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[Scratx]

I'll be blunt.

I don't have much against existing Founders being allowed to upgrade. I can't possibly be convinced that there is any upside to allowing founder packs sold again to new players. It runs counter to what Founder means. You missed it, you lost it.

Phoenix mechs... *shrugs* I don't feel particularly invested in most of them. However, I feel that part of the price we paid for it is the unique geometry. And with that said...


... Come on, are you even trying, OP? Or are you trying to piss people off? Because if that's your goal, you just succeeded.

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Old Guard 'mechs use Founders geometry and pattern, but not paint or (F) designation

NOPE. NOPE NOPE NOPE. Forget it.

Founder mechs are for Founders. We were key to this game, we paid good money and put our faith in PGI to deliver their vision. We damn well deserve to have our special mechs stay special. I want my, and every other Founder's, mech to be instantly recognizable for what it is at a glance, not by looking at the variant.

Doing that would be the ultimate insult to every Founder.

I also believe selling the Phoenix mechs with unique geometry again would be a mistake, but I'm nowhere near in terms of caring about it.

Seriously, I don't see the point of the Old Guard part at all. Bah. Drop that part entirely.

[Malcolm Vordermark]

Malleus011, on 17 September 2014 - 10:17 AM, said:

What I was checking for was if changing the designation from

BLR-1G(P)
to
BLR-1G(A)

And changing the colors of the 'mechs would be enough to be considered 'different', or if that's too close to the limited content we got earlier.

I would consider the (P) designation, paint scheme, and any unique geometry off limits for a re release of the package. Otherwise I think it is fine. But if you're asking PGI to put together a pack of mechs to buys so you can get the King Crab without buying a Clan pack, why not ask for a better selection of mechs?

Actually I'm surprised we have seen some kind of "booster pack" yet. Where you get an assortment of mechs from different weight classes. I thought thats where they were going when the started releasing the mastery packs.

[Kyle Reece]

Rouken, on 17 September 2014 - 11:49 AM, said:

I would consider the (P) designation, paint scheme, and any unique geometry off limits for a re release of the package. Otherwise I think it is fine.

Me too. They were sold as a one time thing, they should stay a one time thing.

[Hoax415]

Releasing something you said was limited time outside of the limited time window is foolish.

If IS purists want a pack to run alongside Clan 2 so they can qualify for King Crab that isn't foolish but it doesn't need to be a lazy re-release of something that was promised as a limited time deal before.

I'm sure using all the existing IS mechs some kind of fair flexible $120 "top tier" package can be put together without reusing the Phoenix package.

[Kassatsu]

I wouldn't mind a re-release of them with champion variants and no special geometry or whatever. Although, as I rarely use my phoenix mechs I probably wouldn't be too butthurt over then re-releasing the (P) variants. Okay, who am I kidding, I'd be like super mad and raging all over the place, obviously.

Maybe give three set colors that aren't the phoenix colors rather than letting people choose, and have the default paint scheme of the champions in the packs those three colors? Hell, give them the hot rod camo and colors. Make them new ( R) variants ('r' as in 'response' so it fits with the (I) variants for "invasion", (P) variants for "phoenix" and (F) for "founder")

EDIT: Really? ( R) becomes ®?

Edited by Kassatsu, 17 September 2014 - 12:02 PM.

[Scratx]

What's really ridiculous about all of this is how people seem to be asking to be able to pay 80+ bucks on IS mechs for a mech that's only going to become available Dec. 16th. The same day it becomes available for MC. Which would cost far less than that.

I mean, I don't even... seriously?...

Seems like I suddenly stepped into the Twilight Zone.

[StalaggtIKE]

Sure, why not.

Edit: Missed the bit about founder mechs. Something about that does not sit well with me. They were a big part of making MWO come to fruition and thus should remain exclusive.

Edited by StalaggtIKE, 17 September 2014 - 12:16 PM.

[Xarian]

Scratx, on 17 September 2014 - 11:42 AM, said:

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I guess you would like those kids to stay off your lawn, eh? You supposedly became a founder to help the game and get in on the ground floor, not show off how much better you are than everybody else. How exactly is allowing existing founders to upgrade any better than allowing everyone? There are a great many people who have supported the game and PGI significantly more over the years than many founders; you don't hear the complaining that everyone is allowed buy MC...

[Xarian]

Hoax415, on 17 September 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

Releasing something you said was limited time outside of the limited time window is foolish.

Many games drive away customers with this sort of mentality. You discover a new game or find something cool, and you want to buy it! but you can't, because the developers made it artificially time-limited in order to inflate sales by some small amount. Then you get annoyed and go someplace else. Until games make this sort of thing transferrable (i.e. you can buy someone else's Legendary Founder status) then the only real solution is to have periodic "limited" sales.

And, honestly, the Founder mechs are not what your typical new player is going to want to play. If someone gets a big Founder package nowdays, it's because they want to support the game and/or collect everything in the game. Exclusivity is bad for business, and dwelling on it makes people miserable to be around.

[Mawai]

For whatever reason the top tier phoenix pack was marketed at $80.00. Every other top tier pack was either $120.00 or $240.00. I can understand the desire of folks to NOT have to buy clan mechs to get another iconic IS mech (the king crab).

I would support adding a $120.00 IS reinforcement pack of existing mechs to allow folks to take advantage of this offer but I don't think it should be priced less than the $120 clan pack.

[SgtMagor]

StalaggtIKE, on 17 September 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

Sure, why not.

Edit: Missed the bit about founder mechs. Something about that does not sit well with me. They were a big part of making MWO come to fruition and thus should remain exclusive.

right back at ya, I sought feel the same way about the PP mechs, they are no less special than the Founders oi!

[Roadkill]

Dracol, on 17 September 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

My two c-bills:

- Pre-order bonus items should not be included in any post release
- Unique geometry should not be available after the initial sale was concluded
- Hero mechs would be preferred due to c-bill bonus
- Prices should remain the same (30/60/90/120)

With that said, a package deal with Heroes and variants that also qualifies for the king crab would be fine in my opinion.

This.

Any variation of the original Phoenix or Founders packs is bad because it lessens the value of those packs. They were limited release, and they're no longer available. Sorry.

But I could support the idea of creating a new "emergency IS pack" by slapping together 4 Heroes with 2 variants of each and making it available. They've already sold most (if not all) of the Heroes for 50% off at various times, so selling them in a pack seems like it should work. Note: nothing new here - no badges, no Premium time, no titles - just a pack of existing Mechs for $120 (or whatever is appropriate) that would qualify for the King Crab gift Mech.

Might as well mine their existing data while they're at it... make it the Hero and then the 2 least used variants of that chassis. Less likely to conflict with what people already own that way.

[Jack Corban]

My final answer to re-releasing anything

[Warchild Corsair]

I had fun with my pack so why not let others buy it, too? I support it.

[Kassatsu]

Honestly, the mech packs should never STOP being sold. They should always be there - The time-limited little shoulder plates, forum badges and such? Those can stay time-limited, or give a "You didn't buy it in time but you can have this one instead" badge and maybe a smaller shoulder plate or more faded colors.

EDIT: Look at the current clan packs. No more badges or anything (I think?) but you still get the fancy mechs with their fixed camo pattern and c-bill bonus. Just no pre-order bonus warhorns, premium time etc. EDIT2: Just looked, still giving the badges and warhorns. Leave those as they are and never stop selling them.

Edited by Kassatsu, 17 September 2014 - 12:39 PM.

[Roadkill]

Xarian, on 17 September 2014 - 12:14 PM, said:

Exclusivity is bad for business

My experience from the business side of this industry is exactly opposite of what you think.

Exclusivity is good for business. It drives purchases by feeding the collector mentality. Limited editions and limited releases are a cornerstone of the free to play model.

[Dulahan]

I don't have an issue against it, personally...

Though I'd rather see a new IS pack come up ASAP that will count towards the reward.

[Horusv2]

I dont mind a reopening

[KamikazeRat]

So, in the original thread, i posted that i would want these things...i've thought about it, and no, i shouldnt get them. i didnt have the money when they were availible (i still really don't but hey, its only money) and i missed my chance.

so to reopening old packs. i would say no (although if they do, i would shamelessly buy it )

i am also not crazy about clan mechs, i bought 2 ala-carte. thats it, the rest didnt excite me. this new pack, theres really only one that even has me curious, so im not going to shell out 120 bucks for a new free shiny. but if they came out with an IS pack, as long as it wasn't just re-hashed hero mechs, i'd buy it, with enthusiasm. and whoo i'd get a free shiny on top. as a bonus.

im not clamoring for a IS pack to get the KC, i really couldn't care less about the "free one" the chassis itself interests me. but it will be availble for MC day 1, cbills shortly after. Im clamoring for a new IS pack because i want more IS prettys and shiny doodads, and a sticky-star to put by my name. One that actually means something to me.

for the right-now people: they have plenty of time to get this put together for everyone wanting for the free KC. all they have to do is not release the next 4 IS chassis they were probably going to release anyway and put them in a pack together instead of piecemeal. (or, i personally like the idea of the founder's chassis reborn, new geometry, new paint, instantly recognizable as something completely new and different ,so as not to step on any toes. sort of a nod to the legacy, perhaps.) so don't worry, if you absolutely have to get the special KC, you've got time to see what PGI does. worst case, im sure the clan wave 2 will still be open by then.

EDIT: sheesh. proofread, then post....

Edited by KamikazeRat, 17 September 2014 - 01:03 PM.

[Appogee]

I am a Phoenix Overlord and I'm fine with you spending money on Phoenix packs.

I'd even sell you my Locusts if I could find a way to do so