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#961 Odanan

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 01:46 PM

View PostKurbutti, on 24 November 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

To my personal dissappointment, Black Knight isn't mentioned, so I guess it'll have to wait a bit longer.


You will need to wait another Mechwarrior game...

View PostKurbutti, on 24 November 2012 - 11:07 AM, said:

I wouldn't be too sure that Orion will be it. I don't know exactly at which point in 3050 clanners show up, but given the rate they currently release mechs, I wouldn't be suprised if the next announcements were actually from around here.


I think they will announce the Heavy and Assault IS mechs and close this circle. After this, we will probably get clanners.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 02:11 PM

I find it funny the OP thinks the next assault can't be a hundred tonner due to the Atlas already being in game. Oh really? How much do the Hunchback and Centurion weigh again? What about the Raven and the Jenner? The Catapult and the Jagermech?

As is, I'd really like to say I'd like to see the King Crab in-game. You really only need three varients. I mean how many people are going to keep their mech at the stock varient.

The good points have already been hit in the initial posts and it'd be nice to see a mech that hasn't already been in a MW game before. The cons are trivial at best. Already have a 100 ton mech? So? We already had mechs at 35, 50, and 65 tons, why would allowing for another 100 ton mech be bad? It packs a lethal ballistics punch which would be nice with the new tweaks to the AC 20.

#963 Odanan

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

View PostZervziel, on 24 November 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

I find it funny the OP thinks the next assault can't be a hundred tonner due to the Atlas already being in game. Oh really? How much do the Hunchback and Centurion weigh again? What about the Raven and the Jenner? The Catapult and the Jagermech?

As is, I'd really like to say I'd like to see the King Crab in-game. You really only need three varients. I mean how many people are going to keep their mech at the stock varient.

The good points have already been hit in the initial posts and it'd be nice to see a mech that hasn't already been in a MW game before. The cons are trivial at best. Already have a 100 ton mech? So? We already had mechs at 35, 50, and 65 tons, why would allowing for another 100 ton mech be bad? It packs a lethal ballistics punch which would be nice with the new tweaks to the AC 20.


You don't understand. Atlas runs the show here. He is the big guy and the hardest nut to crack.

I would love the King Crab (ballistics pilot here) but I'm trying to understand the minds of the devs. And they wouldn't add another mech as big as the Atlas.

Well, at least until the Dire Wolf.

Anyway, we will know the next assault soon. My heart cries for the Annihilator, but it simply won't happen.

Edited by Odanan, 24 November 2012 - 05:10 PM.


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Posted 24 November 2012 - 07:48 PM

It is a shame how only 1 of my 5 favorite mechs will show up (most likely). My fourth favorite is the Mad Cat which will be a little while before it makes an appearance. I wish the Warhammer would be added but I'm not getting my hopes up. The other three wouldn't be in because they show up much later in the storyline (I think). 2nd:Ragnarok/Ymir. 3rd:Blood Asp/Star Adder. 5th:Nova Cat/Wendigo

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:31 AM

View PostVertex99, on 24 November 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

It is a shame how only 1 of my 5 favorite mechs will show up (most likely). My fourth favorite is the Mad Cat which will be a little while before it makes an appearance. I wish the Warhammer would be added but I'm not getting my hopes up. The other three wouldn't be in because they show up much later in the storyline (I think). 2nd:Ragnarok/Ymir. 3rd:Blood Asp/Star Adder. 5th:Nova Cat/Wendigo


Warhammer was my favorite mech. Partially because it just looks so damn cool! I'd be a Warhammer piloting fool!

#966 Odanan

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 12:13 PM

OK, so 4 days to the announcement of my must awaited mech. Alex Iglesias, do this right (again) please.

#967 Chaldon

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 12:21 PM

50 pages! ya right...

Please update your #1 post on page one.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 01:48 PM

I secretly hope it will be the King Crab. Please don't flame me, I love it and I want a different 100 ton mech other then the atlas.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:24 PM

View PostChaldon, on 25 November 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

Please update your #1 post on page one.


What should I update?

#970 Odanan

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:28 PM

View Postciller, on 25 November 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

I secretly hope it will be the King Crab. Please don't flame me, I love it and I want a different 100 ton mech other then the atlas.


Who knows? There are 3 possible variants for the King Crab...
But I really think they will choose the Zeus, Cyclops or even the Banshee first.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:45 PM

I'm not saying it will be the Banshee, but with some hardpoint love, it would be doable:

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Banshee BNC-3E

LA
LT 3b (AC/5)
CT
H 1e (Small Laser)
RT 3e (PPC)
RA

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Banshee BNC-3M

LA
LT 3e (PPC, Medium Laser)
CT
H 1e (Small Laser)
RT 3e (PPC, Medium Laser)
RA

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Banshee BNC-3Q (they should skip this one)

LA
LT
CT
H 1e (Small Laser)
RT 6b (AC/20)
RA

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Banshee BNC-3S (slower)

LA
LT 1b (AC/10)
CT 1e (Small Laser)
H 1e (Small Laser)
RT 5e, 1m (PPC, 4 Medium Lasers, SRM6)
RA

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Banshee BNC-4S (slower, DHS) 3050

LA
LT 1b (LBX/10)
CT 2e (Medium Pulse Laser)
H 1e (Small Laser)
RT 4e (2 ER PPC, 2 Medium Pulse Lasers)
RA

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Banshee BNC-5S (DHS, XL Engine) 3053?

LA 2e (2 Medium Lasers)
LT 1b, 1e (Gauss, Medium Laser)
CT 1e (Small Laser)
H 1e (Small Laser)
RT 3e (2 ER PPC, Medium Laser)
RA 1m (SRM6)

Edited by Odanan, 24 March 2013 - 11:50 AM.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:48 PM

One trend I'm seeing are mechs attached to factions. I'd hope to see this continuing as perhaps a foreshadowing for Community warfare and a way to make guesses at what chassis might be released next.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 03:54 PM

Heck, even the Banshee BNC-3Q would be playable as a very well armored long range sniper. Look at this build:

380 XL Engine (64.8km/h) (could be faster if using Ferro Fibrous)
Endo Steel
6x AC/2 (with 4 tons of ammo) - all in the right torso
CASE - left torso (if the ammo goes there, or unnecessary, if you put the ammo in the legs)
1 Medium Pulse Laser - head
10 Double Heat Sinks (inside engine. Could be more, with the extra tonnage given by the FF)
18.5 tons of armor (full)
AMS + 1 ton ammo :)
(all criticals used)

Edited by Odanan, 25 November 2012 - 04:23 PM.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:10 PM

The next mech will be the Orion!

Edited by Maverick01, 25 November 2012 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:10 PM

View PostDrunkninja, on 25 November 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

One trend I'm seeing are mechs attached to factions. I'd hope to see this continuing as perhaps a foreshadowing for Community warfare and a way to make guesses at what chassis might be released next.


So, let's figure out the factions of the released mechs: (please help me)

Atlas - Steiner, Kurita (and Davion?)
Hunchback - Marik
Jenner - Kurita
Dragon - Kurita (and Davion?)
Catapult - Liao, Kurita
Centurion - Davion (and Steiner, Kurita?)
Commando - Steiner
Awesome - Marik (and Steiner?)
Raven - Liao, Davion
Cicada - Marik, Liao (and Kurita?)
Cataphract - Davion (and Liao?)
Stalker - Marik, Steiner, Liao
Trebuchet - Marik
JagerMech - Liao, Davion
Spider - Steiner, Kurita, Liao
Flea - Liao
Highlander - (Liao, Steiner?)
Blackjack - Davion (and Liao?)

For sure:

Davion - 5
Steiner - 4
Liao - 7 (or much more, if you count all the designs stolen by Davion)
Kurita - 5
Marik - 5

PS: Orion is Marik :)
PPS: if the Zeus is the next Assault, it is super Steiner (maybe also Davion).

Edited by Odanan, 25 November 2012 - 04:25 PM.


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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:14 PM

View PostOdanan, on 25 November 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:


So, let's figure out the factions of the released mechs: (please help me)

Atlas - Steiner, Kurita (and Davion?)
Hunchback - Marik
Jenner - Kurita
Dragon - Kurita (and Davion?)
Catapult - Liao, Kurita
Centurion - Davion (and Steiner, Kurita?)
Commando - Steiner
Awesome - Marik (and Steiner?)
Raven - Liao, Davion
Cicada - Marik, Liao (and Kurita?)
Cataphract - Davion (and Liao?)
Stalker - Marik, Steiner, Liao
Trebuchet - Marik
JagerMech - Liao, Davion
Spider - Steiner, Kurita, Liao
Flea - Liao
Highlander - (Liao, Steiner?)
Blackjack - Davion (and Liao?)

For sure:

Davion - 5
Steiner - 4
Liao - 7 (or much more, if you count all the designs stolen by Davion)
Kurita - 5
Marik - 5

PS: Orion is Marik ;)
PPS: if the Zeus is the next Assault, it is super Steiner (maybe also Davion).


If we go by allegiance as depicted in the 'Mech reveal postings, that is covered in my emblems/insignia post. B)

Going by usage and construction is a bit more difficult, as a number of the 'Mechs are classified as "Inner Sphere General BattleMechs" and may be actively built and used by multiple realms.
As an example, the Centurion is constructed in both the FedSuns and the FWL... by the same company at the same time, no less! :blink:

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:11 AM

View PostStrum Wealh, on 25 November 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

If we go by allegiance as depicted in the 'Mech reveal postings, that is covered in my emblems/insignia post. ;) Going by usage and construction is a bit more difficult, as a number of the 'Mechs are classified as "Inner Sphere General BattleMechs" and may be actively built and used by multiple realms. As an example, the Centurion is constructed in both the FedSuns and the FWL... by the same company at the same time, no less! B)


This is why one goes merc, gotta catch em all.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 04:18 AM

View PostStingray1234, on 23 November 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

Clan mechs will be the best.


With the limitations that clan chassis have they will in fact be inferior.

See "disadvantages" http://www.sarna.net/wiki/OmniMech

The most OP design would actually be IS mechs that can have 100% Omnimech internals and weapons since they would be even more flexible [Ability to change engine rating and armor ratings to save weight unlike the clan mechs]

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 06:50 AM

2 Mechs I REALLY want to see, the Blood Asp and the Mad Cat =D

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 11:43 AM

I am remembering the Mad Cat looking pretty much like a Marauder with Catapult ears. If my memory is correct, would this not come up against the Unseen licensing problem?





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