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[Samurai Hanse Davion]

Valar13, on 10 February 2015 - 12:30 PM, said:

I don't always quote people, but when I do it's going to be Liesmith from now on.

Stay salty, my friend.

The Salt Does Flow, Friend.
Though Not From Where You Suppose.
You Should Have Name Changed.

[Scoops Kerensky]

Valar13, on 10 February 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

The rest of the Kapteyn Accord is already in the Star League.

It might be a bit early to say Liao is fully onboard from the threads they have right now...

[Valar13]

YCSLiesmith, on 10 February 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

Mischief said that i was unable to devote myself to something 'bigger than myself' which I objected to on the grounds that the Star League is considerably less important than any human being who has ever lived. Not so much because i'm important as because the star league is a contemptibly small endeavor. I was surprised that you struggled to follow my argument to be honest. I should probably have just made a fat joke.

Lol at "small"

[Samurai Hanse Davion]

There Are Dozens Who Back The Star League.

Dozens.

[YCSLiesmith]

Valar13, on 10 February 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

The rest of the Kapteyn Accord is already in the Star League.

God Valar you're unbelievable. Watch a movie sometime.

Edited by YCSLiesmith, 10 February 2015 - 12:41 PM.

[Samurai Hanse Davion]

I Cannot Believe That The FWL - Those Who First Brought Up The Star League - Are The First To Break It With Their Brazen Aggression In Draconis Space.

[Valar13]

Yep, missed the Blues Brothers reference. That's a paddlin'.

[pwnface]

This thread should get a title change to "Troll Wars: Flame On"

Why everyone so angry at each other?

[Valar13]

pwnface, on 10 February 2015 - 12:54 PM, said:

This thread should get a title change to "Troll Wars: Flame On"

Why everyone so angry at each other?

I'm more tired of the Valar13 Deletes Threads Because Coward or Something meme. I had butted out until I was directly brought back into it by someone else who's apparently never bothered either talking to one of the people in HK I spoke to about my reasons for removing content/ensuring everyone knew it was all in good fun, nor reading the countless threads in which I've posted my grievances not with Kurita but with the organization of Davion at the time I left.

There's a certain degree of solipsism among a few players who would like to take the credit for themselves as to why I removed joke threads and switched factions, when in fact it has nothing to do with anything Kurita has done, and I have said as much from before I finally decided to go ahead with it.

Not to mention how closely it grazes Name & Shame territory.

Edited by Valar13, 10 February 2015 - 01:04 PM.

[Valar13]

Klappspaten, on 10 February 2015 - 10:07 AM, said:

I don´t want to rain on your parade, but I want to. Valar13 isn´t a Davion dude.

I was, but my complaints have never been directed toward an entire enemy faction, only toward one I didn't feel that I belonged in after a point.

Never mind that the deletion in question occurred roughly two weeks prior to that.

Edited by Valar13, 10 February 2015 - 01:07 PM.

[Klappspaten]

pwnface, on 10 February 2015 - 12:54 PM, said:

This thread should get a title change to "Troll Wars: Flame On"

Why everyone so angry at each other?

I agree, lets shut this down and create a new Star League thread buried somewhere so deep in the sub forums that only those who know where to look can find it.

[Harathan]

YCSLiesmith, on 10 February 2015 - 12:32 PM, said:

Mischief said that i was unable to devote myself to something 'bigger than myself'

Ok then. Star League is dozens of people. You're just one person. Numerically bigger, satisfied?

[TripleEhBeef]

That feeling where you've been offline for about a week and have no idea what is going on.

Can I get the Coles Notes version instead of reading 33 pages?

[RjBass3]

So it would seem there are many fighting for the dirty snakes who don't care about the new Star League or actually working as a community. The image below was taken from one of my guys fighting to defend a Davion planet from the dirty snakes who obviously don't care about treaty's and such.

Edited by RjBass3, 10 February 2015 - 02:22 PM.

[HARDKOR]

According to the bible, snakes are the original troll faction.

[Grynos]

Ok so here is how I look at the Star League situation as it relates to CW and some other facts about CW in general.

First things first (cause if they were second or third it would be meaningless I suppose ) this post has nothing to do with flaming of any type, it is not trolling, It is my opinions on a few things that after reading 30 plus pages on this post as well as many others relating to similar talks leading up to the Star League.

Merc units are the deciding factor in map movements for CW. Not trying to be mean, but it is a fact.. While loyalists might say that is not so, the proof is there. For example, when CW began , there were a lot of Merc Units in Davion. Davion had a huge population due to that, hence it waged war on Liao, Marik, and Kurita. Likewise some of the clans had Merc units with them, thus gaining a population advantage over some of the Northern IS houses. Marik had a couple, from the start like BWC, as well as other factions/clans . As Merc units decided to work for other factions/clans, the tide shifted. The Merc units ultimately decide the outcome when it comes to the gathering of planets for a faction/clan....

That is not saying that loyalists are not trying, or doing a good job. It is a purely population standpoint, and if CW has shown us anything, it is about populations. Merc units are the majority of population in CW.

As far as the Star League goes. I understand that people want to "reform the Star League" for their personal RP beliefs, to push back the clans out of the inner sphere, but this argument has been going on for longer than this forum post, actually the beginnings of it started out of a "Marik is all quiet" thread and perhaps even before that. The idea that the Star League is going to band together to push the clans back can work, but here is the problem, the only way it does work is if the Merc units are at the front of it. Not only for the IS but also for the clans.

PGI made the decision, to not make Merc units have their own respective faction. Why they decided on this really makes me ponder. Did they feel that if Merc had their own faction, there would be no real reason for them to bounce around the different factions/clans? Because as It currently stands, your best bet to benefit is to be a Merc unit. While I personally would like to see everyone in the same situation as everyone else, being a loyalist is potentially costing those loyalists any benefits for being a loyalist.

Lastly, as someone who is not a Battletech canon guy ( for me I was into D&D ) and someone who has played numerous MMORPG's . I know that Battletech canon dictated that the clans came down from the same place and the RP purists are happy with that, but PGI should have broken away from the canon for the overall benefit of CW. They should have put the clans around the inner sphere instead of one location. It would have benefitted the southern IS houses ( in which there would have been a clan to deal with) as well as the northern ones ( not getting swamped by multiple clan fronts ). But I know what most people are thinking... "Your screwing with the lore of Battletech,MechWarrior, etc etc." . My answer is yes, and every other person in this game is breaking lore in some way or another.

I will ask this one question for everyone to think about.... Which is more important to the overall success of CW, the lore or the gamemode ?

[Chef Kerensky]

RjBass3, on 10 February 2015 - 02:21 PM, said:

So it would seem there are many fighting for the dirty snakes who don't care about the new Star League or actually working as a community. The image below was taken from one of my guys fighting to defend a Davion planet from the dirty snakes who obviously don't care about treaty's and such.

Kurita has not yet signed on to the Star League.

[Harathan]

TripleEhBeef, on 10 February 2015 - 02:16 PM, said:

That feeling where you've been offline for about a week and have no idea what is going on.

Can I get the Coles Notes version instead of reading 33 pages?

Marik decided to form the second Star League. Some positive noises from most Factions. Meeting happened, MercStar tried to attend but were denied entry because people thought they were just in it for the tags/lulz/clans. 20 pages of drama as various MercStar members argued with various Star League members about how that happened, who really speaks for MercStar and what they stand for. MercStar leaders reign in trolls and insist MS is for fun, not tags. Roadbeer requests Marik House unit be allowed to tag a planet for RP purposes. MS refuses to allow it, because they want the tag. Drama kicks off again as MercStar trolls return and Kurita trolls decide to join in as well.

[Tasker]

Ha ha ha. Refusing to become lapdog of Fed Rat now reason to be labeled troll. Funny.

[Richter Kerensky]

I assure you everyone from Kurita who disagrees with the Star League is 100% sincere.