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[FupDup]

Odanan, on 18 May 2019 - 03:36 PM, said:

3 LBX20 in MW4 were DA killer!!! (I used them in the Daishi)

LBX80 Annihilator or bust.

[Odanan]

FupDup, on 18 May 2019 - 03:36 PM, said:

LBX80 Annihilator or bust.

Jesus!

[Bishop Steiner]

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FupDup, on 18 May 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

I dunno why they keep picking the Sunder, since PGI is not ever gonna change IS XL mechanics and that thing has giant ST hitboxes. Hauptmann is the only one that would be almost guaranteed to be good out of the box with minimal PGI quirk assistance.

MW4 NostalgiaGoggles.

Much as I love Sunders in MW4, TT, etc. there is no way to be remotely true to the design and art, without those STs being super vulnerable. It would have to set new records in bonus armor to remotely survive.

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 18 May 2019 - 06:35 PM, said:

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MW4 NostalgiaGoggles.

Much as I love Sunders in MW4, TT, etc. there is no way to be remotely true to the design and art, without those STs being super vulnerable. It would have to set new records in bonus armor to remotely survive.

MW3 nostalgia as well (Sunder was in that game).

[Bishop Steiner]

FupDup, on 18 May 2019 - 06:36 PM, said:

MW3 nostalgia as well (Sunder was in that game).

true, but it seems like between age (MW4 being 2002) and such, more people seem familiar with MW4, especially thanks to MekTek. Regardless of which archaic MW title, neither punished you with TT rules for XLs, IIRC. *shrugs*

[FupDup]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 May 2019 - 07:31 AM, said:

true, but it seems like between age (MW4 being 2002) and such, more people seem familiar with MW4, especially thanks to MekTek. Regardless of which archaic MW title, neither punished you with TT rules for XLs, IIRC. *shrugs*

Also the Hauptmann is an MW4 NostalgiaMech™ itself, but the Sunder is just more nostalgier.

[TheArisen]

FupDup, on 19 May 2019 - 09:39 AM, said:

Also the Hauptmann is an MW4 NostalgiaMech™ itself, but the Sunder is just more nostalgier.

Well the Hauptmann is in MW4 but it's kind of a rare sight in the game. Only one or two or Solaris, if any, and Nondi Steiner whereas the Sunder is fairly common. Same thing with the Templar. Plus the exposure in books plays a part.

Aside from Nondi, how many notable Hauptmann pilots are there?

[FLG 01]

Notable as Nondi? None. There are a few Hauptmann-appearences in the novels, though, in the ranks of both, allies and loyalists (and even the Skye Rangers).

Most interesting is perhaps Leftenant General Karen Fallon, aide to the CO of the 8th FedCom RCT, because her fate basically mirrors Nondi's. Both were loyalists, both made their last stand with a Hauptmann against superior allied forces, and while Nondi's last stand was at the very end of the FCCW, Fallon's was at the very start. In fact, the actions of the 8th RCT on Kathil had a huge influence in starting the FCCW.
The 8th RCT also has an attractive paintscheme, so I would not mind seeing Fallon's Mech, but Nondi is just more famous.

Edited by FLG 01, 19 May 2019 - 10:19 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

Covemtry Jaegers CO Walker also died in his Hauptmann, making a stsnd against Victors Mery Band of cutthroughs and heretics
A Nondi Hero would be a absolute No-Go that grandma did the mist damage to the Commenwealth only second to Victor.
Really that was the good part about the "old" heroes. No main characters, Bounty Hunter. Kell and Kerensky as example were to much.

[FupDup]

Karl Streiger, on 19 May 2019 - 12:08 PM, said:

A Nondi Hero would be a absolute No-Go

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A "hero" mech doesn't have to be somebody who was actually a good person who did good things. Baddies fit the bill too. Nondi is just so infamous that trying to use any other character for the Hauptmann hero would feel forced.

I want more "villain" mechs. I demand a robber Urbanmech IIC to contrast against the police IS Urbanmech and also Nicolai Malthus' Summoner.

Edited by FupDup, 19 May 2019 - 12:15 PM.

[CycKath]

FupDup, on 19 May 2019 - 12:13 PM, said:

ಠ_ಠ

A "hero" mech doesn't have to be somebody who was actually a good person who did good things. Baddies fit the bill too. Nondi is just so infamous that trying to use any other character for the Hauptmann hero would feel forced.

I want more "villain" mechs. I demand a robber Urbanmech IIC to contrast against the police IS Urbanmech and also Nicolai Malthus' Summoner.

And somebody's hero is often somebody else's villain. Save for a small window, Capellan's generally wouldn't consider Yen-Lo-Wang a "hero" 'Mech after all...

[Valdarion Silarius]

FupDup, on 19 May 2019 - 12:13 PM, said:

I want more "villain" mechs. I demand a robber Urbanmech IIC to contrast against the police IS Urbanmech and also Nicolai Malthus' Summoner.

If we get Nicolai Malthus' Summoner then we better get the corresponding leg laser hard points that go along with it. Can't wait for the mech to be labeled trash because of how low they are, lol.

[Bishop Steiner]

so would the Blitzkrieg offer anything of interest? Have to make up variants, but, just trying to think of remaining, outside the box designs.

Blitzkrieg, Wraith, Lancelot are 3 remaining IS mechs that might add some interesting potential.

All max ( or close to) speed for class, Blitz offers high hardpoints (too high, but.. still better than to low?) Lancelot has Rifleman level arms with much better speed and even a version with JJs, and Wraith is just fast and bouncy energy boat (crap hardpoints though).

[Valdarion Silarius]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 May 2019 - 07:25 AM, said:

so would the Blitzkrieg offer anything of interest? Have to make up variants, but, just trying to think of remaining, outside the box designs.

It offers my Rifleman IIC a griddle to cook the pancake radar dish on top of it's head.

[Karl Streiger]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 May 2019 - 07:25 AM, said:

so would the Blitzkrieg offer anything of interest? Have to make up variants, but, just trying to think of remaining, outside the box designs.

Blitzkrieg

Great representation - for both, although the Solitaire looked ok, already.

The Blitz would be interesting heck it's all I ever wanted a very fast Mech and a class 20 - and I would take the 360 as well.
Although it's never going to happen XL and AC20 are one of the few unsolved mysteries of MWO.

[FLG 01]

Bishop Steiner, on 23 May 2019 - 07:25 AM, said:

so would the Blitzkrieg offer anything of interest?

The concept is really intresting. A fast high-end medium with a huge gun: that can work in MWO. Light mechs just don't have the tonnage to pull it off, not even the Urbie (sorry, Bish).
But a 50t Mech really could do it. Huge engine, big gun, minimal if any secondary armament... that works. I am using the YLW to great effect, and that one has a horrible geometry. Better geometry, perhaps some UAC jam-quirks, and we'd have a very powerful addition to the IS-lineup.

[Bishop Steiner]

FLG 01, on 23 May 2019 - 05:06 PM, said:

The concept is really intresting. A fast high-end medium with a huge gun: that can work in MWO. Light mechs just don't have the tonnage to pull it off, not even the Urbie (sorry, Bish).
But a 50t Mech really could do it. Huge engine, big gun, minimal if any secondary armament... that works. I am using the YLW to great effect, and that one has a horrible geometry. Better geometry, perhaps some UAC jam-quirks, and we'd have a very powerful addition to the IS-lineup.

sorry for what? Urbie doesn't run a single big gun very well, in MWO ( I can do OK, but i's far down the list). Lack of crit splitting is and issue, but if we could overcome that, I do think Blitz could be very interesting.

[lobsterhierarchy]

How about some love for the Imp and the Flashman?! Giant urbies that could have an awesome dynamic in game. You’d have a 75 and 100 mech with 360 degree rotation to spice things up. The Imp has always been described as a Swiss Army knife and the flashman is a distinguished laserboat from the SLDF era with high mounts.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Flashman

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Imp

[Bishop Steiner]

lobsterhierarchy, on 24 May 2019 - 04:52 AM, said:

How about some love for the Imp and the Flashman?! Giant urbies that could have an awesome dynamic in game. You’d have a 75 and 100 mech with 360 degree rotation to spice things up. The Imp has always been described as a Swiss Army knife and the flashman is a distinguished laserboat from the SLDF era with high mounts.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Flashman

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Imp

that's assuming either would get 360 rotation. Still no sure who started the (inaccurate) rumor that Urbies had it (not that I'm complaining). Plus Flashman basically is a FatHopper?

[Sereglach]

Bishop Steiner, on 24 May 2019 - 06:13 AM, said:

that's assuming either would get 360 rotation. Still no sure who started the (inaccurate) rumor that Urbies had it (not that I'm complaining).

Yeah, it's inaccurate, but I think it actually originated in the fact that the Urbie, in lore, had a 360 degree visibility out of the cockpit and could do the whole "arm flip" to shoot behind it (if using those rules). That then turned into "give the urbie 360 degree torso rotation!" . . .

Of course, this part of the original April Fools announcement didn't help matters:
https://stage.mwomer...-on-battlefield

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A new Hero Mech arrives on the battlefield! The UM-CUB "Urbie Curby" comes hot from the manufacturer with two rear mounted AC/20s for pummeling at close range. Grab a partner pilot to join the glory, this Mech has no need for an engine! Ask a lancemate to tow you around (Attach hitch with "E") or stay put at your base like a defensive turret

I remember all of the jokes about "Urbie Turrets" eventually turned into "You know, that might actually be a reasonable balancing mechanism..."

Edited by Sereglach, 24 May 2019 - 08:17 AM.