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[Gyrok]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 July 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

I have a vicious brawling DW-B, and I agree, in general, a well designed D-DC is superior, because of the mobility and arm reflex, I often can't being a huge part of firepower to bear in CQB with more mobile opponents. Carrying 2 LB-20x, 4 MG, 2 ER Large and a LPL, it's an ambush predator. But toe to toe, even though the atlas has less tonnage of weaponry, the FLD and mobility are a huge difference.


huh. I see lots of guys running em just fine.

Guess it's weeding out the bads and wannabes.

This, DW is an ambush/support mech. You position yourself to take advantage of an enemy mistake and wreck face. If you get caught out of position or get flanked...you are on the face wrecked end of things.

Edited by Gyrok, 24 July 2014 - 02:03 PM.

[Kiiyor]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 July 2014 - 02:01 PM, said:

betting in todays PC culture, with everything going on, this could NEVER be run now.....

Well, we know what those people need...

[PlzDie]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 July 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

huh. I see lots of guys running em just fine.

Guess it's weeding out the bads and wannabes.

Or maybe people are just getting tired of being cored in short order, I don't have a problem in hitting lights or mediums with PPC's or ballistic weapons, so why should anybody else?

Edited by Duppie1974, 24 July 2014 - 02:18 PM.

[Roland]

”the arm mobility of the atlas makes it totally superior to the dwolf!"
(Carries only two medium lasers in his arms)

[Gyrok]

Roland, on 24 July 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

”the arm mobility of the atlas makes it totally superior to the dwolf!"
(Carries only two medium lasers in his arms)

Ok...

Advantages of the Atlas:

-Faster
-Better torso twist RANGE
-FASTER torso twist
-More arm mobility
-Faster turning
-ECM
-Unlocked engine size
-Unlocked internals


Advantages DW:
-MOAR GUNZ!!!

Hmm...yeah...

[PlzDie]

Roland, on 24 July 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

”the arm mobility of the atlas makes it totally superior to the dwolf!"
(Carries only two medium lasers in his arms)

Those 10 points of damage can totally wreck a DW.

[Bishop Steiner]

Roland, on 24 July 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

”the arm mobility of the atlas makes it totally superior to the dwolf!"
(Carries only two medium lasers in his arms)

yup, because landing 10 pts of damage on a cored section while staying out of your opponents arc of fire is never an advantage........

Duppie1974, on 24 July 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

Those 10 points of damage can totally wreck a DW.

at the beginning of a match, perhaps not. By the end? Sorry you can't think past the most basic and obvious details of a fight.

[Roland]

Your statements totally make sense, and are not at all ridiculous.

[PlzDie]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 July 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

yup, because landing 10 pts of damage on a cored section while staying out of your opponents arc of fire is never an advantage........


at the beginning of a match, perhaps not. By the end? Sorry you can't think past the most basic and obvious details of a fight.

I use the Atlas more than any other mech I own and I think I am good enough in it to hold my own. Usually by the end of a fight either one or both of those ML are not attached to the Atlas anymore cause everybody tries to take out the AC's and Missiles, and by twisting torso to protect the larger weapons I lose my arms first.

Or maybe it is that I am not as elite as you think you are?

And please try to write a post without insulting other people, it shows your IQ.

[Bishop Steiner]

Duppie1974, on 24 July 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

I use the Atlas more than any other mech I own and I think I am good enough in it to hold my own. Usually by the end of a fight either one or both of those ML are not attached to the Atlas anymore cause everybody tries to take out the AC's and Missiles, and by twisting torso to protect the larger weapons I lose my arms first.

Or maybe it is that I am not as elite as you think you are?

And please try to write a post without insulting other people, it shows your IQ.

yes, because smug, snarky comments aren't backhanded insults at people...just without the balls to address them directly.

But hey, it's good for you to realize you are not that good. It's the first step of getting better.

[XxXAbsolutZeroXxX]

D'aww.

What's a DireCow with a few gauss and PPC's?

Something in dire need of wildlife conservation efforts, I tend to think.



.

[Angel of Annihilation]

Duppie1974, on 24 July 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

Or maybe people are just getting tired of being cored in short order, I don't have a problem in hitting lights or mediums with PPC's or ballistic weapons, so why should anybody else?

Your in the minority then because MOST people have trouble hitting lights and some fast mediums with Gauss and PPC shots.

I see it happening all the time. The entire team will be firing at a light mech running around dodging between their legs and it keeps running and running and running and running as these team fire off enough firepower to take out a dozen assault mechs, a good portion of that fire, actually tearing into their own teammates in their frenzy to kill the light mech. Then maybe after two minutes of frantic fire, if the light hasn't run off laughing, maybe someone will connect with one of those pin point bursts that shatter the light mech or at least takes off a leg finally slowing it down to the point you can actually hit it.

Of course then these lights, who have spend the last 2-3 mins dodging enough firepower to take out a small city, start crying that it isn't fair when someone finally actually manages to content with them solidly and kill them.

What they don't take into account, is that the mighty Direwolf, exposed to even a 10th of the firepower, for even a 10th of the time as that light mech who has just spend 2 mins dodging everything, explodes like a sun going Nova. But hey, the Dire Wolf has lotz O' Weapons so he is OP right?

Edited by Viktor Drake, 24 July 2014 - 02:47 PM.

[PlzDie]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 July 2014 - 02:37 PM, said:

yes, because smug, snarky comments aren't backhanded insults at people...just without the balls to address them directly.

But hey, it's good for you to realize you are not that good. It's the first step of getting better.

You should know 90% of your posts on these forums is filled smug and snark, I am sure you will have a fantastically insulting come back, so go at it I promise I will not respond.

I am not going to argue with some nobody on the internet, about a video game and who is best.

[Bishop Steiner]

Duppie1974, on 24 July 2014 - 02:48 PM, said:

You should know 90% of your posts on these forums is filled smug and snark, I am sure you will have a fantastically insulting come back, so go at it I promise I will not respond.

I am not going to argue with some nobody on the internet, about a video game and who is best.

lolz.

When the lies and fallacies are pointed out, look how quickly you revert to form. thanks for proving my point. buh bye.

Anyhow, now that we know you have nothing to offer, moving on to useful comments.........

[PlzDie]

Viktor Drake, on 24 July 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

Your in the minority then because MOST people have trouble hitting lights and some fast mediums with Gauss and PPC shots.

I see it happening all the time. The entire team will be firing at a light mech running around dodging between their legs and it keeps running and running and running and running as these team fire off enough firepower to take out a dozen assault mechs, a good portion of that fire, actually tearing into their own teammates in their frenzy to kill the light mech. Then maybe after two minutes of frantic fire, if the light hasn't run off laughing, maybe someone will connect with one of those pin point bursts that shatter the light mech or at least takes off a leg finally slowing it down to the point you can actually hit it.

Of course then these lights, who have spend the last 2-3 mins dodging enough firepower to take out a small city, start crying that it isn't fair when someone finally actually manages to content with them solidly and kill them.

What they don't take into account, is that the mighty Direwolf, exposed to even a 10th of the firepower, for even a 10th of the time as that light mech who has just spend 2 mins dodging everything, explodes like a sun going Nova. But hey, the Dire Wolf has lotz O' Weapons so he is OP right?

I never said the DW is OP.

[Gas Guzzler]

Mcgral18, on 24 July 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

Now, if we had the King Crab with 2 B and 2 E...would you still bring SRMs?

Pair of AC20s, either 1 or 2 PPCs, although some variants will also have 1 or 2 M.


SRMs are still in a sad state, but no longer worthless. I can't call them good weapons, they do mediocre damage for their maximum range, and all that damage is spread. Their saving grace is that they are light, at the cost of everything else.

Hot, bad ammo consumption, poor damage mechanic (CoF), one of the shortest range weapons in the game.

I don't know, that Timber Wolf that relies on 24 SRMs with Artemis as its primary weapon with 4 ER Mediums says otherwise.

[Kubernetes]

Viktor Drake, on 24 July 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

Your in the minority then because MOST people have trouble hitting lights and some fast mediums with Gauss and PPC shots.

True, if people were half as good as they claimed then every light and medium would be dead in the first minute of a match.

The DW's weaknesses balance out its strengths. It's pretty helpless one on one against a faster mech (I saw one go from 100% to dead in two minutes against a lone Spider), but at the front of a skirmish line it's brutal. Walking into a tight space in my Phract or TWolf I'm not too worried about facing an Atlas one-on-one -- I know I can blow out a side torso and halve its firepower very quickly. But a DW? That's almost certain death.

[Be Rough With Me Plz]

Duppie1974, on 24 July 2014 - 02:51 PM, said:

I never said the DW is OP.

It's the association they're making between the B.S. loadout and the only Mech able to equip that loadout, the DWF. I remember someone posting a build on an IS mech with similar loadout, but I doubt it's as effective as on a DWF with all the extra armor.

The issue is the PP damage with the way convergence works in this game. Throw in the ability to repeat those Alpha Strikes multiple times before shutting down and it's more powerful than anything else in the game.

Instead of addressing the issue, they try and ridicule people by obfuscating the issue and demeaning them with "DWF is OPZ lulz".

What people are really criticizing:
A (loadout) is bullshit and only B (DWF) can use it (paywall/P2W). Just because B can equip A doesn't in and of itself make B an issue. The fact that there is no IS Assault to match it galvanizes this issue even more.

The "DWF is OPZ lulz" people are turning it into:
B(DWF) is bullshit because it can use A (loadout). So, to them, they think all the criticism is on B, when it's really all on A. The only reason B gets discussed is because these people are the ones that bring B into the conversation. They're not addressing the actual valid concern of A. They should take a course in Logic.

The conversation should remain solely on A and the PP convergence and multiple Alpha Strikes that make A a problem.



The response to the condescending people is, "lulz your counter-argument is guilt by association ggclose."

Edited by Be Rough With Me Plz, 24 July 2014 - 03:50 PM.

[Naelbis]

At Least lights and faster mediums have a chance to avoid that alpha. My Atlas gets cored out/loses most its firepower in 3 hits or less from that configuration. Head to head I generally carry more alpha, but mine isn't pinpoint so I will die before he does unless I get lucky. That assumes that I can't come in at him from the side/rear, in which case I'll eat him for lunch unless I make that big mistake.

Edited by Naelbis, 24 July 2014 - 03:36 PM.

[Be Rough With Me Plz]

Gyrok, on 24 July 2014 - 02:21 PM, said:

Ok...

Advantages of the Atlas:

-Faster
-Better torso twist RANGE
-FASTER torso twist
-More arm mobility
-Faster turning
-ECM
-Unlocked engine size
-Unlocked internals


Advantages DW:
-MOAR GUNZ!!!

Hmm...yeah...

Who cares about the 700+ more yards of effective engagement envelope, right? That gives the DWF the time to shoot 3 Alphas before the Atlas can respond in any significant way. That 700 yards negates every single one of the advantages you listed for the Atlas. And you were the one to talk about glossing over cons?