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[Jake 451]

I am hearing talk that the Dire Wolf is too powerful and that changes may be made to tone it down a bit. I don't have one but I want to get one as it looks like a fun mech to use with all that punch. One thing I have to say is that I am afraid of Dire Wolfs.....I think that is a good thing as we should be afraid of a 100 ton mech! This takes me to the Atlas.....I hate to say it but if I am not afraid of coming up against an Atlas, I don't always come out on the winning end but I know with a few good hits I can put them out of the fight very quickly. Maybe the Atlas needs to be toughened up a bit to make it the feared mech that it should be. I have a couple of Atlas DDCs and I was very disappointed to lose the 3rd module slot that I could use as I liked to run Hill Climb, Improved Gyros and Seismic. I was running Radar Deprivation instead of Hill Climb when that came out. Now I have to give up something else. The DDC just doesn't cut it anymore. I am hoping with all the new Quirks and tweaks they are doing with the IS mechs that they are adding to them and not Nerfing them. Guess it turned into a bit of a rant but I do like my IS mechs but it seems they are getting nerfed all the time when I get a loadout that I like!

[Odins Fist]

Jake 451, on 07 August 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

I hate to say it but if I am not afraid of coming up against an Atlas,

You have been fighting the wrong Atlases...

Edited by Odins Fist, 07 August 2014 - 03:22 PM.

[Willard Phule]

Dear God, no. I'd MUCH rather go up against a Dire Whale than an Atlas....provided, of course, the Atlas was put together by someone competent.

Dire Whales are Easy Mode to kill. Target one side, wipe it and take 50% of their firepower...then go for the other. Wash, rinse, repeat. I'd much rather go after them than a Timberwolf.

Atlai..Atlases...whatever...if they've got a standard engine can put the whoop-ass on you before you core them. Unless, of course, some idiot built it as an LRM boat...then, by all means, get close and take their legs (that's where the ammo is).

[Impyrium]

I fought a Dire Wolf in my DDC once. Dual UltraAC5s do magic against oversized side torsos. I suppose you could say its situation was... dire.

[Khobai]

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Dear God, no. I'd MUCH rather go up against a Dire Whale than an Atlas....provided, of course, the Atlas was put together by someone competent.

Dire Whales are Easy Mode to kill. Target one side, wipe it and take 50% of their firepower...then go for the other. Wash, rinse, repeat. I'd much rather go after them than a Timberwolf.

Your reasoning makes no sense. Because if you target an Atlas' side torso it loses 50% of its firepower too.

Plus theres the fact a Dire Wolf at 50% firepower still has the same amount of firepower as an Atlas at 100%.

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Atlai..Atlases...whatever...if they've got a standard engine can put the whoop-ass on you before you core them. Unless, of course, some idiot built it as an LRM boat...then, by all means, get close and take their legs (that's where the ammo is).

Again your reasoning makes no sense. The Dire Wolf and Atlas have the same CT armor so it takes an equal amount of damage to destroy both with CT damage. And it takes more damage to destroy a clan XL by destroying both of the Dire Wolf's side torsos than if you just destroyed its CT.

The reality is the Dire Wolf is superior to the Atlas in almost every way possible aside from being slightly slower and not having ECM. No one in their right mind would rather fight a Dire Wolf than an Atlas.

Edited by Khobai, 08 August 2014 - 12:06 AM.

[100 Tonne]

I would like to see the atlas get an armour quirk buff like the awesome

[FDJustin]

Atlas plural: Atlases or Atlantes. (Almost sounds male and female.)

As a slow light pilot, I don't like facing either of them. The Atlas' beady little eyes are more intimidating than it's arsenal...

[Nauht]

Willard Phule, on 07 August 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

Atlai..Atlases...whatever...if they've got a standard engine can put the whoop-ass on you before you core them. Unless, of course, some idiot built it as an LRM boat...then, by all means, get close and take their legs (that's where the ammo is).

I rate pure LRM Atlases up there with flamer Awesomes - utter waste of a mech.

But yeah, the DW, literally a barn on two legs that's the slowest mech in the game.
Those that complain about the firepower are those that continue to stand in front of it trading shot for shot.

[The Blood God]

FDJustin, on 07 August 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

Atlas plural: Atlases or Atlantes. (Almost sounds male and female.)

As a slow light pilot, I don't like facing either of them. The Atlas' beady little eyes are more intimidating than it's arsenal...

i like at-lie

[Axeface]

Willard Phule, on 07 August 2014 - 03:34 PM, said:

Dire Whales are Easy Mode to kill. Target one side, wipe it and take 50% of their firepower...then go for the other. Wash, rinse, repeat. I'd much rather go after them than a Timberwolf.

What the hell are you talking about?
You shoot one side of an atlas off and his weapons magically hover in mid air and still fire?

The insanity on these forums is astonishing.

[Nauht]

FDJustin, on 07 August 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

Atlas plural: Atlases or Atlantes. (Almost sounds male and female.)

As a slow light pilot, I don't like facing either of them. The Atlas' beady little eyes are more intimidating than it's arsenal...

I agree with you. That's grammatically correct.

However when there were big discussions about this particular topic PGI did refer to the plural, for MWO, as Atlai. And that kind of settled the matter.
Bugged me too and still does but it's their game and they got creative license and whatnot. Kinda like muggles.
Doesn't mean I'm gonna descend to dumb and use it though.

[Ted Wayz]

Love to take lights and mobile mediums against Dire Wolves. Especially DWs with multiple ACs. Just dance around them and slowly whittle them away.

Atlas are a bit more mobile and twisty. I wait for them to engage another target in the same situation.

Sorry, but I would rather face a DW.

[Impyrium]

In my opinion, Dire Wolves suffer the same as the Awesome. It has firepower, and it can dish it out quickly, but it's slow and incredibly easy to kill as long as it's not focused on you and you don't have cover. The Atlas I see on the battlefield tend to survive much longer.

[Willard Phule]

Khobai, on 07 August 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Your reasoning makes no sense. Because if you target an Atlas' side torso it loses 50% of its firepower too.

Again, let's assume that the Atlas was built by someone competent. Depending on the chassis, all you've done is get rid of missiles or ballistics. The other side still remains. I haven't piloted anything but my TW since I bought it (2 CERLL, 4 CERML, TC5) and I have WAY more trouble dealing with Atlases than I do Dire Whales.

Khobai, on 07 August 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Plus theres the fact a Dire Wolf at 50% firepower still has the same amount of firepower of an Atlas at 100%.

....and the half that's left has a seriously limited firing arc. He has to expose it to you to to shoot at you. Maybe it's just my build but I can take a side torso in 2 volleys. I can handle one from him before I wipe it out. Maybe it's the ability to hold a laze on target but, whatever, I still don't have a problem with it. Works for Timberwolves, too, by the way. Go for the sides, ignore the center.

Khobai, on 07 August 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

Again your reasoning makes no sense. The Dire Wolf and Atlas have the same CT armor so it takes an equal amount of damage to destroy both with CT damage. And it takes more damage to destroy a clan XL by destroying both of the Dire Wolf's side torsos than if you just destroyed its CT.

Ok, whatever, it's not worth arguing with you. Dire Whales are overpowered. Let's nerf them. Works for me, I don't drive one. I still have NO PROBLEM taking them down with my TW.

Khobai, on 07 August 2014 - 03:46 PM, said:

The reality is the Dire Wolf is superior to the Atlas in almost every way possible aside from being slightly slower and not having ECM. No one in their right mind would rather fight a Dire Wolf than an Atlas.

Okeedokee, smokee. You're the authority. Let's nerf them to hell and back. Take away everything. Hell, let's give them one hardpoint in each location and take away half their armor while cutting their torso twist speed. Let's make them paper tigers. I'm up for it. It's a derp mech anyway...same as the Atlas. About 5% of Assault pilots can make a decent Atlas anyway. Hey, let's nerf Atlases while we're at it, too. I love to grind cbills on components destroyed.

[Khobai]

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I still have NO PROBLEM taking them down with my TW.

I would hope not since TWs are way overpowered. Cant wait for them to get smacked with the nerf stick as hard as the Victor.

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Atlas are a bit more mobile and twisty. I wait for them to engage another target in the same situation.

The Dire Wolf with the turning/torso quirks has the equivalent of a 330 engine for turning and a 315 engine for torso twisting. Most Atlases run a 325 engine so the Dire Wolf has slightly better turning and slightly worse torso twist. It also has slightly less speed (4 kph less). Any claim of the Atlas being way more agile is gross exaggeration.

The Atlas D-DC also only has 2 lasers in its arms while the Dire Wolf carries the majority of its firepower in its arms. So the Dire Wolf wins on arm agility as well. The Dire Wolf can even have limited left to right movement on its arms if you build it right. A properly built Dire Wolf arguably has better agility than a D-DC.

Quite frankly if people arnt afraid of Dire Wolves its because the players piloting them are BAD.

Edited by Khobai, 08 August 2014 - 12:19 AM.

[El Bandito]

Jake 451, on 07 August 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

One thing I have to say is that I am afraid of Dire Wolfs.....I think that is a good thing as we should be afraid of a 100 ton mech! This takes me to the Atlas.....I hate to say it but if I am not afraid of coming up against an Atlas

Give the Atlas back its glowing eyes. That will scare some folks.

No seriously, give them back.

[Khobai]

I agree with giving back its glowing eyes.

However what the Atlas really needs is a damage reduction quirk for its side torsos.

[PapaBear40312]

Dire Wolves may have all that fire power, and you should fear one every time you come up against one, but they are only as good as the pilot in the cockpit. As for the Atlas, I still try to keep my distance from them until I have more friendlies with me or I know it's about to go down. I just had a match last night where I was in my Atlas (because I was not doing so well in my clan mechs not a single win after 5 matches) and I came across two Dire Wolves. Granted they had taken some damage already (some orange spots in some armor location but no internal damage) but after I depleted my LRM ammo I moved in to finish them off no problem. And my Atlas is a AS7-D founders edition that for the most part is stock except for the heat sinks and the added AMS. You can never count out an Atlas in any fight, unless the pilot is inexperienced and doesn't know how to utilize their mech properly. Out of all the 30 mechs I own my AS7-D(F) is still my favorite.

[MATRAKA14]

Its a matter of range, dire wolf bastly wins at long range, atlas easily wins at short range. Dont believe me? try the ddc with std 350 3 srm 6+artemis 1 ac 20 and 2 ml.
Also try any atlas with a std 350 it's quite agile for a 100 ton mech. but the fact is that now days you have to be really creative to get close to the enemy and not get alone against the entire enemy team, also alpine peaks and the lack of cover, it's more difficult than stay still shooting at things.

[Y E O N N E]

Try the D-DC with two UAC/5, two ML, and 3 SRM6+A. It melts faces incredibly fast with much less heat. A similar build also works on the AS7-D.