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[wanderer]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 October 2015 - 09:23 AM, said:

The big reason though? Outside of MW4, no one but diehards really know the Longbow. More So, it was not even a popular chassis for MW4 PvP. And Missile Vomit is about the furthest thing from the Meta right now, and for those so inclined, we have a 51 kph 85 ton missile boat currently in the Stalker...which no one ever puts missiles on, anymore.
Mind you, done right, the Longbow would be XL friendly:

Which is funny, because one of the very first sourcebooks (Sorenson's Sabres) has a Longbow in the ranks. Of course, the poor thing didn't get a TRO entry for years afterwards, and the whole Unseen bit kept it further in the shadows despite being the first real missile-boat assault 'Mech.

(It also had the Samurai aerospace fighter, which was one of the beauties of 3025-tech medium aircraft.)

Edited by wanderer, 27 October 2015 - 07:35 PM.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Bishop Steiner, on 27 October 2015 - 08:38 AM, said:

In truth, this also means, numbers-wise, Bandersnatch are rare as heck, but actual scarcity has not stopped PGI in the past.

And IMO, it's the most interesting design left (non Unseen) of the 3025, 2750 and 3055 Heavies.

Mind you, it almost certainly won't happen, but just my 2ct.

Granted, the Bandersnatch is interesting, yes. However, the...

Daikyu
http://www.sarna.net..._Daikyu.jpg.png

...is obviously far more interesting.

[Karl Streiger]

Meh the Falconer.... although the challenge would be to make a Falconer that looks decent

[Earthtalker]

Why can't I hold all these mechs?
Here's another I would love to see
http://www.sarna.net...28BattleMech%29
Though it does have the required 3 variants for the current timeline, they are VERY similar in loadout.
I want it but I doubt it will make it in before others.

[Karl Streiger]

Earthtalker, on 28 October 2015 - 01:09 AM, said:

Though it does have the required 3 variants for the current timeline, they are VERY similar in loadout.
I want it but I doubt it will make it in before others.

nah PGI have a mad scientist - they can make their own variants: like the Enforcer with 4 Energy HPs and a AC20
or the panther with ballistic.
Of course they can make a Excalibur - energy only

[TheArisen]

Karl Streiger, on 28 October 2015 - 01:01 AM, said:

Meh the Falconer.... although the challenge would be to make a Falconer that looks decent

http://25.media.tumb...byv7o1_1280.jpg

Alex's Falconer, I think it's pretty sweet.

[Odanan]

TheArisen, on 28 October 2015 - 03:45 AM, said:

http://25.media.tumb...byv7o1_1280.jpg

Alex's Falconer, I think it's pretty sweet.

Yes it is!
(I really love non-humanoid mechs)

[Bishop Steiner]

Steinar Bergstol, on 28 October 2015 - 12:52 AM, said:

Granted, the Bandersnatch is interesting, yes. However, the...

Daikyu
http://www.sarna.net..._Daikyu.jpg.png

...is obviously far more interesting.

if by interesting you mean ugly then yes, I would agree

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 28 October 2015 - 03:45 AM, said:

http://25.media.tumb...byv7o1_1280.jpg

Alex's Falconer, I think it's pretty sweet.

riddle me this:

Why does the Bandersnatch, based on the Marauder Chassis, looks like a big bulky huanoid mech,
While the Falconer, built using the Orion chassis, is a bent over Walker/Pod?

[Karl Streiger]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 October 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

riddle me this:

Why does the Bandersnatch, based on the Marauder Chassis, looks like a big bulky huanoid mech,
While the Falconer, built using the Orion chassis, is a bent over Walker/Pod?

FASA nomics - QS the abstain of it

(see Thunderbolt missile rack; Shootist; BJ-2; LB10X; Gargoyle C arms the list is endless)

Edited by Karl Streiger, 28 October 2015 - 05:54 AM.

[Strum Wealh]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 October 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

riddle me this:

Why does the Bandersnatch, based on the Marauder Chassis, looks like a big bulky huanoid mech,
While the Falconer, built using the Orion chassis, is a bent over Walker/Pod?

Looking at the original art, the Bandersnatch does have Marauder-style arms.
And, to be fair, what it actually says is, "Bander considered the Marauder's chassis the most distinctive of all 'Mechs, and so he designed and built his 'Mech with a similar profile and style."
In other words, the Bandersnatch is only supposed to (kinda-sorta) look like it was inspired by the Marauder, but without (necessarily) actually using any Marauder parts...?

As for the Falconer... if one squints really hard while looking at the original art, the front part of the Falconer's torso kinda-sorta looks like the upper part of the Orion's torso (especially at the shoulders)?
(Also, while it's not really reflected in the art for both 'Mechs, I could see it being the case that the Falconer and the Orion might share the same legs...? )

[Odanan]

Strum Wealh, on 28 October 2015 - 06:49 AM, said:

As for the Falconer... if one squints really hard while looking at the original art, the front part of the Falconer's torso kinda-sorta looks like the upper part of the Orion's torso (especially at the shoulders)?
(Also, while it's not really reflected in the art for both 'Mechs, I could see it being the case that the Falconer and the Orion might share the same legs...? )

I see nothing of the Orion on the Falconer.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Odanan, on 28 October 2015 - 08:23 AM, said:

I see nothing of the Orion on the Falconer.

Yea, I don't either.

[TheArisen]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 October 2015 - 05:48 AM, said:

riddle me this:

Why does the Bandersnatch, based on the Marauder Chassis, looks like a big bulky huanoid mech,
While the Falconer, built using the Orion chassis, is a bent over Walker/Pod?

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Falconer

It doesn't say anything about being based on the Orion. It was ordered built by Hanse Davion. He wanted a mech that could take on a clan mech 1v1. That's why it has a big engine (375xl), long range weapons and JJ. I don't see anything about the Falconer that looks based/inspired by the Orion.

[TheArisen]

Two variants for the Falconer:

- 7 energy, 350xl, 4 jj, & MASC.

- 2 ballistic, 4 energy, 375xl.

[Bishop Steiner]

TheArisen, on 28 October 2015 - 09:08 AM, said:

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Falconer

It doesn't say anything about being based on the Orion. It was ordered built by Hanse Davion. He wanted a mech that could take on a clan mech 1v1. That's why it has a big engine (375xl), long range weapons and JJ. I don't see anything about the Falconer that looks based/inspired by the Orion.

Look up the actual TRO entry, you can find it by googling "falconer Solaris 7". It specifically states it's built using the Orions chassis.

[CDLord HHGD]

Bishop Steiner, on 28 October 2015 - 10:12 AM, said:

Look up the actual TRO entry, you can find it by googling "falconer Solaris 7". It specifically states it's built using the Orions chassis.

They must have beat the hell out of that orion then.... With a big hammer... Very big.....

[Strum Wealh]

cdlord, on 28 October 2015 - 11:11 AM, said:

They must have beat the hell out of that orion then.... With a big hammer... Very big.....

"Though unable to produce OmniMechs, the firm's designers opted to copy a popular Clan design. The TharHes team chose the Thor, an OmniMech popular among Jade Falcon warriors, as the basis for the Falconer. The spacious Orion chassis, built using endo steel processes, was selected for the skeleton of the 'Mech." (source)

Basically, the Falconer is built on a (heavily-modified) skeleton of an Orion, with hints of being based on that IS engineers & observers saw in the Thor (high mobility + heavy firepower, with somewhat light armor for its weight)).

[Virlutris]

Ouch. Just had a thought:

Orion and Thor aren't ... optimal ... performers in MWO. Would the Falconer have enough armor/weapons/mobility/whatever to be good at something? I'm not really familiar with the mech from more than the sarna.net entry.

[Strum Wealh]

Virlutris, on 28 October 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Ouch. Just had a thought:

Orion and Thor aren't ... optimal ... performers in MWO. Would the Falconer have enough armor/weapons/mobility/whatever to be good at something? I'm not really familiar with the mech from more than the sarna.net entry.

Well, the main Falconer variant (the FLC--8R) is a 75-ton 'Mech that would have, at a minimum, one ballistic hardpoint in the right arm, one energy hardpoint in the left arm, and two energy hardpoints in each side torso (for a total of 6 hardpoints at a minimum; inflation would likely increase this to no more than 8, IMO), plus Jump Jets (up to at least 5), and an Engine cap of 400 (XL375 stock, 375 * 1.2 = 450, cap ends at 400).

What do you make of that?