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[Virlutris]

FupDup, on 12 November 2015 - 02:53 PM, said:

PGI doesn't seem to base hardpoints off of engine size, otherwise the slow Ravens would have (back when they had their 245 engine cap) had more hardpoints than the Raven 3L. We'd also see more hardpoints on mechs like the Vindicator, but once again nope...

The factors that make PGI differentiate hardpoint counts seem to be ECM, MASC, and sometimes JJs.

Right, and as a further counterexample to my own off-the-cuff offering, Blackjacks retain the same number of hardpoints whether the cap is 235 (BJ-1DC) or 295 (BJ-1X).

Undercooked my own goose on that line of thought. Oh well, happens now and again.

Edited by Virlutris, 12 November 2015 - 02:56 PM.

[TheArisen]

Looks like there's a general consensus for the Assassin for the 40 tonners.

[Juodas Varnas]

TheArisen, on 16 November 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

Looks like there's a general consensus for the Assassin for the 40 tonners.

Nope. I'm still rooting for the Vulcan.

[TheArisen]

Juodas Varnas, on 16 November 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

Nope. I'm still rooting for the Vulcan.

Haha, you represent the "general" consensus?

[Juodas Varnas]

TheArisen, on 16 November 2015 - 11:56 AM, said:

Haha, you represent the "general" consensus?

Not until i reach the General rank in CW, i guess

[Strum Wealh]

TheArisen, on 16 November 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

Looks like there's a general consensus for the Assassin for the 40 tonners.

Juodas Varnas, on 16 November 2015 - 10:45 AM, said:

Nope. I'm still rooting for the Vulcan.

Personally, I'd like to see the Sentinel.

Example STN-3L
LA: x3 ballistic (x1 UAC/5)
RT: x1 energy (x1 Small Laser), x2 missile (x1 SSRM-2)
Standard Internal Structure, Standard 240 Engine, Standard Armor (64% of maximum), Standard Heat Sinks

Example STN-3K
LA: x1 ballistic (x1 AC/5)
RT: x3 energy (x1 Small Laser), x2 missile (x1 SRM-2)
Standard Internal Structure, Standard 240 Engine, Standard Armor (70% of maximum), Standard Heat Sinks

Example STN-3M
LA: x2 ballistic (x1 UAC/5)
RT: x1 energy (x1 Medium Laser), x3 missile (x1 SRM-2)
Standard Internal Structure, Standard 240 Engine, Standard Armor (64% of maximum), Standard Heat Sinks

The Sentinel maintains a respectable speed for a Medium 'Mech (97.2 kph base & 106.9 kph w/ Speed Tweak with the stock STD 240 Engine; an Engine rating limit of 315 (240 * 1.3 = 312, rounds up to 315) brings it to 127.6 kph base & 140.3 kph w/ Speed Tweak), is visually interesting (pill/pod-body + massive cannon arm + distinctive antennae + massive fist in the other arm), and each of the above-listed variants carries some of each weapon type (which allows for a wider variety of potential loadouts and variation than a two-weapon-type 'Mech).

[wanderer]

Gimme a Whitworth.

The -1S would be a nice little ambusher with it's 3 ML + 2x SRM-6 loadout, especially after being able to refit with DHS/Endo. And the classic is a mini version of the LRM Hunchback.

[Juodas Varnas]

wanderer, on 17 November 2015 - 12:36 PM, said:

Gimme a Whitworth.

The -1S would be a nice little ambusher with it's 3 ML + 2x SRM-6 loadout, especially after being able to refit with DHS/Endo. And the classic is a mini version of the LRM Hunchback.

I could live with that.

Though my rank of preference would still be the Vulcan>Assassin>Hermes II>Clint>Whitworth>Sentinel.

[CDLord HHGD]

Where's mah Champion? (I know, not unseen or a medium. I vote Assassin or Vulcan there.)

[Odanan]

Juodas Varnas, on 17 November 2015 - 12:39 PM, said:

I could live with that.

Though my rank of preference would still be the Vulcan>Assassin>Hermes II>Clint>Whitworth>Sentinel.

Assassin>Vulcan>Sentinel>Clint>Hermes II>Whitworth

Serious, Whitworth might be the 40 tonner I find less interesting for MWO.
Not a bad mech in TT (it really worth's it's 40 tons), but all two variants would be very much the same.

[MeiSooHaityu]

cdlord, on 17 November 2015 - 01:24 PM, said:

Where's mah Champion?

I'm with you there. We need a Champion! Heck, we even need a Champion Champion! (Champion (C)).

Let's make it happen

[Odanan]

MeiSooHaityu, on 18 November 2015 - 07:30 AM, said:

I'm with you there. We need a Champion! Heck, we even need a Champion Champion! (Champion (C)).

Let's make it happen

We Don't Need Another Hero Champion.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Odanan, on 18 November 2015 - 07:33 AM, said:

We Don't Need Another Hero Champion.

I need a Hero. I'm holding out for a Hero.. Champion.

[Odanan]

MeiSooHaityu, on 18 November 2015 - 07:38 AM, said:

I need a Hero. I'm holding out for a Hero.. Champion.

Ahhh Eighties overdose! (and I'm dead)

[MeiSooHaityu]

Odanan, on 18 November 2015 - 07:43 AM, said:

Ahhh Eighties overdose! (and I'm dead)

lol

[CDLord HHGD]

I like where this conversation went.

[Odanan]

Talking about hero and champion mechs, I'm looking forward to test a pocket-Banshee 3E:

Marauder MAD-3R:

stock 300 std. engine, 10 DHS, ES
2x medium pulse lasers (would prefer 4x medium lasers but there is no freaking space)
3x AC/5s (7 tons of ammo)
11 tons of FF armor (full in torsos, a little scraped from the arms and legs)

If it works like my 3xAC/5, 3x MPLs Banshee, oh boy, this will be my default mech.

Edited by Odanan, 18 November 2015 - 12:01 PM.

[TheArisen]

I'm looking forward to the Whammy but I kinda wish I'd gotten the Marauder.

On a different note, I was looking at light mechs. We have several 35 tonners but there isn't anything interesting to add to MWO, IMO.

There's just the Spector. 245 xl, JJ, energy boat, ecm. It'd basically be an ecm equipped Firestarter.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Spector

Let's examine the other tonnages.

#1 The Hermes. it comes with a 270 standard & energy weapons. It has a MASC variant that'd be too fast (almost 200 kph) it also has has a ECM variant in timeline.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hermes

#2 The Hussar. 30t, high mounted energy, 270 std, ecm variant, ballistic variant. I really like this mech.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Hussar

#3 The Javelin. 30t, 180 std, missile boat, energy variants, jj. I think this'd be a great addition.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Javelin

#4 The Valkyrie. 30t, mixed energy & missile, jj, 150 std. It could be okay but the name & model make this off limits. http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Valkyrie

#5 The Dart. 25t, 225 std, extremely fast, energy boat. Would be good but it's kinda boring IMO. http://www.sarna.net...art_(BattleMech)

#6 the Jackrabbit. 150 std, mix ballistic & missile. Possibly the worst mech ever if put in MWO. I don't know why I even mention it, it'd be terrible. http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jackrabbit

#7 The Mongoose. 25t, 200 std, energy boat, one mix energy & missile. This'd be a good mech.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Mongoose

#8 The Raptor. First IS Omni, varied weapons, 175 xl.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Raptor

I'm not talking about 20 tonners because the Locust does almost everything a 20 tonner could. The Wasp would be a good JJ addition though.

Edited by TheArisen, 19 November 2015 - 03:40 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Odanan, on 18 November 2015 - 08:39 AM, said:

Talking about hero and champion mechs, I'm looking forward to test a pocket-Banshee 3E:

Marauder MAD-3R:

stock 300 std. engine, 10 DHS, ES
2x medium pulse lasers (would prefer 4x medium lasers but there is no freaking space)
3x AC/5s (7 tons of ammo)
11 tons of FF armor (full in torsos, a little scraped from the arms and legs)

If it works like my 3xAC/5, 3x MPLs Banshee, oh boy, this will be my default mech.

I run a similar setup in my Ilya Muromets. 3MLasers, 3 A/C5s, STD 290 or 295 (its been a while since I looked so that detail is fuzzy). Great powerful setup.

[Odanan]

• Spector = hmmm nothing really new... I would prefer if they just released the Firestarter S1.
  
• Hermes = important Marik mech, but boring variants (in terms of weapons). The good side is: ECM and/or MASC variants.
  
• Hussar = the mech has many variants with weapons only in the center torso. If you think Spider 5V is bad, imagine a Spider 5V without jumpjets.
  
• Javelin = cool 30 tonner that would bring something new to the light weight.
  
• Valkyrie = it's an Unseen, so it's a must. Unfortunately, it is the least interesting of the Macross Unseen mechs. (not counting the former-Unseen Ost-mechs)
  
• Dart = really boring.
  
• Jackrabbit = yeah, it's bad.
  
• Mongoose = interesting looks, packs a punch. But I think the Wolfhound got it covered.
  
• Raptor = now that would be a great addition. A sure bet for the first IS omnimech pack.

But you forgot most currently the important, iconic IS light mechs: Wasp and Stinger. Wasp will surely be the next IS light mech.

Edited by Odanan, 19 November 2015 - 08:07 AM.