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[H I A S]

You only have to move 230m and you are in range. with a fast brawldeck no problem (-alpine). the maps have cover enough.

but so many dont understand the game.

[Mazzyplz]

HiasRGB, on 08 June 2015 - 10:46 PM, said:

You only have to move 230m and you are in range. with a fast brawldeck no problem (-alpine). the maps have cover enough.

but so many dont understand the game.

oh yeah and from there you only have to move 190 more to shoot small lasers! YOU'RE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!

it was so simple all along

[Mad Strike]

The only reason why poptart became meta was after a unit won some tournament back in closed beta by breaking the damm game and some smarthasses calling it a "tactic". The mechanic was too damm broken but saddly there was not a set of rules to make it competitive which allowed them to use a cheap movement.

After that .....everyone was using it and cryed hard when screenshake was introduced , some going to extremes saying it make them puke and said they where going to sue PGI for that......pfff what a joke...worst part....they beleive that and lower screenshake.........after a long time they introduced some new rules to jump jets and finally balance it.

Now only those skillfull enough can effectively poptart.

[H I A S]

So much butthurt so many time after the Meta switch

Edited by HiasRGB, 08 June 2015 - 11:35 PM.

[Mazzyplz]

i'm over all of it, since you convincingly proved you can negate a poptart sniper with small lasers

[Mad Strike]

Mazzyplz, on 08 June 2015 - 11:37 PM, said:

i'm over all of it, since you convincingly proved you can negate a poptart sniper with small lasers

He said what ?! LOL XD XD XD XD

[H I A S]

Mazzyplz, on 08 June 2015 - 11:37 PM, said:

i'm over all of it, since you convincingly proved you can negate a poptart sniper with small lasers

No offense taken. I never take from a player, who dont understand the game

[Mazzyplz]

HiasRGB, on 08 June 2015 - 11:46 PM, said:

No offense taken. I never take from a player, who dont understand the game

HiasRGB, on 08 June 2015 - 11:46 PM, said:

No offense taken. I never take from a player, who dont understand the game

why would you be offended? i am thanking you for making me understand!!

your video is also very fun looking; wasn't it fun when 5 cataphract would fight 5 victor in 8 mans?

so good. everyone using the same mech is so much more fun! that is why people make units.
to use the same builds

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Coralld, on 08 June 2015 - 06:51 PM, said:

Should we go back to the Pastry-ageddon days? No, and not just no, but HELL NO!!

Quite the strawman you have going there. No one wants the poptart meta back (well almost no one), but they do want poptarts to actually be able to contend with the laser vomit meta better which it currently does not.

[KharnZor]

Mazzyplz, on 08 June 2015 - 11:54 PM, said:

why would you be offended? i am thanking you for making me understand!!

your video is also very fun looking; wasn't it fun when 5 cataphract would fight 5 victor in 8 mans?

so good. everyone using the same mech is so much more fun! that is why people make units.
to use the same builds

lol wd, i actually caught some of that sarcasm as it was running off the screen in a bucket for later use

[PhoenixFire55]

First they nerf the Highlander to oblivion now they quirk the Highlander to make it better ... when clueless shytdevs are responsible for balance you'll never get a decent game. How is what we have now any different from 'poptarting'?? Same poptarting but instead of jumping from behind cover you peek-a-bool from it using your favorite left-sided / right-sided build. Instead of a 30 pinpoint alpha 3D now you have 42 pinpoint Thunderbolt (thank you stupid quirks), that in addition can make 5-6 alphas before it overheats instead of 2 that 3D did.

Without weapon convergence mechanics the game will always be nothing more than taking pop-shots from wherever, either with or without JJs, but it makes no fkn difference.

[TexAce]

If JJs heat you up to 80% why not.

or if you are limited to non-projectile weapons

or are limited to only one weapon.


35 PPFLD to one component just sucks extremely hard without the chance to fight back.

Edited by TexAss, 09 June 2015 - 12:59 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

TexAss, on 09 June 2015 - 12:59 AM, said:

35 PPFLD to one component just sucks extremely hard without the chance to fight back.

LMAO ... you do realize that unless he is an LRM boat if he shoots you you can always shoot him back, right? Right??

[TexAce]

PhoenixFire55, on 09 June 2015 - 01:47 AM, said:

LMAO ... you do realize that unless he is an LRM boat if he shoots you you can always shoot him back, right? Right??

You do realize that if a poptart shoots you and he is not in your LoS, he will fall down quicker to the ground into cover than you can torso twist? If any other mech shoots you, you can torso twist faster and shoot back than he can backpedal back into cover

if it would have been so easy to fight back poptarts they wouldnt have become the meta back then.

damn...always those people without any clue...

And please show me that 42 pinpoint alpha Thunderbolt. Last I recall Lasers are NOT pinpoint.

Edited by TexAss, 09 June 2015 - 01:56 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

TexAss, on 09 June 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

You do realize that if a poptart shoots you and he is not in your LoS, he will fall down quicker to the ground into cover than you can torso twist? If any other mech shoots you, you can torso twist faster and shoot back than he can backpedal back into cover

Sooooo .... I peek from somewhere you don't see me in my dual gauss non-jumping Jager, shoot you and retreat before you know where I am and that makes my Jager a poptart as well? But sure, go ahead and torso twist yourself while my gauss is in flight ... Better yet, I'll take an ECM Hellbringer and do same.

He knows where you are and you don't know where he is.
You are stationary and he is not.
It would seem to me that you lost this fight because he is simply better than you are. Doesn't really matter what build he has.

TexAss, on 09 June 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

if it would have been so easy to fight back poptarts they wouldnt have become the meta back then.

And of course the fact that JJ give you mobility well beyond simply being able to jump up and down, the fact that nothing except PPCs and ACs registered with any kind of consistency and the fact that most people did little more than camp in the same spot for the entire match have absolutely nothing to do with that meta. Right ...

TexAss, on 09 June 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

damn...always those people without any clue...

A fine self-description sir.

All I can tell you is Get Good or Get Rekt.

TexAss, on 09 June 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

And please show me that 42 pinpoint alpha Thunderbolt. Last I recall Lasers are NOT pinpoint.

0.6s duration on MPL is pretty much pinpoint. Unless of course you can't aim for crap. But then again ...

Get Good or Get Rekt.

[Widowmaker1981]

Kristov Kerensky, on 08 June 2015 - 12:58 PM, said:

Nope, they see that a Dire can hold 2 gauss AND 4 ERPPCs, and that's what they are so rabidly against. Timby can do what, 2 gauss and couple of ERPPCs? It's all relative, ppfld alphas are 2-3x what they were at the height of the poptarting massacres, people who were here for those and still have nightmares will NOT allow that to happen again. I'll bet Russ and Paul both have nightlights

Like I said, it didn't bother me, I STILL do it, albeit in smaller Mechs with much lesser alphas..sorta kinda(love my Nova), so this isn't what I really want, but it's something that should placate the masses and allow Russ and Paul to not have any more nightmares.

See, its comments like this that make me think people should be completely disallowed from talking about balance unless they actually play the mechs involved. Timby with 2 Gauss and 2 PPCs??? It can BARELY do 2 Gauss, only gets 4-5 tons of ammo, and thats with ZERO jumpjets (or PPCs, lol). Obviously never played one, ever. Dire Wolf CAN technically run 2 Gauss + 4 PPCs +2JJs, but it would only have 1 ton of Gauss ammo and be hotter than the surface of the sun.

I know this thread is about jump sniping, but ive seen you post on Clan/IS balance before, and you clearly have no idea on how clan mechs actually operate.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 09 June 2015 - 02:22 AM.

[TexAce]

PhoenixFire55, on 09 June 2015 - 02:06 AM, said:

Sooooo .... I peek from somewhere you don't see me in my dual gauss non-jumping Jager, shoot you and retreat before you know where I am and that makes my Jager a poptart as well? But sure, go ahead and torso twist yourself while my gauss is in flight ... Better yet, I'll take an ECM Hellbringer and do same.

He knows where you are and you don't know where he is.
You are stationary and he is not.
It would seem to me that you lost this fight because he is simply better than you are. Doesn't really matter what build he has.



And of course the fact that JJ give you mobility well beyond simply being able to jump up and down, the fact that nothing except PPCs and ACs registered with any kind of consistency and the fact that most people did little more than camp in the same spot for the entire match have absolutely nothing to do with that meta. Right ...



A fine self-description sir.

All I can tell you is Get Good or Get Rekt.



0.6s duration on MPL is pretty much pinpoint. Unless of course you can't aim for crap. But then again ...

Get Good or Get Rekt.

LOL any good pilot can torso twist enough in 0.6s to spread your lovely pulse lasers over all his upper torso.

Are you playing against the underhive maybe?

Plus JJs give you a much better position over the battlefield and access to people behind cover, while your Dual Guass Gayer...sorry...Jager cant. Plus there are HUD damage indicator showing you exactly where the shot is coming from. Albeit with Poptarts they've fallen down into cover way faster than anyone can backpedal.

You won't get your poptarting crutches back, sorry to dissapoint you. No matter how much you twist around your argumentation.

Edited by TexAss, 09 June 2015 - 02:34 AM.

[Nightshade24]

The problem isn't simply "jump" and "sniping" that should be a return.

The problem si that some mechs jump with max jumpjets and found out a human can climb up the stares faster then you can reach your max altitude.

Things like the highlander and Direwolf are due for a JJ buff, however I think doing something like a large increase in JJ 'refuel' would be needed for assaults to prevent them from stationary pop tarting.

You know. I do want some stuff nerffed due to pop tarting to make a return...

The Banshee hero originally was going to have Jumpjets (it got nerfed to remove it to prevent Pop tarting)

The Hero victor was originally going to be the C-bill victor known as the 9A which not only had the side torso 2E hardpoints, but still had 2E in the arms, and a B with the missile hardpoint. (so back in the day this can be like a 2 gauss 1 er ppc pop tarter, or a crazy 2 er ppc 2 gauss pop tarter).

Stuff like that... However the dragon slayer would kinda need some kind of buff if the Victor 9A was added... because that thing has every hardpoint the DS has but more...

[H I A S]

@Widowmaker: My Dualgausstimby have 6t of Ammo

@TexAss: Please dont speak about Balance. thxggwp
ps: Phoenix play on high Elo

Edited by HiasRGB, 09 June 2015 - 02:46 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

TexAss, on 09 June 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

LOL any good pilot can torso twist enough in 0.6s to spread your lovely pulse lasers over all his upper torso.

Are you playing against the underhive maybe?

Plus JJs give you a much better position over the battlefield and access to people behind cover, while your Dual Guass Gayer...sorry...Jager cant. Plus there are HUD damage indicator showing you exactly where the shot is coming from. Albeit with Poptarts they've fallen down into cover way faster than anyone can backpedal.

You won't get your poptarting crutches back, sorry to dissapoint you. No matter how much you twist around your argumentation.

really? Human reaction time is around 0.5s so, i dont think the remaining 0.1s is enough to spread jack all. Unless you are superhuman?

(those click on the dot when it changes colour tests give overly fast results, due to removing the decision making time involved with real, unexpected situation)