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[Ted Wayz]

Why would they have to rush out the IS Clan Buster pack if the King Crab was based on a pre-order? Put down $240 and waited months for the clan pack. You should enjoy the same experience.

In any case, same risk to get the same reward.

[dario03]

Dark DeLaurel, on 18 September 2014 - 02:35 PM, said:

The people who bought MC around Phoenix were able to use their purchase right then and there. They were still able to just up and leave after their MC purchase after playing with their new shiny if they did not like what was going on. The people who bought the Phoenix pack could have walked away and called the loss of money a learning experience, as they had bought stuff sight unseen and unplayable. Back during the Founders days (hey look at that i got one of those fandangled tags) things were fun, things were progressing so any type of MC purchase at that point was worth it and still you got to see and use your purchase right then and there for instant gratification. Noticing a trend here?

Those that have bought MC are getting a reward `Mech, so I still fail to see just because it is not the `Mech you want why this an issue? There is nothing in the ToS stating that everybody will qualify for every reward ever and that there would even be rewards.

IIRC you could pre-order Phoenix all the way up to when it launched and ordering it earlier got you bonuses (so again value for added by buying early). So actually you could just buy Phoenix and get your stuff really quick. Though I'm still not sure why that would be a big deal, its not like the Phoenix mechs were revolutionary mechs that changed the game. You basically just pre-ordered a set of mechs that weren't in the game yet. And you don't always get instant gratification from buying MC. Again I'm not sure why you think that is such a big deal but since you have to buy MC in packs (similar to Phoenix) you don't just get to buy exactly what you need. And buying a bigger pack gets you more value. Plenty of people buy large packs of MC and then sit on it for a while waiting for the mechs they want to come out even if said mechs haven't been announced yet. And on top of that you couldn't use your banked MC to buy the Phoenix or clan packs.
So again the people that buy early and spend big all at once already get benefits. I don't see why the people that support the game at least as much as those people shouldn't get stuff just because they gave PGI money in a different way at a different time.

[ImperialKnight]

the whole point of the reward is to REWARD people who placed their money down in faith without having even seen anything deliverable. Same for Founders, same for Phoenix pack, same for Clan packs.

Didn't buy the top package when it was available? Started playing the game after Founders/Phoenix? DEAL WITH IT.

You can still buy the Masakari pack if you're really that hard up for a 30% CBill bonus King Crab

[Dunereaper]

PGI unless you need the money do not bring back the phoenix pack. The ship sailed and it would not be fair to those who gave support when it was needed.

[Mcguire]

My straight answer is, Buying the packs Founders, Phoenix, made me feel good when I got them because they had a limited time now there gone and I feel good that I got them, If you had a chance to buy a car but passed because it seemed like a crappy deal (I recall all the bad mouthing about money grabs Blah blah) Back to the car anyway someone buys that car finds a trunk full of money in it and now you want it? Wasn't such a crappy deal now was It lol? Well that's what happened all of a sudden there Is something really awesome tied to the backside of the deal and everyone wants it, NO NO NO You had your chance sorry.
Anyway peace and love enjoy the game.

[Solomon Ward]

CHH Badkarma, on 18 September 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

This thread needs to be locked. I am sick of all the people crying. it serves no useful purpose

Trust me i also find some people in this thread sickening but locking this thread because people have a different point of view and you don´t want to look at it any longer ?

That said i think this thread fullfilled its purpose and Russ acknowledged it.
We will see what comes from this in the future.

Two fronts are just spinning in circles now.

[DarthPeanut]

Didn't the previous packages all give mechs with cbill bonus. Also didn't they include premium time, mech bays, and MC in some packages. I know I will catch a bunch of **** for saying it but the way people talk they act like the phoenix and founders package buyers got totally shafted for cash with no perks.

Sounds like a decent deal considering, especially looking at what the Clan packages cost.

The special skinned King Crab is not that serious. I do not want a Phoenix or Founders pack. Like I said, hope they offer packages following this format sometime in the future when we get to the point of more IS mechs in the timeline.

Edited to clarify.

Edited by DarthPeanut, 18 September 2014 - 03:25 PM.

[beerandasmoke]

If you guys keep complaining they probably wont do this again. There will be a clanbuster pack. There will be a KingCrab available in January that you can purchase without having to invest in a pack. Its just a freaking month calm down.

[ShadowbaneX]

Dark DeLaurel, on 18 September 2014 - 03:52 AM, said:

Before I start read this post before you start going on about affording things. http://mwomercs.com/...00#entry3732700

If you couldn't afford it at that time so be it, not everyone could. Good luck for the next package(s), but asking to get in on the rewards for previous packages by reissuing stuff that at the time you were unable to attain devalues those packages as they are no longer limited like what was stated.

(snip)

yup amended by crapping on those that did all the pre-ordering. Just wait for future rewards and enjoy what you have now.

And here we go again...ok, what value do those packages have? Right now, how much can you get for what you got? Pretty much nothing. Sure you might be able to find someone out there on Craig's List that you can sell your account to (although I'm pretty sure that violates the ToS), but other than that, there is no value to those packages.

As for the latter, I'm not crapping on myself. I did pre-order, again, I was unemployed at the time and couldn't afford it. Now? I got a job, I can afford it, I can even afford the Clan packages. I hate the Clans, I will not be buying those. Odd that you can still buy and upgrade those, when, iirc, they were only supposed to be for a limited time, but they're not. So, why can't I upgrade my Phoenix pack? Because a bunch of people are getting stuff that others want, and for reasons, they don't want other people to get able to get that stuff as well.

[Kell Commander]

I know a lot of people do not like the idea of bringing back the Founder's pack or the Phoenix pack, and I understand why. At the same time though, Clan pack has been available longer than Phoenix was.

Honestly though I think a new IS pack would be the best way to go about it.
Hermes or Hussar light
Wyvern or Hatchetman medium
Champion or Blacknight heavy
Zeus or Cyclops assault

If they want to bring back Founders or Phoenix mechs, just take away the special geometry so the limited time buyers still got something special. Otherwise, who cares?

[Naduk]

Russ Bullock, on 17 September 2014 - 11:45 PM, said:

Very interesting thread.

I see the desire from our IS pilots, but I don't know what the best solution is yet.

the only solution is to design a NEW pack
do NOT release anything you have already done especaly when words like exclusive were used, for every 1 person you make happy with a re-release you very much upset 15 more

create a Comstar Call to Arms pack
With news of the invasion spreading and the signs of mass panic starting to show, comstar grows very concerned
Comstar can no longer sit by, they confirm the threat but assure the public by a call to action
Join Comstar in the fight against the Invaders, DEFEND YOUR HOME!

comstar have been stockpiling mechs for hundreds of years
making mechs to include in the pack very easy and provide a fast way to give some gear out now and then a lot later on

pack contents
(my suggestions, based purely off a quick browsing of Sarna net, lore masters may have better ideas)
[mechs with a (c) indicate comstar variants and would be painted titanium white with comstar branding, the usual 30% cbill boost and if your able to in time perhaps some unique geometry different to old packs]

Assault
Battlemaster BLR-2C(c)
+2 standard Battlemasters
Thug THG-11E(c)
+2 standard Thugs

Heavy
Catapult CPLT-C5(c)
+2 standard Catapults
Black Knight BL-6-KNT(c)
+2 standard Black knights

Medium
Black jack BJ-4(c)
+2 standard Blackjacks
Raijin RJN101-A (c)
+2 standard Raijin

Light
Locust LCT-1Vb(c)
+2 standard Locusts
Spector SPR-5F(c)
+2 standard Spectors

round out the pack with the usual MC/preorder bonus's and rewards
this pack would then enable many to gain access to the King Crab causing so much ruckus

Edited by Naduk, 18 September 2014 - 04:49 PM.

[Valore]

IMHO, the Phoenix pack was really, really rubbish, especially in terms of giving you mechs that are competitive in the current meta.

So I'm all for people who bought Overlord to be the ones who luck out in the end.

I'm not really a fan of bringing the Phoenix pack back. Better to provide the same King Crab reward to people who buy a (singularly overpriced ) IS pack down the line.

[MischiefSC]

So lets make this clear -

PGI can always make new mechs, but that costs money and time and resources (that are not in use for CW for example).

Re-releasing existing packs costs them nothing and generates revenue.

The point of exclusivity is essentially paying extra so someone else *can't* have something.

Not a big fan of it.

I say that as someone who's bought all the packs available for me pretty much.

Re-release what you want, just re-brand and change it up a little. Not a bad option.

[ShadowbaneX]

How about another way of looking at it? People are ok with those that bought A La Carte packages upgrade to full Clan Packs to get the Mad Dog and the King Crab. What is this package is restricted to just those that purchases Phoenix packs and want to upgrade to Overlord?

[Barantor]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 September 2014 - 10:10 AM, said:

well, then not getting a free assault mech shouldn't be that big a loss for you?

Already getting the Atlas for free, since it is evidently a "top tier" avatar lol.

Just kinda disappointed that it wasn't in tiers like the packs are.

[Dark DeLaurel]

kamiko kross, on 18 September 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

This comment alone is why, I'm done with you on a permanent basis. You would not believe me if I told you about my personal situation on this score mate. I'm the LAST person left in my family line, cancer has taken it's toll far too deeply. Add a congenital, terminal lung disease to the last 3 generations of my family and YOU might understand how thoroughly disgusted I am you brought that up, in relation to a collection of pixels
This whole thing about the PP is just silly and a very poor reflection on people's values.
Welcome to my ignore list my friend.

Mods, I apologise for that post but this guy went over the mark somewhat. I will not continue to post.

I have lost most of the adult males on my fathers side to Cancer and both myself and my brother have high chances of developing it. So as I said open forum is NOT the place to talk about this, so yes I do actually understand where you are coming from but stop acting like a child in the matter.

[Lukoi Banacek]

lockwoodx, on 16 September 2014 - 04:35 AM, said:

Dear PGI, like many of your dedicated followers we've elected to create second accounts for the purpose of the upcoming clan wars. While the announcement of getting a free King Crab mech is very generous of you, unless we bought a top tier of the Founders/Phoenix pack eons ago, the only option IS purists have is to purchase clan mechs in order to get the King Crab onto our IS accounts.

That sucks.

On the other hand, the Phoenix variants of the Phoenix package were pretty spiffy, and I'd be willing to throw down on an Overlord package if it was made available again for the purpose of making sure only IS mechs along with the Crab reside in their proper place. I'd even be willing to forgo the Overlord forum badge and pre-order camo/paint so the early Phoenix adopters still feel like they got something special.

Please consider it,
Thank you

I dig it. Would be a nice way to go for IS purists especially.

[Desolator]

MischiefSC, on 18 September 2014 - 04:53 PM, said:

The point of exclusivity is essentially paying extra so someone else *can't* have something.

Not a big fan of it.

I say that as someone who's bought all the packs available for me pretty much.

The point of exclusivity isn't about paying extra. It's about belonging to something that few others belong to.

It's your choice to decide to belong or not. If you choose not to be, then you also don't get to be entitled to just enter the exclusive club when ever you decide.

[MischiefSC]

Desolator, on 18 September 2014 - 06:09 PM, said:

The point of exclusivity isn't about paying extra. It's about belonging to something that few others belong to.

It's your choice to decide to belong or not. If you choose not to be, then you also don't get to be entitled to just enter the exclusive club when ever you decide.

Unless you joined up front and paid extra for the chance - then, in order to make it profitable, the content has to be artificially restricted to prevent other people to get it and charged extra to the people who do buy it.

Call it what you want - the whole point of exclusivity is to ensure you get something that someone else doesn't. This isn't about limited production runs; this is digital content. There is no logical to restrict or limit it other than some people only paid money for it because they felt that by doing so they could keep many other people from also having it. Some of us did because we saw inherent value in the content; I don't care if everyone buys a Phoenix Overlord package. It's a good deal for the amount of content.

If someone only bought it because they felt that doing so made them special and that to protect that specialness they need to make sure other people do not have the option to spend the same money they did...

well, again. That's not a mindset I agree with. PGIs business decisions are their own but I absolutely vote for making content available to anyone who wants to pay for it.

[Desolator]

MischiefSC, on 18 September 2014 - 06:17 PM, said:

Unless you joined up front and paid extra for the chance - then, in order to make it profitable, the content has to be artificially restricted to prevent other people to get it and charged extra to the people who do buy it.

Call it what you want - the whole point of exclusivity is to ensure you get something that someone else doesn't. This isn't about limited production runs; this is digital content. There is no logical to restrict or limit it other than some people only paid money for it because they felt that by doing so they could keep many other people from also having it. Some of us did because we saw inherent value in the content; I don't care if everyone buys a Phoenix Overlord package. It's a good deal for the amount of content.

If someone only bought it because they felt that doing so made them special and that to protect that specialness they need to make sure other people do not have the option to spend the same money they did...

well, again. That's not a mindset I agree with. PGIs business decisions are their own but I absolutely vote for making content available to anyone who wants to pay for it.

Except there isn't any join up front and pay extra, They offer a limited item/service and you either choose to get it or you don't.
There is no paying extra.

You are completely talking about something other than exclusivity. The way you are presenting your arguement means that the Phoenix pack was release for $120 and if you paid and extra $50 no one else would be able to get it.
This is not how this game has worked or will ever work.
What they are actually doing is: From Date to Date you have the option to buy this package for $80.
You the customer are chosing whether or not you will be a part of that club. No one else is making that choice for you.

So you are saying they should re-release the Founder's bundles as well right?

I mean, because that is an exclusive club that people paid extra for and all.
Oh wait that would mean you aren't really a founder, yet you want those perks anyway. Because you feel like you are entitled to it.

Edited by Desolator, 18 September 2014 - 06:36 PM.