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[Mcgral18]

Davers, on 04 January 2015 - 09:55 PM, said:

Yeah, it's just under ERML range…. *eye roll*

Yeah, dual gauss on a 64 ton mech whose side torsos can be destroyed by one alpha...

It's not your fault you can't come up with a single mech that can stand against the TW.

I just did. It's not my fault you can't use them.


They are also nearly half of the heat of ERMLs, which is pretty damned big. You can fire nearly twice as much for the same heat. That also means just about twice the damage, in case you didn't know.


Gauss with high mounts? Hillhump to your hearts content. Or get close and win with brawling mechs. It's not that hard.

Or use the 9S, which is good at range, and half decent up close.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Dragon 1n will massacre in most situations a 1v1 the timber. In proper hands ofc. Reduce the armor on range.. circle dakka the timber on close range- due to the awesome ac arm (every 0,8 sec 10 bam dmg and screenshake + almost no heat)

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 04 January 2015 - 10:03 PM.

[Davers]

Mcgral18, on 04 January 2015 - 09:58 PM, said:

I just did. It's not my fault you can't use them.

I like how you jump to that conclusion.

I like how you point to mechs like the Dragon as the equal to the Timberwolf though. No JJs, bad at soaking damage with a huge CT, obviously the IS's equivalent of the Timberwolf.

[Mcgral18]

Davers, on 04 January 2015 - 10:03 PM, said:

I like how you jump to that conclusion.

I like how you point to mechs like the Dragon as the equal to the Timberwolf though. No JJs, bad at soaking damage with a huge CT, obviously the IS's equivalent of the Timberwolf.

Yet, what is it, 18 nearly heatless DPS?


That outdoes every Timby build out there, doesn't it? And outranges half of them? While having no min range, or heat issues?

The chassis itself has limitations, which is why is has these 50% quirks.

[Davers]

Mcgral18, on 04 January 2015 - 10:06 PM, said:

Yet, what is it, 18 nearly heatless DPS?


That outdoes every Timby build out there, doesn't it? And outranges half of them? While having no min range, or heat issues?

The chassis itself has limitations, which is why is has these 50% quirks.

So did the Thunderbolt. Guess the Dragon will be on the chopping block next.

[Brody319]

Yea clearly the Timberwolf is only improved by its JJs, I mean just look at how high it can jump! Its dunking the B-ball like no one's business!

no wait its actually just kinda hovering 2 inches above the ground...why are they called JJs again?!

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 10:08 PM, said:

Yea clearly the Timberwolf is only improved by its JJs, I mean just look at how high it can jump! Its dunking the B-ball like no one's business!

no wait its actually just kinda hovering 2 inches above the ground...why are they called JJs again?!

JJ´s give you extra maneuverabiity on terrain and and advantage for brawls. Jumping high and perhaps sniping behind a building is a different and old story.

[Brody319]

ThisMachineKillsFascists, on 04 January 2015 - 10:13 PM, said:

JJ´s give you extra maneuverabiity on terrain and and advantage for brawls. Jumping high and perhaps sniping behind a building is a different and old story.

I remember the last time I could Poptart with my Timberwolf....no wait...uh...yea I don't think the Timberwolf ever jumped high enough to poptart over terrain it couldn't just walk over or get shot over...

I mean I guess you can use it to turn fast, but a lot of IS heavies have JJs, most ditch them because they are useless. the Timberwolf is FORCED to bring them, so people use them.

[Ultimax]

Mcgral18, on 04 January 2015 - 10:06 PM, said:

Yet, what is it, 18 nearly heatless DPS?


That outdoes every Timby build out there, doesn't it? And outranges half of them? While having no min range, or heat issues?

The chassis itself has limitations, which is why is has these 50% quirks.

Come on bud, you're way more reasonable than this.

The 1N has zero chance to stand against the top clan mechs being used in CW.


Yes, if you get blindsided by one in a normal queue match they can pump out crazy damage.

In any situation where you look at one, you tear their weapon arm off and all their firepower, or just core their giant, fat soft belly.



Jagers, Cataphracts and mechs like the Dragon are not even remotely on the level of SCR/HBR/TBR for CW.

They are just not efficient enough in design to create top tier drop decks, to counter clan top tier drop decks.

[Yokaiko]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 10:15 PM, said:

I remember the last time I could Poptart with my Timberwolf....no wait...uh...yea I don't think the Timberwolf ever jumped high enough to poptart over terrain it couldn't just walk over or get shot over...

I mean I guess you can use it to turn fast, but a lot of IS heavies have JJs, most ditch them because they are useless. the Timberwolf is FORCED to bring them, so people use them.

The -S ALONE is forced to bring them, you don't have to tie on both STs

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 10:15 PM, said:

but a lot of IS heavies have JJs, most ditch them because they are useless.

k if you think so

[Brody319]

Yokaiko, on 04 January 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

The -S ALONE is forced to bring them, you don't have to tie on both STs

You do if you want wubs, SRM spam, or ST ballistics. 2 JJs are trash. Before they hardlocked JJs, most Timberwolves were stripping them for something else entirely.

[Yokaiko]

Brody319, on 04 January 2015 - 10:23 PM, said:

You do if you want wubs, SRM spam, or ST ballistics. 2 JJs are trash. Before they hardlocked JJs, most Timberwolves were stripping them for something else entirely.

I know, so streak.

[operatorZ]

Ultimatum X, on 04 January 2015 - 04:48 PM, said:

There aren't any.

Outside of the 5SS & 9S, nothing else can compete against SCR, HBR & TBR in the 50 to 75 ton range.


It will be fun to watch most of the top comp teams suddenly switch back to clan.

Yes your right...and the reason the comp teams switched to IS ....is because the massed 9S ERPPC IS EVEN MORE OP THAN ANY CLAN MECH EVER....could be ever......thanks for proving that out

[MoonfireSpam]

After nerfs can we resume normal business and get back to crying about stormcrows and timberwolves?

[Brody319]

MoonfireSpam, on 04 January 2015 - 11:01 PM, said:

After nerfs can we resume normal business and get back to crying about stormcrows and timberwolves?

That never ended. just go to any thread about any mech and eventually someone will say Crow or Wolf and the thread will derail faster than the train that hit the Iron Giant.

[meteorol]

Depends on how hard they nerf if (if they nerf it at all).

I can tell you what i will do.
If it is still able to wreck face i'll use those cbills i held back the second i saw those quirks. I expected them to be nerfed, so i didn't instantly buy them. Here am i, patiently waiting. The second i get the confirmation on this mechs faith i will pull the trigger.

I don't give a sh*t about lore, factions, roleplay, who owns which planet in CW. I'll just use the best mech available. I'll read the forums, see all the guys go crazy "omg don't nerf my favorite toy, NERF HIS FAVORITE TOY (without actually caring for game balance)" ,and just use the toy which is best at destroying other guys toys.

Edited by meteorol, 04 January 2015 - 11:25 PM.

[pwnface]

Davers, on 04 January 2015 - 09:55 PM, said:

Yeah, it's just under ERML range…. *eye roll*

Yeah, dual gauss on a 64 ton mech whose side torsos can be destroyed by one alpha...

It's not your fault you can't come up with a single mech that can stand against the TW.

The TDR-5SS w/ 7xMPL has slightly less range than the C-ERML but deals damage far more efficiently. You can roll your eyes all you want, but the TDR-5SS is a potent mid-close range mech that can hold it's own against timberwolves.

Dual Gauss mechs do run XL engines but they can deliver instant 30 pinpoint damage at incredible range. If you play it like a sniper (which you should) you won't be getting 1 shot across the map by timberwolves.

It isn't really fair to compare mechs in a 1v1 setting since the game isn't played 1v1. Yes, the TBR can dominate almost every mech 1v1. The TDR-9S and 2xGauss heavys can hold their own sniping against it though. The TDR-5SS can match it in brawling. The DRG-1N can completely out DPS it by a wide margin.

The Inner Sphere has plenty of excellent options if you know how to play to their strengths.

[ThisMachineKillsFascists]

The question is: are those other excellent is mechs worser than the 9s? is the 9s a uber and needs probably 10 own nerf threads within a week?mI dont think so. The 9s rustles jimmies in cw perfectlyespecially against clans who are used to outrange is weapons- probably thats why

Edited by ThisMachineKillsFascists, 04 January 2015 - 11:57 PM.

[pwnface]

Ultimatum X, on 04 January 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

Come on bud, you're way more reasonable than this.

The 1N has zero chance to stand against the top clan mechs being used in CW.


Yes, if you get blindsided by one in a normal queue match they can pump out crazy damage.

In any situation where you look at one, you tear their weapon arm off and all their firepower, or just core their giant, fat soft belly.

Jagers, Cataphracts and mechs like the Dragon are not even remotely on the level of SCR/HBR/TBR for CW.

They are just not efficient enough in design to create top tier drop decks, to counter clan top tier drop decks.

People hate on DRG-1Ns so much but they really are incredibly effective if you know how to use them. Everyone says just shoot the arm off but I'm always pulling 800-1400 damage in my dragon. It isn't that easy to shoot the arm off a dragon when you are engaged with other mechs.

Even if you could take the arm off of a DRG-1N in say 2 perfectly alpha strikes over 8 seconds the dragon could have dumped 144 damage on you already, typically enough to beat your mech up quite a bit.

I haven't been having any issues fighting clan mechs in CW and I don't even use the TDR-9S.