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[Argon3]

Legs are part of the mech too

If you are slow enough are silly enough to give me a good shot at ANY weak part of your mech
Expect incoming fire
I will of course shoot you in the torso if that is already stripped of armor
That is the game


Any hacking or anything that I have to do outside of normal game mechanics is a no no

[Ricama]

Belorion, on 24 June 2012 - 06:28 AM, said:

Old debate, new game...

Old article, still applies: http://www.sirlin.ne...win-part-1.html

If you don't like legging, find a tactic to counter it. Going for the weak spot is just good strategy.

Remember, if you are not playing to win, then you are playing to lose.

I don't like the term exploits as that term tends to get picked up by the whinner that's not fair crowd to describe things that are not exploits. Bugs, and hacks shouldn't be used. Beyond that everything is fair game.

One thing missing from that artical is the FotM players, in the example people who take ryu and expect to win, even calling you cheep if you can beat the top character with something else.

I intend to make full use of the mechlab, not to make a clone of someone else's 'best design' but to tune my mech to work directly with my style. Many people think I should stick with the official variants, I have a feeling these people don't understand just how much the stock designs suck.

[Shirefolk]

As others have said, it is a competition. You use the tools given to succeed. If your opponent has all heavies and assault mechs and rushed the midfield, you would be an ***** if your light mechs did not cap their base. "You cheated, we can't stop you!" Well, you should have chosen a balanced squad.

I play a lot of League of Legends. This comes up a lot at beginner fights. Some team will 'backdoor'. That is, they will destroy the enemy structure / base while the enemy is all on the other side of the map engaged with the other four players. (5v5) The thing is, it is strategy. Find your opponents weak spot and use it.

Now, this is different than exploiting. Exploiting is taking advantage of an unintended feature of the game. Say that you are able to fall into a building just right so that it acts as a shield but you can still fire out unhindered. That is an exploit and should not be used.

[JFlash49]

ok, no body likes a dirty pilot (cutting all that stuff out with hacking and what not) but its safe to say (i just threw in my mechwarriors 4: mercs disc and had a go at an assault mech) if we're both about to wall, or your mech can dish out better than mine, i will leg you bro and if i gotit, i will hop too. lol

[LogicalTightRope]

Playing to win IS playing fair, unless you abuse a glitch. Legging, head shooting, back hitting, etc. are all fair game.

It's the victim's job to make sure he's ready - that he's not a cannon with glass legs, alone, etc. My job is to mop up as many enemies as I can and get the objective, shamelessly slaughtering every helpless victim in my way.

Edited by LogicalTightRope, 27 June 2012 - 03:04 PM.

[Deathwalker]

I think every person here would love to say "Play Fair" but to be honest when it comes down to it and you hopping around on one leg, you gonna go for the headshot or alpha into their leg or back. thats just how it is. We all play to win or we would not play

[MuffinTop]

Just as others have said, legging is part of the game. Even if a Jenner knocks down an Atlas, after jumping from a high ledge then so be it.

[light487]

If no one ever "legged" because of "fairness" then people would start stacking all of their ammo and other stuff there and removing all of the armor from there. I'll play with honor.. but I will play to win.

[CmdrSpider]

In a real battle there's no such thing as playing fair. Oh I know there's the Geneva Convention if your talking old school and the U.S. isn't going to pop a nuke on someone just because were losing a scimmish. But when you fight you fight to win and you use whatever's at your disposal to make it happen. And when your outnumbered, out gunned or out massed you had better utilize whatever equalizers you can unless you want you ejector seat to launch you out of the battle.

Now if your talking about those who would just something outside the game (hacks) or some inside the game glitch to give them an advantage or the win then the answer is absolutely without question "NO." Cheating in a game defeats the entire premise of gaming. If your not going to play by the rules don't bother coming into the game and ruining everyone else gaming experience.

Cheaters are one of the main reason I only play against friends or against NPC's in CA. I my hope is that the MW community and its developers will have an absolute "NO TOLERANCE" policy against such abuse of the game.

Good Hunting,

CmdrSpider

[Chiyeko Kuramochi]

"If you find yourself in a fair fight you did something wrong"

"Inter arma enim silent leges" (In times of war the law falls silent)

"All is fair in love and war"

"War is not about being fair or nice, it is about shooting down the other poor son of a ***** before he shoots you or one of your comrades"

Etc, etc ,etc ,etc and well etc.


Guess that sums up my statement, I do anything to win (as long as it doesn't get my account banned of course)

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

You speak as if these choices are not one in the same. Simply by playing to win you will most likely be playing "fairly", aka not using hacks/exploits. If that isn't what you mean, then you'd have to be more specific.

[Odweaver]

...While in an Urbanmech

[Kraven Kor]

"I'll kill a man in a fair fight. Or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight. Or if there's a woman, or money... mostly if there's money..."

Bluten, on 27 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

You speak as if these choices are not one in the same. Simply by playing to win you will most likely be playing "fairly", aka not using hacks/exploits. If that isn't what you mean, then you'd have to be more specific.

There are kind of two different epochs of Battletech. At one point, the mechs were so rare that the fights were more like arranged duels, with the loser powering down and surrendering long before the mech was destroyed, etc.

Then they rebuilt the factories, and it went back to the "Kill 'em all, let #powersthatbe sort it out" by the 3040 era or so.

[Incunabulum]

Play to win but - don't be an ******** about it.

[SuomiWarder]

My definition of playing fair is to not use game bugs and exploits. LIke if there was a building you could walk into from one side and be undetectable. I don't see that as "knowing the terrain" or tactical knowledge - that's just doing something that should not be possible. Same for game hacks, aim bots, etc.

Other than than, anything goes (ambushes, head or leg shots, dog piling on one enemy) unless you made an agreement with the enemy on something. If you agree to single combat, or that you won't fire on a mech under your own weight, or whatever before a match then honor dictates that you play by your word for that match.

[Madrix]

Poll precedes from the false assumption that playing to win is inherently "unfair". Straw-man argument ignored.

[Tussock]

If you do not play to win and do everything within your power (and the rules) to do so; you are not respecting your opponents or team mates.

I'll strip your guns and leg you if it benefits my team... Honour the team

I'll give you the hardest fight I can... Honour your opponent

Honour on the battlefield is a questionable thing... What is fair and honourable is truly subjective... Some folk hate legging... Some folk think Zelbriggen isn't the dumbest and most wasteful form of 'mech combat there is...

[Ironbrigade]

Where is play for fun?

[light487]

All these people talking about hacks and cheats.. ***?

The original intent of the post was whether you'd play fair.. not whether or not you would cheat.

Playing fair has nothing to do with cheating.. it has to do with playing honorably.. or ignoring all honor and just taking any advantage, strategically/tactically, regardless of whether it is honoroable or not.. killing people.. like legging can be often seen as a cheesey and dishonorable way of killing..

[Bastion117]

The object of war is to see who can make the fight as unfair as possible. I play to win.