience gain for your pilot. The founders mechs, which are fundimentally the same mechs as the standard[meaning they have the SAME hardpoints and the SAME crit space] as the normal versions of said mechs other than when you play with them, you gain extra c-bills in the match.

THAT IS IT... oh and for the $120 buy, you get a unique little icon for the forums, and your name in the credits of the game. That's pretty damn cool [atleast the last bit, I could care less about the forum icon.]

Don't forget you get $80 worth of in game credit, which basically means you get the most expensive pack for $40+$80 to spend on in-game stuff. The former two give you more than you pay for in returns ($60 = $80 of in-game credit, $30 = $40 of in-game credit). At least that's the way I understood it.

[RaNDoMPReCiSioN]

Buy it or don't buy it - who cares?
It's a choice pure and simple and you won't go to hell if you don't!
Jeez get a grip all you nay-sayers.

The marketing plan is no different to any other F2P AAA title, except they are starting as F2P. I can cite many other games that started as full retail products then turned into F2P. My all time fave is Team Fortress 2. I paid for that game as part of the Orange Box and never regretted it to this day. It is now F2P with microshop transactions as an alternative means of income for the company. It works extremely well and does not give anyone a distinct advantage in terms of gameplay.

I am not against the founders package deals but $120 does seem a lot any way you look at it. The Elite deal sounds reasonable.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

RaNDoMPReCiSioN, on 20 June 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

Buy it or don't buy it - who cares?

the devs lol

thats a joke, not a troll -.-

[PirateLincoln]

Clearly OP is a brilliant economist, he noticed this before after everyone else did.

[Chasraz]

just thought I would share this , And I am only saying it because I care . There are some brands of decafinated coffee that taste just as good as the real thing .

[Zezel]

514yer, on 20 June 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

Honestly though, to repeat my question:

How exactly were you planning on them making money with the game before launch?

If they cant sell the game, they cant have the community support the game directly, how do they make money pre launch?

Might be the whole issue with the MMO world now............looking to make money before the product or service is rendered.

[CCC Dober]

Jason Phoenix, on 20 June 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

I think I understand what you mean.

Tell you what, convince me that I have no reason whatsoever to be concerned with the Direction MW:O has taken and I will buy a Legendary Pack for Myself and up to 5 other Forums users that can convice me otherwise.¹

Till then, ive got things to go back to. Stay safe & have fun ppl.

JP

¹ Limited Offer last from now to July 15 2012.

Let all that has been said and shown sink in (it is a lot). Then make your move.
If I wouldn't know better, then I'd say you are already convinced LOL

Cheers