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[Odanan]

Sereglach, on 14 March 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

I suppose the real answer will come in when the next pack of new chassis is announced and PGI establishes a new pattern.

Indeed.
Want a clue? The Early Adopter Rewards expire in 47 days.

I guess they will release these packs every 2 months, and I'm completely OK with that.
People don't need to buy every single released mech, and those loyalist Clanners or IS will still have 1 new faction mech per month.

So, here are some big contenders for the next packs:

from before MW4:

• Wasp (IS)
  
• Fire Moth (Clan)
  
• Crusader (IS)
  
• Avatar (IS)
  
• Rifleman IIC (Clan)
  
• Warhammer IIC (Clan)
  
• Sunder (IS)

from MW4 and beyond:

• Osiris (IS)
  
• Hellhound (Clan)
  
• Hellspawn (IS)
  
• Quimera (IS)
  
• Avatar (IS)
  
• Argus (IS)
  
• Thanatus (IS)
  
• Nova Cat (Clan)
  
• Blood Asp (Clan)
  
• Fafnir (IS)
  
• Templar (IS)
  
• Hauptmann (IS)

That's a lot of mechs to cover... (and I still wanted the Longbow, Charger, Black Lanner, Bane and Hellion)

Ghostrider0067, on 14 March 2017 - 07:13 PM, said:

I'm surprised that no one has yet mentioned the absolutely tortoise-like speed of the Annihilator. Even at a maximum speed, it's 48.6 kph before speed tweak. That's awful. It makes the ridiculously slow Mauler builds I've seen look zippy by comparison. I guess this is as close to a battleship as we're going to get to this point, so it is how it is. Lights are going to have a field day on these, I'm afraid.

Same speed as the Dire Wolf, actually. And is the Dire Wolf awful? Not really.

Edited by Odanan, 14 March 2017 - 07:28 PM.

[Ghostrider0067]

Odanan, on 14 March 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

Same speed as the Dire Wolf, actually. And is the Dire Wolf awful? Not really.

Not a clan pilot, so I was unaware. Thanks for the clarification.

[ShadowbaneX]

Metus regem, on 14 March 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

No, the LB-2X still sucks... 6t and 4 crit slots! It is flat out worse than the AC/2, it grew by 300% for an ability it does not have in MWO, the ability to swap ammo.

The LB-5X isn't as bad by comparison, but still not fantastic... It's 8t and 5 crits while the normal AC/5 is 8t and 4 crits, that's a 25% increase in size for an ability it will not have in MWO.

This is compounded by the UAC versions of those weapons are in the case of the UAC/2 smaller physical (only a crit space requirement of 3) while only being 1t heavier... and we all know the UAC/5 is the same phsical size as the LB-5, while being 1t heavier....

LB-X's also have additional range, but yeah, by and large (mostly the large) without the ability to switch ammo types they're just not worth it. Than and the AC/2s of any flavour are never worth it.

TheArisen, on 14 March 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

I really hope the heavy ppc does all it's 15 DMG up front. Otherwise it won't be worth the heat, weight and slots

If it's designed to match the Clan ER PPC for damage, it will likely match the Clan ER PPC for damage, ie 10 damage to the point of impact and 2.5 damage to each adjoining section. 15 damage to one section would make the Clanners rage.

Pariah Devalis, on 14 March 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

To be honest, Ghostrider, I expected the Anni to have an even lower engine cap. It's a mech that on paper looks fearsome in firepower potential... but in practice would never be nearly as good as one would hope.

Nope, but it'll be fun for insanity builds. No Gausszilla, but it'll be close. And really, the game needs more fun Dakka builds...well, ok, the IS needs more fun Dakka builds. The Clanners have had the lead for too long.

[Bishop Steiner]

ShadowbaneX, on 14 March 2017 - 07:40 PM, said:

If it's designed to match the Clan ER PPC for damage, it will likely match the Clan ER PPC for damage, ie 10 damage to the point of impact and 2.5 damage to each adjoining section. 15 damage to one section would make the Clanners rage.

That would be very dumb, tbh.

Why?

Clan ERPPC: 6 tons. 2 Crits. 23 Hex Range, no minimum range.
IS H-PPC: 10 tons. 4 crits. 18 hex range with 3 hex minimum.

So you are telling me, with a straight face, that the HPPC, which is 166% the mass, and twice as large, with a shorter range, and minimum range, ...for the same heat load...

Should not get 15 PP dmg?

Bull.
Crap.

Metus regem, on 14 March 2017 - 07:16 PM, said:

No, a lot of us had mentioned that, a lot. But we got told, many times by people with nostalgia vision, that it would be awesome.... Well I hope everyone that wanted one is going to be happy with it... But I suspect lots of salt, once it hits the actual game... low weapon mounts, slow speed.... yea it's not going to be pretty...

Correction, it is kind of pretty, in a very industrial monster sort of way. But it's certainly going to be playing with a handicap.

[Sereglach]

Odanan, on 14 March 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

Indeed.
Want a clue? The Early Adopter Rewards expire in 47 days.

I guess they will release these packs every 2 months, and I'm completely OK with that.
People don't need to buy every single released mech, and those loyalist Clanners or IS will still have 1 new faction mech per month.

Yeah, I'm expecting something akin to one announcement every quarter or so. It also makes sense on why they now condensed their March and April release announcements (as per the roadmap and previous discussion) into one month, since it's all connected to the tech advancement. I could see two mechs every other month.

Also, as another fascinating note, PGI did -in fact- match assault for assault, but I'm mildly surprised at the Cougar instead of a medium. On the other hand, the Cougar had a lot of attention in MechCommander, and of course is another nostalgic MW4 alumni.

Odanan, on 14 March 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

So, here are some big contenders for the next packs:
*snip*
That's a lot of mechs to cover... (and I still wanted the Longbow, Charger, Black Lanner, Bane and Hellion)

LOTS of other mechs that could be added to that list. For the IS there's the Mongoose, Hermes (II), Clint, Whitworth, and many others. Also, there are other IIC mechs for clans (Griffon, Shadow Hawk, Commando, Phoenix Hawk) for clans, as well as plenty of other nice chassis (Incubus and Piranha instantly come to mind). PGI has an almost limitless supply of chassis to pick and choose from, especially since bumping the timeline; and of course everyone has their personal favorites.

[Archangel.84]

Man that Mk.II hero paintjob is gorgeous. Wish it was on a mech I would ever buy.

Edited by Archangel.84, 14 March 2017 - 08:19 PM.

[TheArisen]

Odanan, on 14 March 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

Indeed.
Want a clue? The Early Adopter Rewards expire in 47 days.

I guess they will release these packs every 2 months, and I'm completely OK with that.
People don't need to buy every single released mech, and those loyalist Clanners or IS will still have 1 new faction mech per month.

So, here are some big contenders for the next packs:

from before MW4:

• Wasp (IS)
  
• Fire Moth (Clan)
  
• Crusader (IS)
  
• Avatar (IS)
  
• Rifleman IIC (Clan)
  
• Warhammer IIC (Clan)
  
• Sunder (IS)

from MW4 and beyond:

• Osiris (IS)
  
• Hellhound (Clan)
  
• Hellspawn (IS)
  
• Quimera (IS)
  
• Avatar (IS)
  
• Argus (IS)
  
• Thanatus (IS)
  
• Nova Cat (Clan)
  
• Blood Asp (Clan)
  
• Fafnir (IS)
  
• Templar (IS)
  
• Hauptmann (IS)

That's a lot of mechs to cover... (and I still wanted the Longbow, Charger, Black Lanner, Bane and Hellion)




Same speed as the Dire Wolf, actually. And is the Dire Wolf awful? Not really.

Considering the impact of CK's poll on Russ's choice of mechs your list is missing some mechs like the Nightstar which placed 6th. Now there is only 4 (3 & a half?) mechs ahead of it in the poll. I'd say that makes it a "strong contender".
https://mwomercs.com...mechs-for-2017/

[Odanan]

TheArisen, on 15 March 2017 - 01:55 AM, said:

Considering the impact of CK's poll on Russ's choice of mechs your list is missing some mechs like the Nightstar which placed 6th. Now there is only 4 (3 & a half?) mechs ahead of it in the poll. I'd say that makes it a "strong contender".
https://mwomercs.com...mechs-for-2017/

Except for the Wasp and Crusader (which are yet pretty big deal for Battletech), I only put mechs from the Mechwarrior video games.

[FLG 01]

Odanan, on 15 March 2017 - 03:00 AM, said:

I only put mechs from the Mechwarrior video games.

AKA the attitude that led to the garbage called the Uziel we have to suffer now: no lore and low performance, but hey - it was in MW:4!

[Ovion]

Metus regem, on 14 March 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

please tell me when would you take a LB-2X or 5X over their UAC counter parts? I mean we all know how MWO treats LB series AC/s....

When you want to really.

At the end of the day, not *everything* needs to be meta-level craziness.
There can be things for fun.

Additionally, I'd wait to see how it runs before declaring it dead.

[Odanan]

FLG 01, on 15 March 2017 - 03:17 AM, said:

AKA the attitude that led to the garbage called the Cougar we have to suffer now: no lore and low performance, but hey - it was in MW:4!

FTFY

[Karl Streiger]

Have to ask.... with the intro of 3060 tech - can we have the correct variants for Supernova and MarauderIIC ?

[Odanan]

Karl Streiger, on 15 March 2017 - 05:07 AM, said:

Have to ask.... with the intro of 3060 tech - can we have the correct variants for Supernova and MarauderIIC ?

Maybe, but I guess not in the near future... :/

[Bishop Steiner]

Odanan, on 15 March 2017 - 05:01 AM, said:

FTFY

No. Cougar bad. But Uziel will be just as. Low cockpit. Terribad hit boxes. Mediocre everything else.

[ShadowbaneX]

Bishop Steiner, on 14 March 2017 - 07:45 PM, said:

That would be very dumb, tbh.

Yes, it would be very dumb.

No, you don't have to explain why.

I'm not saying that it *should* be that way, I'm just making a prediction based on PGI's previous record of making design decisions. Can you honestly tell me you believe that PGI wouldn't give the Heavy PPC the same damage profile as the Clan ER PPC? I try to give them as much credit as I can, but with the Energy Draw, Information Warfare & Tech Tree attempts I don't hold out much hope for them making reasonable design decisions.

[TheArisen]

Odanan, on 15 March 2017 - 03:00 AM, said:

Except for the Wasp and Crusader (which are yet pretty big deal for Battletech), I only put mechs from the Mechwarrior video games.

Well instead of the Avatar which would be pretty terrible we can put something we have evidence for it being on Pgi's radar, I.E. the Nightstar.

[FLG 01]

Think about the irony: PGI wanted to bring us FCCW-Mechs and the IS didn't get them. The Annihilator obviously was around during the FCCW, but none of the variants we get are actually from the FCCW-era. And the Uziel... well it is pretty much invisible during that era except for the TRO-entry which is almost mocking the Mech. Not once even mentioned in a dozen FCCW-novels.

You know, when I think of the FCCW, I think of legends like Ardan Sortek or Nondi Steiner duking it out; I think of the actually featured Templar, Fafnir, or Hauptmann.

[Metus regem]

FLG 01, on 15 March 2017 - 11:59 AM, said:

Think about the irony: PGI wanted to bring us FCCW-Mechs and the IS didn't get them. The Annihilator obviously was around during the FCCW, but none of the variants we get are actually from the FCCW-era. And the Uziel... well it is pretty much invisible during that era except for the TRO-entry which is almost mocking the Mech. Not once even mentioned in a dozen FCCW-novels.

You know, when I think of the FCCW, I think of legends like Ardan Sortek or Nondi Steiner duking it out; I think of the actually featured Templar, Fafnir, or Hauptmann.

FLG, it's been pretty well established that these mechs have less to do with what would've been actually used during that event and more to do with what was show cased in MW4... It's funny you hear the MW4 description of the Uziel and then you read the official description of it... You get two very different accounts for it. sadly for MWO, I think it is going to lean closer to the actual official description rather than the MW4 version....

[Odanan]

I predict in the first week of May the next 4-mech pack will be announced.

Mechs?

- Osiris (light, IS) - would say Owens, but those single heat sinks in an omnimech would be awful... Raptor is an excellent choice, but rather unknown.
- Hellhound (medium, Clan)
- Nova Cat (heavy, Clan)
- Avatar (heavy, IS) - IS needs to be introduced to the omni technology.

Edited by Odanan, 23 March 2017 - 03:18 PM.

[TheArisen]

Odanan, on 23 March 2017 - 03:16 PM, said:

I predict in the first week of May the next 4-mech pack will be announced.

Mechs?

- Osiris (light, IS) - would say Owens, but those single heat sinks in an omnimech would be awful... Raptor is an excellent choice, but rather unknown.
- Hellhound (medium, Clan)
- Nova Cat (heavy, Clan)
- Avatar (heavy, IS) - IS needs to be introduced to the omni technology.

I'd say the Men Shen would be more likely because it's winning it's weight bracket over the Avatar.