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[SickerthanSars]

Raven Starbinder, on 24 December 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

Clans are seriously OP and should be limited to 10 mech units as it is in the Lore (2 Stars) or they should have only 3 drop ship drops instead of 4. This would level the playing field a little.

This made me chuckle harder than it should have

[Abivard]

Podex, on 24 December 2014 - 08:40 PM, said:

I want to fight beside the FRR, but we are so tied up with Davion that it's hard to break away. Even with the Christmas ceasefire, rogue Steiner merc units are taking pot shots at our border. Hopefully we can win Asuncion back and get some kind of break on another border. The clans need to be stopped, and it's going to take a combined effort to do it.

Edit: With the immeasurable brutality that took place on Wazan, both the FWLM and Davion have an abundance of very seasoned veterans. It would serve the FRR well to broker a peace deal between the two to shift focus to the clans.

Umm they are not rogue units. Those attacks are sanctioned by Steiner High Command.
Most of the Davion units attacking the IS were wearing Clan Ghost bear Colors last week.

If you want to really fight the clans, Get a contract with the FRR or Kurtia... Steiner does not attack clans and is at present allied to Clan Wolf.

Community warfare should focus on Clan vs IS. I feel that it would be better for now if there were only 3 IS factions that could be chosen. FRR,DCMS and the Steiner's LCAF. these are the three Factions that border the clans. The 4 clan factions need not change.

The ability of these three factions to fight among themselves should be left intact, Each also have a long border with the other two. But that is for a future date, but we don't have to WAIT for PGI to make that so.

There is nothing forcing anyone to choose Marik, Liao or Davion but by doing so you will NOT be able to attack and capture clan planets only IS, if you want to capture IS planets why not simply play as clanners?

What reason do IS pilots really have for not choosing an IS faction that has a clan border?

[IraqiWalker]

Podex, on 24 December 2014 - 08:40 PM, said:

I want to fight beside the FRR, but we are so tied up with Davion that it's hard to break away. Even with the Christmas ceasefire, rogue Steiner merc units are taking pot shots at our border. Hopefully we can win Asuncion back and get some kind of break on another border. The clans need to be stopped, and it's going to take a combined effort to do it.

Edit: With the immeasurable brutality that took place on Wazan, both the FWLM and Davion have an abundance of very seasoned veterans. It would serve the FRR well to broker a peace deal between the two to shift focus to the clans.

Funny. Davion leaders approached the Marik leadership multiple times trying to broker some form of cease-fire, and Asuncion was actually offered back to Marik uncontested, but they refused.

I think if Davion can take the planet Marik from the FWL, we might get a good bargaining chip for a peace treaty where we give back Marik to the FWL. We might do the same with Dieron for Kurita. Those are big name planets that those factions should want to keep control of.

It's kinda sad that the only way for us to get the other houses (aside from Steiner) to work with us, is by attacking them, and pushing them into an unfavorable position, and THEN sit at the table to negotiate with them.

However, I agree. If we can get our pilots dirt-side in the FRR, we can do serious damage to the clans. Our forces would be more than capable of stopping them dead in their tracks, while the FRR, Steiner, and Kurita go on the offensive, and start reclaiming their worlds.

Abivard, on 24 December 2014 - 10:45 PM, said:

Umm they are not rogue units. Those attacks are sanctioned by Steiner High Command.
Most of the Davion units attacking the IS were wearing Clan Ghost bear Colors last week.

If you want to really fight the clans, Get a contract with the FRR or Kurtia... Steiner does not attack clans and is at present allied to Clan Wolf.

Community warfare should focus on Clan vs IS. I feel that it would be better for now if there were only 3 IS factions that could be chosen. FRR,DCMS and the Steiner's LCAF. these are the three Factions that border the clans. The 4 clan factions need not change.

The ability of these three factions to fight among themselves should be left intact, Each also have a long border with the other two. But that is for a future date, but we don't have to WAIT for PGI to make that so.

There is nothing forcing anyone to choose Marik, Liao or Davion but by doing so you will NOT be able to attack and capture clan planets only IS, if you want to capture IS planets why not simply play as clanners?

What reason do IS pilots really have for not choosing an IS faction that has a clan border?

Sorry buddy, but no House Davion unit joined a clan to fight against the IS. Mercenaries are their own thing (such as merc star which had a contract with CGB, it ended, they joined Davion, and their contract with us is about to end very soon, and I think they are going back to CGB, for another contract)

As for IS pilots choosing IS factions that don't have clan borders, it has to do with our loyalty to that house. Plus, we don't care about capturing clan planets. We can just defend yours, while you worry about the capturing, or we can take out the other factions, absorb them, and move our borders closer and closer to the clan borders, and fight them ourselves. More chaotic, more bloody, but very doable.

As for Steiner, they had been butting heads with CJF for quite a while now. They formed a cease fire with CW recently, and still carry hostile action against the FRR and the FWL, but they are fighting the clans. Also, I believe Podex was talking about the attacks happening right now, during the holiday cease-fire. Those are attacks by rogue players, and pugs. No unit deployments in offense are being done through the 26th. Unless that deployment is on clan borders, to defend the FRR, Kurita, or Steiner.

Edited by IraqiWalker, 25 December 2014 - 03:59 AM.

[Podex]

Thousands of mechs rust on the barren soil of Wazan as a result of Davion aggression. To claim that Asuncion was offered uncontested is nothing more than typical Davion propaganda. Asuncion fell as a result of its proximity to the Marik-Davion border and to give it away would mean total reversal of Davion's thrust into Marik territory. The dead on Wazan testify to how far Marik will go to win back what is ours. We will not rest until all wrongs are made right.

We desire peace, but not at the expense of our homes.

I take that back. I'm going back to bed. Hopefully I can PUG with the FRR later today. Is there a TS address to coordinate?

Edited by Podex, 25 December 2014 - 04:45 AM.

[IraqiWalker]

Podex, on 25 December 2014 - 04:35 AM, said:

Thousands of mechs rust on the barren soil of Wazan as a result of Davion aggression. To claim that Asuncion was offered uncontested is nothing more than typical Davion propaganda. Asuncion fell as a result of its proximity to the Marik-Davion border and to give it away would mean total reversal of Davion's thrust into Marik territory. The dead on Wazan testify to how far Marik will go to win back what is ours. We will not rest until all wrongs are made right.

We desire peace, but not at the expense of our homes.

Here's what went down in very simple terms:

Davion and the FWL engaged in border action that ended with Davion taking Asuncion. Then Davion approached the FWL offering peace, and the return of Asuncion to the FWL uncontested. The FWL refused our offer for peace. We were going to give you back your planet, and have a bond of peace with you, yet you refused, and chose war. So now we've liberated more worlds from the FWL, and we will probably keep on doing so, until your leadership realizes the error of their ways (possibly once they lose planet Marik, as that's the one planet House Marik really cares about).

Do not lie and say that you seek peace when it was offered to you, along with what was taken from you. Yet you refused it stubbornly. Now the leadership of the Federated commonwealth realizes that the Free Worlds League is ruled by madmen, and warmongers who do not seek peace. Our only recourse now is to liberate all your worlds, and truly set them free from the oppression of House Marik.

Wazan is being re-built and restored to serve the greater good of the Federated Commonwealth and the Inner Sphere. The only damage being inflicted upon it now is that of the reckless attacks of FWLM forces in their foolish genocidal march upon it claiming they are "re-taking" the planet.

[Malzel]

Why is there Marik x Davion slash fic in my FRR forum?

[Podex]

My apologies. It was not intended.

[Richard Warts]

Perhaps a Davion, Marik, FRR offensive against Steiner is in order. Teach them a lesson for siding with the Clans

Force them to refocus on engaging the Clanners, particularly Clan Wolf. If Steiner and the FRR were to launch joint strikes against Clan Wolf then perhaps they'd both be able to reclaim some of their territory.

In conclusion, force the Lyrans to negotiate a NAP with other house units.

Edited by Tabu 73, 25 December 2014 - 08:15 AM.

[Podex]

I'm down with it, but I don't really have much pull with that kind of stuff.

The FRR borders aren't looking too good right now. It'll be hard to muster a 12 man today, but I'll try to PUG a few games.

[Raven Starbinder]

SickerthanSars I am glad I gave you a good chuckle, but you can chuckle because you have an huge advantage in technology
and are winning because of it. I like to see you chuckle when the odds are a little more even up, when you do not have the numbers and better technology to back you up. I am not wrong about the lore numbers that is what it should have been from the beginning.

[IraqiWalker]

Tabu 73, on 25 December 2014 - 08:11 AM, said:

Perhaps a Davion, Marik, FRR offensive against Steiner is in order. Teach them a lesson for siding with the Clans

Force them to refocus on engaging the Clanners, particularly Clan Wolf. If Steiner and the FRR were to launch joint strikes against Clan Wolf then perhaps they'd both be able to reclaim some of their territory.

In conclusion, force the Lyrans to negotiate a NAP with other house units.

Davion is allied with Steiner, so no can do there.

But I'm trying to talk to units in the Fedcom to see if we can get them to lay off the FRR. Bear in mind I said "trying" I haven't had a conversation yet. Not gonna happen until after the holiday season probably.

[Bandaron]

Podex, on 25 December 2014 - 04:35 AM, said:

Thousands of mechs rust on the barren soil of Wazan as a result of Davion aggression. To claim that Asuncion was offered uncontested is nothing more than typical Davion propaganda. Asuncion fell as a result of its proximity to the Marik-Davion border and to give it away would mean total reversal of Davion's thrust into Marik territory. The dead on Wazan testify to how far Marik will go to win back what is ours. We will not rest until all wrongs are made right.

We desire peace, but not at the expense of our homes.

I take that back. I'm going back to bed. Hopefully I can PUG with the FRR later today. Is there a TS address to coordinate?

If you're dropping with us, you can join (many) of us on the FRR hub at frrhub.tk:9725, pw Dragon. We promise to overlook your sick fascination with the color purple as long as you're killing clams with us.

[Podex]

I appreciate the invitation. Maybe I can round up some others to join the fun.

[SickerthanSars]

Raven Starbinder, on 25 December 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

SickerthanSars I am glad I gave you a good chuckle, but you can chuckle because you have an huge advantage in technology
and are winning because of it. I like to see you chuckle when the odds are a little more even up, when you do not have the numbers and better technology to back you up. I am not wrong about the lore numbers that is what it should have been from the beginning.

So you're another one of those bad IS puggers that actually thinks clan mechs are OP duly noted.

[Raven Starbinder]

I am not the best obviously but I am an average player Clan mechs have 1 1/2 to 2x weapon load compared to their inner sphere equivalents and they have a choice of Omni Pods to choose from to customize their mechs. They may have engine limits but 2 slot double heat sinks, weapons loads, and Omni Pods more than make up for that deficiency. Also amazingly long ranged weapons (ER Large Lasers with range module 5 gives over 800 m). So I still think Clan mechs are OP. Tell me if I am wrong about this SickerthanSars.

[Abivard]

IraqiWalker, on 25 December 2014 - 03:48 PM, said:

Davion is allied with Steiner, so no can do there.

But I'm trying to talk to units in the Fedcom to see if we can get them to lay off the FRR. Bear in mind I said "trying" I haven't had a conversation yet. Not gonna happen until after the holiday season probably.

Steiner is allied with clan Wolf, which is now allied with the other Clans, Which are all fighting the same people Davion is fighting.

The Fedcom and the FRR have no border, so this fictitious Davion pressure on the FRR you speak of is really your proxy war on behalf of the clans against the rest of the IS that was helping defend against the clans, but now must defend against your forces?

The Last time a Jade falcon planet was attacked it was done by the FRR, that was going on the very day Steiner unit council betrayed the inner sphere and made alliance with Clan Wolf.

Even with Steiner's constant refusal of a cease fire with the FRR, the FRR had stopped offenses against Steiner space and focused on the clan. When Steiner came back to us and asked if the cease fire offer they had twice refused was still on the table (this would be 3rd) we not only said yes, the FRR also launched offensive attacks against Clan Jade Falcon as a show of good faith!

Then the FRR discovers it was merely a ploy for Steiner to get their Clan Wolf alliance finalized. That is what has so many FRR players outraged.

Seems Davion doesn't even have the guts to admit where they truly stand in all this.

[Malzel]

Abivard, chill.

[MischiefSC]

Abivard is pretty much why some of us are sticking to Wotan or even helping on the Kurita border in the holiday spirit.

At this point, honestly, I'm not even motivated to see Steiner stop attacking the FRR. I see people with the FRR tag sandbagging on the Steiner/Jade Falcon border pretty regularly - people who flat out work to talk the team into focus on kills and losing. It has not portrayed FRR in a great light. I realize every faction has a few whackadoodles. Just gets a bit over-the-top sometimes. Also the sandbagging on the Steiner front needs to stop. What if people did that while defending the FRR front?

[InspectorG]

SickerthanSars, on 24 December 2014 - 10:43 PM, said:

This made me chuckle harder than it should have

PRO TIP:

IS and Clans both are OP.

[ShadowbaneX]

InspectorG, on 26 December 2014 - 06:44 PM, said:

PRO TIP:

IS and Clans both are OP.

PRO-er TIP:

Everything that kills me is OP.