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[-Vompo-]

kesmai, on 18 May 2015 - 03:47 AM, said:

Nope Joseph. A limited time offer is just that: limited. Don't use sophism on things that are obvious.
edit: That is the reason why pgi asks the phoenix buyers. They want to assure there's no legal trouble with the fact the sale was 'limited time' only.

Would you really sue them for putting Pheonix pack back on sale? Would anybody? (by the way answering "I would" means you have more money than sense)

[Intrepid]

VompoVompatti, on 19 May 2015 - 12:58 AM, said:

Would you really sue them for putting Pheonix pack back on sale? Would anybody? (by the way answering "I would" means you have more money than sense)

Only $250 to file...

[EarlGrey83]

I want everyone to enjoy this game to their hearts content, so I vote yes, buy everything you want and have fun.

[Siviiliuhri]

Didn't those (G)old Timpys get sold out at 500$ a piece? I think we can assume that "more money than sense" is given...
And my vote will be No

[Mycrus]

Can i get a "HELL No."

[Nightshade24]

stjobe, on 17 May 2015 - 09:48 PM, said:

I'm going to vote "no".

When you market something as a one-time offer, you'd better be prepared to never offer it again.

I think for this exact reason they should add a skin for all phoenix players (old ones if they vote yes or no, just a reward for getting the kill requirement) to be an exclusive one for each mech. Something cooler =3

[Nightshade24]

Siviiliuhri, on 19 May 2015 - 01:08 AM, said:

Didn't those (G)old Timpys get sold out at 500$ a piece? I think we can assume that "more money than sense" is given...
And my vote will be No

500 dollars. Yep.

but it comes with 240 dollar pack as well with it...

On top of that the 240 dollar pack SAVED 600* dollars, so even when buying a luxury item like the golden timberwolf, you still save 100* dollars for buying it, contrubute a lot to a game you like, and got an item that will be truly an exclusive.

on top of all that. the price of the timberwolf if it counts as a hero x 2 (considering how exclusive it is and bonuses...) throws like 50 dollars on top of that price of 'saved'.


*rounded up.

[Siviiliuhri]

But u still end up paying 500$ and the point was that it is large investment in a game for many peeps who already consider the mechs and vanity item RL pricing to be high. So if for most peeps the price is high regardless of how good deal it is, then the "more money than sense" isn't completely off target when aplied to peeps who can afford it. atleast from the point of view of the less afluent majority.
But your point on the good value on different packs is valid and smthing I'm happy to spend my monies on...I bought the overlord pack after all

Edited by Siviiliuhri, 19 May 2015 - 02:14 AM.

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Rip Snorgan, on 19 May 2015 - 12:26 AM, said:

Something to keep in mind...from the Terms of Use.

"Unless otherwise expressly authorized by us in writing, you agree not to

1. copy, modify, rent, lease, loan, sell, assign, sublicense, grant a security interest in or otherwise transfer any right or interest in Our Content"

Which does not hinder you from selling your login data to anybody.
You do not touch the "right or interest" of the content by doing so.

[Reptilizer]

Nightshade24, on 19 May 2015 - 01:47 AM, said:

500 dollars. Yep.

but it comes with 240 dollar pack as well with it...

On top of that the 240 dollar pack SAVED 600* dollars, so even when buying a luxury item like the golden timberwolf, you still save 100* dollars for buying it, contrubute a lot to a game you like, and got an item that will be truly an exclusive.

on top of all that. the price of the timberwolf if it counts as a hero x 2 (considering how exclusive it is and bonuses...) throws like 50 dollars on top of that price of 'saved'.


*rounded up.

You do not save money by spending it.
Do not fall for the semantics **** of the marketing departments

[Ridir Semii]

seriously, I think PGI should sell the phoenix mechs again (NOT the package)

let me elaborate:
rather than packages of ANY kind, sell the 6 Phoenix chassis as ala carte, that way, those who want a Battlemaster could get one, etc.... no one loses the exclusivity of the original pack, but those (like me) that missed out for whatever reason (my computer took a dump on me, and the "balance" had made MW:O nearly unplayable) could still get the mechs and variants, none of the cockpit stuff, camo stuff, prem time, etc, 3 mechs is all, the Phoenix variant, and 2 others to level it up. edit: and I am the biggest phanboi of the Griffin

Make the ala carte option available for the exact same time frame you made the original package for, and do this to equalize the Phoenix Project with ALL of the other post Founders packages.

On the subject of founders and who would spend the money on that BS setup.... at this point I would buy the level high enough to get one choice of mech as I REALLY REALLY REALLY like the look of the Catapult

Edited by Uminix, 19 May 2015 - 07:30 AM.

[WarHippy]

Roadkill, on 18 May 2015 - 01:52 PM, said:

Why? Because he (and I) want to hold PGI to the terms of the deal we agreed to when we purchased the Phoenix pack? Because we're tired of PGI going back on their word over and over again, screwing the very players who backed them in the first place?

There is a difference between going back on your word and asking if it is ok to do something that they originally didn't plan on doing. Nobody is getting screwed you are just being ridiculous.

Roadkill, on 18 May 2015 - 01:52 PM, said:

Those of you who are demanding we vote yes... get over yourselves. This has nothing to do with those of you who want the Phoenix pack but either didn't or couldn't get it when it came out. You didn't get it for whatever reason. I don't care what those reasons are because they are irrelevant.

I'm not demanding you do anything I just question the validity of needing to feel special as an argument. As for me having or not having the Phoenix pack I hate to break it to you sunshine, but I already have the Overlord package so I will speak on it as much as I feel like it.

Roadkill, on 18 May 2015 - 01:52 PM, said:

The Founders and Phoenix packs were advertised as things that would be available for a short time and then never again. You may have chosen not to buy them, but I chose to buy them in part because of that limited availability. I enjoy having things in games that others can no longer obtain. I enjoy seeing others in games who have things that I can no longer get. It's part of what makes playing the game for a long time cool - even though they cannot be traded or given to anyone, those old things are collectible.

I get that, but it still makes you look petty, snobbish, and elitest in my opinion. Exclusivity might keep some people around, but it can also keep new people away who feel slighted by the fact that they will never be able to acquire certain things. It is a lose lose situation.

Roadkill, on 18 May 2015 - 01:52 PM, said:

The (P) Mechs, their camos, the titles, the badges... all off limits. That's what we purchased, and PGI cannot change that contract of sale after the fact unless they're also willing to refund our money with no negative consequences. Really the only thing about those packs that has any lasting value is the fact that they're unique and no longer obtainable.

If the the owners of the packs vote yes then too bad so sad, and if they vote no then so be it.

[Johnny Z]

Warhammer, Marauder, Phoenix Hawk, Sting, Wasp, Rifleman, Crusader, Archer.


I just wanted to say that.

Edited by Johnny Z, 19 May 2015 - 07:56 AM.

[Richard Hazen]

This has happened in other games I've played, games like Star Trek Online etc, they say exclusive, then they end up in the store later.

[Intrepid]

WarHippy, on 19 May 2015 - 07:50 AM, said:

There is a difference between going back on your word and asking if it is ok to do something that they originally didn't plan on doing.

If the the owners of the packs vote yes then too bad so sad, and if they vote no then so be it.

You seem to be strikingly ignorant of the fact that we ALREADY had a poll and voted a resounding NO.

If PGI is just going to keep polling until they get the answer they want, then there really is no point to the poll.

It is fine that they asked; it is NOT fine that they keep asking.

[Malleus011]

OK, this is starting to piss me off. There is a common argument floating around these forums that anyone who wants to keep something exclusive and limited because it was sold as exclusive and limited is a bad person for wishing to do so.

This argument is ********.

This is a false shame attack, created by assigning imaginary base motives to anyone who wishes to keep the deal they legitimately bought and paid for.

If you find yourself using this kind of attack, you are using low tactics, and your argument essentially boils down to 'but I want it'.

This is also known as whining.

I'm not trying to impugn the character of those of you who would like to buy Phoenix and missed out. There's nothing wrong with that. (I want a Founders Catapult, because I missed out on that). What I'm talking about are the people declaring anyone who wants to keep Phoenix exclusive as selfish, entitled, elitist, or any other negative label. They are making an ad hominem attack, and it's a nasty one, and untrue.

If you own Phoenix, and want to vote to open it up, that's great. It's a generous gesture on your part, and you have every right to relinquish your exclusive priviledge. This does not, however, make anyone who wishes not to resell Phoenix a bad person, they just want PGI to honor their existing deal. They have every right to this opinion, and are doing nothing wrong by voting no.

[WarHippy]

Intrepid, on 19 May 2015 - 08:00 AM, said:

You seem to be strikingly ignorant of the fact that we ALREADY had a poll and voted a resounding NO.

If PGI is just going to keep polling until they get the answer they want, then there really is no point to the poll.

It is fine that they asked; it is NOT fine that they keep asking.

You have a link to that poll? I remember them playing around with the idea, and there was a lot of debate on both sides but I don't recall an actual poll let alone one with a resounding NO. Perhaps I just missed it I don't know. PGI has a habit of leaving polls up for too short a time with little visibility and getting skewed results. Remeber the first poll asking for soft limits on game mode selection where people voted heavily yes so PGI implemented it only to have a huge backlash when it happened so they had another poll that ended up being 50/50 and they reversed course? This is pretty much the same thng, and if they get more people to voice their opinion this time all the better.

Edited by WarHippy, 19 May 2015 - 08:14 AM.

[WarHippy]

Malleus011, on 19 May 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

This is a false shame attack, created by assigning imaginary base motives to anyone who wishes to keep the deal they legitimately bought and paid for.

Its exactly what they are saying it isn't imaginary base motives. They flat out have said they want to feel unique.

Malleus011, on 19 May 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

If you find yourself using this kind of attack, you are using low tactics, and your argument essentially boils down to 'but I want it'.

My argument isn't "but I want it" as I already have it, and my tactics are no lower than some of the ones in here threatening to sue, demand refunds, or call anyone willing to let others have a chance at something stupid or some other thinly veiled insult for dareing to have a different opinion.

Malleus011, on 19 May 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

This is also known as whining.

Its also whining to complain about someone else acquiring something you already have because you want to feel special.

Malleus011, on 19 May 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

I'm not trying to impugn the character of those of you who would like to buy Phoenix and missed out. There's nothing wrong with that. (I want a Founders Catapult, because I missed out on that). What I'm talking about are the people declaring anyone who wants to keep Phoenix exclusive as selfish, entitled, elitist, or any other negative label. They are making an ad hominem attack, and it's a nasty one, and untrue.

Declaring people to be whiners because of their opinion is also an ad hominem attack(welcome to the club). The nasty stuff gets thrown around by both sides so I don't really care if it bothers your sensibilites

Malleus011, on 19 May 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

If you own Phoenix, and want to vote to open it up, that's great. It's a generous gesture on your part, and you have every right to relinquish your exclusive priviledge. This does not, however, make anyone who wishes not to resell Phoenix a bad person, they just want PGI to honor their existing deal. They have every right to this opinion, and are doing nothing wrong by voting no.

I don't think anyone wanting to vote no is a bad person I just don't agree with their reasoning because it boils down to them coming across as elitest/petty. People get way too heated over this topic, and many other topics around here for that matter.

[Apnu]

I'm an Elite Founder, Overlord Phoenix, and Wrath Resistance buyer.

I have no problems if the COMMUNITY votes to open the Phoenix pack for sale again. Its not PGI's decision, IMO, its the community deciding. If all you Phoenix "no" voters really wanted to make sure this didn't happen, you should have picked your most meta non-Phoenix mech and trolled the hell out of the solo queue this weekend hunting Phoenix mechs.

I saw bucket loads of Phoenix mechs going crazy this weekend, that tells me the Phoenix community WANTS to have this vote. We Phoenix buyers have spoken: There will be a vote. We had to get 15k more kills than the Founders to have this vote, we put in the effort to get it. So quit whining and moaning about it and just vote when the poll is open, let the chips fall where they may.

But quit crying about PGI doing this, its petulant, childish behavior and its barking at the wrong guy anyway. If you must whine like a toddler, whine at the community voting 'yes' on the re-sale.

Here, you can whine at me, I'm voting YES, and here is why:

1) I don't care about "exclusivity" Its a freaking video game and every mech can be had for IRL or fake money. There's no real barrier from any player acquiring a clutch of Phoenix mechs and flooding the queues with them. We've already got WVR-6K's and TDRs coming out of our ears in CW, new Phoenix buyer's won't change that. Look, things change in life, I'm grown up enough to understand that.

2) I've talked to a lot of players here on the forums and in other places who came into MWO after the Phoenix sale and wish they'd known about the game and gotten that pack. I'm not a that much of a jerk to deny them that because they're late to the party.

3) Its easy money for PGI to fund the game and work on stuff everybody complains about: maps, game modes, and ping times -- all of which are financial losers for PGI. As it is now, to goose the company's bank account they have to burn cash and resources making new mechs for people to buy. Recycling packs like this saves them money and assets that can be used elsewhere.

4) It helps keep the game free for all the cheapskates and financially strapped who still want to play. More whales are doing you all a favor.

5) Having a selection of mech packs (both the master bundles and these big packs) is good for newbies to get in the game and earn up a good bank of c-bills and XP. That 30, 60, 90 clumps of Premium Time is really worth it combined with the 30% c-bill bonus spread across multiple weight classes.

Edited by Apnu, 19 May 2015 - 08:45 AM.

[JC Daxion]

Dino Might, on 17 May 2015 - 08:51 PM, said:

I say sell them again for two reasons:

More $ to PGI keeps the game F2P and continuing to develop.
Gets people opportunity to buy mechs they may have missed out on. It does not hurt me one bit to have others get what I have. It's not a zero-sum game. Exclusivity demands are for children.

I totally agree... I wish they would release the founders mechs too. I would so love to have a 4G with a c-bill boost!

Malleus011, on 19 May 2015 - 08:10 AM, said:

If you own Phoenix, and want to vote to open it up, that's great. It's a generous gesture on your part, and you have every right to relinquish your exclusive priviledge. This does not, however, make anyone who wishes not to resell Phoenix a bad person, they just want PGI to honor their existing deal. They have every right to this opinion, and are doing nothing wrong by voting no.

So all the years of being able to play the mech isn't enough? All it does is give people another option to have a c-bill mech.. Hardly game breaking..

and if it helps them make more money, so the game can keep running, i am all for that.. anyway they can make money works for me.



and just FYI, companies do this all the time.. sell something for a limited time, then a year or two, or three later and do it again.. a prime example is the Mc donalds Mc rib.. are you pissed off when you go buy one of those, and then they are gone... and wow.. look its 2 years later and its the limited edition mc rib! there is zero difference here.....

Edited by JC Daxion, 19 May 2015 - 08:55 AM.