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[H I A S]

@Phoenix: it soaks enough dmg but i dont use it in leagueplay.

[PhoenixFire55]

HiasRGB, on 09 June 2015 - 04:17 AM, said:

@Phoenix: it soaks enough dmg but i dont use it in leagueplay.

You hide too much. My 'working range' on a Gauss-PPC Timber is 400m at most. Need as much armor on the left as I can get.

[JC Daxion]

No, we don't need yet another reason for people to never hit the directional keys.. It is hard enough to get people to move as it is..


as for jump sniping, you can do it in lights and mediums,, heavies and assaults, perhaps a little, but mainly the JJ's are for maneuvering, and getting over smaller obstacles.. to me exactly how it should work.


Fly in a spider,, Or hop over a log in a Victor.. sounds about right to me..

[Bishop Steiner]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 08 June 2015 - 07:16 PM, said:

Let's see, TT JJs.

1 JJ moves over one hex or up one level.

1 hex = 30m
1 level = 6m

So a HGN-732 with 3 JJs should be able to get up TO an 18m object. Which is a 5 story build. Right now, It takes the HGN-732 3 JJs to get just high enough to do leg damage to itself. Which with gravity in game being 3.8x stronger than reality, that means the HGN-732 with 3 JJs only gets 9m in height.

That's HALF of what it should be getting.

My VTR-DS with 4 JJs only gets 10.8m of height. It should be getting 24m.

My CTF-3D with 4 JJs only gets 10.8m of height. Again should be getting 24m.

My SHD-2H with 3 JJs only gets 10m of height, when it should be 18m.

My PNT-10K with 4JJs only gets 13.6m of height. Which is not 18m.

I'm just so tired of having zero control over your trajectory. Too often will be running, jump, and do this weird flat arc into the side of a building, and burn thru my fuel before getting to the top, or hung under a ledge. Very stupid, very annoying. And it seem slike I can do the same jump several times, same speed and such, with different results, lol.

Also seem worse with my Light Mechs, which seems a little counter intuitive. Would like to see you achieve your elevation a lot earlier in the jump.

[H I A S]

PhoenixFire55, on 09 June 2015 - 04:21 AM, said:

You hide too much. My 'working range' on a Gauss-PPC Timber is 400m at most. Need as much armor on the left as I can get.

I use it only for Longerangetrqdes. Gauss-PPC full agree

[PhoenixFire55]

JC Daxion, on 09 June 2015 - 04:46 AM, said:

No, we don't need yet another reason for people to never hit the directional keys.. It is hard enough to get people to move as it is..

Because threads like this and people constantly crying about getting left behind never happened before ...

Ninjaselfquote:

PhoenixFire55, on 09 June 2015 - 04:16 AM, said:

Where do you think 'nascaring' or 'counter-clockwise' circling around the map originated from in the first place?

Gauss K2s were static.
6 PPC Stalkers were static.

Poprarting HGLs, VTRs and CTFs were NEVER static.

[Mazzyplz]

PhoenixFire55, on 09 June 2015 - 03:55 AM, said:

Mechs moving sideways? Ooook ... so where exactly is a strafe button?



The fact that your Cataphract is much wider when you look at it from the front than when you look at it from the side along with the fact that you can stack all your weapons to only one of its sides should tell you smth. The fact that it does not tells us a lot about you however.



Easier actually, it doesn't shoot back anywhere nearly as painfully.

no it tells us more about you, you cannot stack dual gauss in one side of phract. but you know this already;

you are either born dense or you are playing dumb or maybe you are just learning english in 2015, you said a few pages back poptarting is basically the same as popping out of behind a rock, so that would mean according to your dime store logic, that you can get back into cover walking in reverse gear as fast as you can by falling after jumpshooting; which is ASININE - NO YOU CAN'T

like i said try telling that to a little kid maybe they'll buy it... MAYBE

you'd certainly have had to be born yesterday to believe it

or maybe now you'll act like you didn't say such a thing - probably; i'd be embarrased as well




btw found your photobucket; i see you're a furry too, lol - though that's besides the point

Edited by Mazzyplz, 09 June 2015 - 06:04 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Mazzyplz, on 09 June 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

no it tells us more about you, you cannot stack dual gauss in one side of phract. but you know this already;

you are either born dense or you are playing dumb, you said a few pages back poptarting is basically the same as popping out of behind a rock, so that would mean according to your dime store logic, that you can get back into cover walking in reverse gear as you can by falling after jumpshooting; which is ASININE - NO YOU CAN'T

like i said try telling that to a little kid maybe they'll buy it... MAYBE

you'd certainly have had to be born yesterday to believe it

right arm and right torso, actually. Though either you risk an XL to have decent speed, or realistically, a small std, to have enough ammo.

[Widowmaker1981]

Mazzyplz, on 09 June 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

no it tells us more about you, you cannot stack dual gauss in one side of phract. but you know this already;

ILYA MUROMETS

Can also be done on the 3D, with Jump jets.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 09 June 2015 - 05:43 AM.

[Mazzyplz]

ok i stand corrected there - have not actually seen that ever in the field though

and likely for good reason

even if it were viable, it would still definitely not be equal to a poptart from pre-nerf JJ

Edited by Mazzyplz, 09 June 2015 - 06:07 AM.

[Saint Scarlett Johan]

Bishop Steiner, on 09 June 2015 - 04:47 AM, said:

I'm just so tired of having zero control over your trajectory. Too often will be running, jump, and do this weird flat arc into the side of a building, and burn thru my fuel before getting to the top, or hung under a ledge. Very stupid, very annoying. And it seem slike I can do the same jump several times, same speed and such, with different results, lol.

Also seem worse with my Light Mechs, which seems a little counter intuitive. Would like to see you achieve your elevation a lot earlier in the jump.

I wish from a standing burn it would take you straight up. From there you could hit W or S to take you forwards or backwards. Which you already can, but it's only noticeable if you have 7+ JJs equipped. I hate jumping into the side of a building or cliff only to slide up it slowly and burn out of fuel just from the top or getting hung on a ledge.

[H I A S]

Mazzyplz, on 09 June 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

no it tells us more about you, you cannot stack dual gauss in one side of phract. but you know this already;

you are either born dense or you are playing dumb or maybe you are just learning english in 2015, you said a few pages back poptarting is basically the same as popping out of behind a rock, so that would mean according to your dime store logic, that you can get back into cover walking in reverse gear as fast as you can by falling after jumpshooting; which is ASININE - NO YOU CAN'T

like i said try telling that to a little kid maybe they'll buy it... MAYBE

you'd certainly have had to be born yesterday to believe it

or maybe now you'll act like you didn't say such a thing - probably; i'd be embarrased as well




btw found your photobucket; i see you're a furry too, lol - though that's besides the point

[Coralld]

WM Quicksilver, on 09 June 2015 - 12:19 AM, said:

Quite the strawman you have going there. No one wants the poptart meta back (well almost no one), but they do want poptarts to actually be able to contend with the laser vomit meta better which it currently does not.

That's funny, your funny. You clearly did not read my entire post if you are saying I am making a strawman argument by cherry picking that one line out of the entire post you are quoting from.

Edited by Coralld, 09 June 2015 - 06:45 AM.

[KharnZor]

Widowmaker1981, on 09 June 2015 - 03:02 AM, said:

Then you are stripping too much leg armour

Haha wow is that a perfect example of an underhive mech.

[Mystere]

VompoVompatti, on 08 June 2015 - 09:13 PM, said:

I'm sure all of us want proper jump jets but most don't want jump sniping to become the meta again.

Why not? People seem to constantly complain about the so called "meta" anyway, whatever it may currently be, day in and day out, ad infinitum.

There is a really big reason why we cannot have really good things. And it has less to do with PGI.

[Mystere]

TexAss, on 09 June 2015 - 01:53 AM, said:

You do realize that if a poptart shoots you and he is not in your LoS, he will fall down quicker to the ground into cover than you can torso twist? If any other mech shoots you, you can torso twist faster and shoot back than he can backpedal back into cover

If a mech is not in your LOS, whether a poptart or a poker, how can you shoot back if you don't know where it is?

TexAss, on 09 June 2015 - 02:33 AM, said:

Are you playing against the underhive maybe?

Are you speaking about yourself?

Edited by Mystere, 09 June 2015 - 06:58 AM.

[Ultimax]

Mazzyplz, on 09 June 2015 - 06:02 AM, said:

ok i stand corrected there - have not actually seen that ever in the field though

and likely for good reason

even if it were viable, it would still definitely not be equal to a poptart from pre-nerf JJ

That was a relatively common load out, it was viable but mounting 2x PPCs was more optimal as it:

1) lowered ammo reliance
2) utilized the higher torso energy mounts

[Bishop Steiner]

Lord Scarlett Johan, on 09 June 2015 - 06:11 AM, said:

I wish from a standing burn it would take you straight up. From there you could hit W or S to take you forwards or backwards. Which you already can, but it's only noticeable if you have 7+ JJs equipped. I hate jumping into the side of a building or cliff only to slide up it slowly and burn out of fuel just from the top or getting hung on a ledge.

A Mech like the spider should also have lateral control to a degree, as a Quirk. It was a lore feature, as well as being cooler jumping than other mechs.

Ultimatum X, on 09 June 2015 - 07:10 AM, said:

That was a relatively common load out, it was viable but mounting 2x PPCs was more optimal as it:

1) lowered ammo reliance
2) utilized the higher torso energy mounts

for a relatively common loadout I almost never saw it. Once in a while, but not commonly. Mostly because it exposed a heck of a lot more mech to counterfire, I suppose. Saw it much more often on the Ilya as an alternate to the 3xUAC or 3xLBX

[PhoenixFire55]

Mazzyplz, on 09 June 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

no it tells us more about you, you cannot stack dual gauss in one side of phract. but you know this already;

LMAO ... look people. We got a PRO GAMER here.

Mazzyplz, on 09 June 2015 - 05:39 AM, said:

you are either born dense or you are playing dumb or maybe you are just learning english in 2015, you said a few pages back poptarting is basically the same as popping out of behind a rock, so that would mean according to your dime store logic, that you can get back into cover walking in reverse gear as fast as you can by falling after jumpshooting; which is ASININE - NO YOU CAN'T

You totally have no clue what I was talking about. Really just let people who actually understand something discuss serious stuff here and go do something else. Shoo.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Widowmaker1981, on 09 June 2015 - 02:21 AM, said:

See, its comments like this that make me think people should be completely disallowed from talking about balance unless they actually play the mechs involved. Timby with 2 Gauss and 2 PPCs??? It can BARELY do 2 Gauss, only gets 4-5 tons of ammo, and thats with ZERO jumpjets (or PPCs, lol). Obviously never played one, ever. Dire Wolf CAN technically run 2 Gauss + 4 PPCs +2JJs, but it would only have 1 ton of Gauss ammo and be hotter than the surface of the sun.

I know this thread is about jump sniping, but ive seen you post on Clan/IS balance before, and you clearly have no idea on how clan mechs actually operate.

I don't drive Timbys, that's true, I've stated that numerous times, I love what Alex did with them, I just can't stand the model and refuse to touch it. That's why my statement was worded as a question, I know you can fit dual Gauss on the Timby, but not what else can go with it. I know I can put dual Gauss and 4 ERPPCs on my Dire, I've done it, and it's not that hot, maybe try a little trigger discipline?

And the point wasn't WHAT is viable in a drop, the point was what the MASSES think, you know, the MASSES that screamed and cried and whined and threatened to get refunds on their money due to poptarting, the reason we have such crappy JJs, charge up Gauss, slow as hell PPC/ERPPC velocities? Guess you missed that? Trying SO hard to make out that you are a pro gamer that you totally missed the entire point of my point.

I don't have a problem with poptarting, I did it, I STILL do it, it's been around since MW2. It was an explotive tactice in the previous MW titles due to how 3rd PoV allowed you to SEE and TARGET the enemy when they couldn't see you and you actually had NO LoS on them. THAT is why the hatred for poptarting is so strong and so widespread.

MWO, that 3PoV target exploit doesn't exist, so who gives a surat's ass about poptarters? They need to get a LoS before they can target you, so they have to expose themselves. Not a problem, it's a valid tactic, no exploiting taking place as in all the previous MW titles.

Widowmaker1981, on 09 June 2015 - 02:44 AM, said:

really? Human reaction time is around 0.5s so, i dont think the remaining 0.1s is enough to spread jack all. Unless you are superhuman?

(those click on the dot when it changes colour tests give overly fast results, due to removing the decision making time involved with real, unexpected situation)

You are one SLOW human being, you know that? Seriously, you are, average median reaction time for a human being without any training is 215 milliseconds. Faster for people who train for quicker reflexes for whatever reason, athletes, martial artists, magicians and so on.

You should work on your reflexes, google it...

PhoenixFire55, on 09 June 2015 - 04:06 AM, said:

Nice to know that sir Xetelian (whoever he is) is a sole representor of the majority of the playerbase and speaks for them all.

His is the typical response to the subject of poptarting, something you would know if you actually paid any attention at all to this game, MW4, MW3 and MW2, when it comes to the subject. But since you actually think poptarting takes skill, what can be expected from you really? Top comp players generally don't actually know a damn thing about what the average player thinks of the game, despite the fact that the top comp population is under 5% for any online game WITH a huge playerbase, probably under 1% for MWO. And for the record, since you obviously have no clue, poptarting has been around in the MW titles since MW2, the comp scene has been around for the MW titles since MW2 as well, and the exact same response to poptarting has been around since MW2. Exploiting game mechanics were the cause of the issues with poptarting in the previous MW titles, as I already explained, doesn't happen in MWO, but people who've already been burned by the top comp players who exploited the game mechanics tend to not give a damn about that fact, they just know they hate it because the top comp players used exploits and ruined the fun. So they expect the exact same bs from the top comp players in MWO, exploiting anything they can find just to win and ruining the fun for everyone else. Go on, tell me that is not happening, I dare ya to type it with a straight face too.

Poptarting as it existed in MWO isn't going to come back, it won't be the tactic of choice by the top comp players because NOW it actually isn't risk free, although it's still very easy to do and requires little in the way of skill, the risk/reward ratio is just not in a good place, so, not a meta tactic.

And please Mr Pro Gamer, explain to us mere mortals how the meta laservomit requires so much skill... Oh, wait, if you think like Winter does that a half second reaction time is fast, well hells, THAT explains it all! You guys all have stupidly slow reaction times, so being able to react in microseconds like the rest of us is just not possible...wow, that explains SO much now! If that's not it, maybe it's just the fact that your aim isn't all that great. 4 kills without breaking 200 damage, all solo kills and kills most damage(yes, you do actually get both if you actually SOLO kill a target), what's your top kill count for lowest damage? I could give a damn that you break 1k damage a drop, that just means you can't aim for crap son, it only takes 37 damage to drop a Mech regardless of size. So if you are averaging 200 or more per kill, you aren't a top comp player son, you are a piss poor shot who needs to L2P.

Oh, and Phoenix, the first RHoD was during CB...guess you missed it.