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[Mudhutwarrior]

Bush Hopper, on 21 June 2015 - 12:39 PM, said:

Bishop, sure sync drops aren't that common. However, so many small things add up that at the end you have a steaming pile of ****

See that's what they do. There really isn't any argument all these things contribute but they can't argue that. They harp on one item of several I mentioned like posting a vid about one build out of the thirty or so I have. I must be a baddie though my K/d is positive....

Truly a can't see the forest for the trees mentality or its they just don't want to

Or want you to.

[Weeny Machine]

Mudhutwarrior, on 21 June 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

See that's what they do. There really isn't any argument all these things contribute but they can't argue that. They harp on one item of several I mentioned like posting a vid about one build out of the thirty or so I have. I must be a baddie though my K/d is positive....

Truly a can't see the forest for the trees mentality or its they just don't want to

Or want you to.

I don't even understand what you want. I just read pearls of wisdom from you like "solos can't learn" and shake my head.

[Boris The Spider]

Mudhutwarrior, on 21 June 2015 - 12:43 PM, said:

...like posting a vid about one build out of the thirty or so I have. I ...

Its not about your build Mud, its about your attitude. You harp on for half that vid about premades cheating, the video clearly shows no such thing. You see premades because :

Mudhutwarrior, on 21 June 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

You guys need to not make it obvious. Just now dropped into a pug match in solo. Two lances ball up and drive over the top while the light captures in the opening moments. Not any variation in movement between them. No chat, no voip used.

This is something that you should have picked up how to do in the first month of playing this game.
There are only 2-3 basic plays for each map, which one you are using in a PUG depends on one thing, if Alpha groups to Bravo, or Bravo groups to Alpha.

Mudhutwarrior, on 21 June 2015 - 08:46 AM, said:

Pugs don't do that. Its always chaos in the beginning as everyone gets their bearings or chat and or voip gets chatter then the team coalesces into a unit. Even on the best pugs teams concentrated fire is hit or miss unless targets are called.

Nope, its just you can't do this. Focus fire is so basic man, first mech encounters a target, locks it, second mech sees the locked target moves to get a firing line, if the first mech is taking damage he pulls back to protect himself while the second, third and fourth mech converge for the kill. Its text book play, it requires no VOIP, no cheats, nobody even needs to call the target, its obvious who it is just from the information provided by the HUD. How can you not have learnt to do this by now is beyond me.

Edited by Boris The Spider, 21 June 2015 - 01:21 PM.

[Mudhutwarrior]

Boris The Spider, on 21 June 2015 - 01:16 PM, said:

Its not about your build Mud, its about your attitude. You harp on for half that vid about premades cheating, the video clearly shows no such thing. You see premades because :



This is something that you should have picked up how to do in the first month of playing this game.
There are only 2-3 basic plays for each map, which one you are using in a PUG depends on one thing, if Alpha groups to Bravo, or Bravo groups to Alpha.



Nope, its just you can't do this. Focus fire is so basic man, first mech encounters a target, locks it, second mech sees the locked target moves to get a firing line, if the first mech is taking damage he pulls back to protect himself while the second, third and fourth mech converge for the kill. Its text book play, it requires no VOIP, no cheats, nobody even needs to call the target, its obvious who it is just from the information provided by the HUD. How can you not have learnt to do this by now is beyond me.

Again its not about me so stop attempting to break it on me. That's one vid from long ago when I was going around with the poster here on the forums. It's an old playbook and only your contemporaries are buying it.

If I can't do this I would not have a positive k/d even though it just suffered through leveling urbies.

I do just fine in game. we are addressing an issue posted on many times a week here if you haven't noticed. Threads I didn't start so stop sidelineing a thread like you buddy in 66ah. We learned his game now were on to yours in the same style as his.

[FupDup]

You'll just have to carry harder like a good little boy.

[Porcorosso101]

Latest losing streak - 8-0 with my brand new hugin then i realised i had stored srm ammo on my torsos...yep that really didnt help my survival either...

[omessiaho]

Bush Hopper, on 21 June 2015 - 11:47 AM, said:

• Teams which do not even move forward and suddenly the noose is around their neck and they get outflanked. Oh, poor scouts and brave souls who dared to move before. They were thrown to the wolves first

Or they do manage to find the forward button and lose their courage the second a locust fires from out of range, splashing their mech and doing no damage. Or the single volley of LRM5s that cause them to suddenly stop out in the open. Or if they're really bright they hide behind a rock, paralyzed with fear only to be overrun by the enemy that is free to move in the open. A classic is staring where they saw the enemy, expecting them to expose themselves or something and refusing to look left as their team dies around them. My favorite is on forest colony where everyone sprints full bore only to stop in the pocket. Its like "**** yeah lets do this..." "Eh, maybe not."

The worst thing is you are punished for not doing these stupid things. Not afraid of the LRM5s and push, you have no backup. Smart enough to not just hide you are focus fired. Actually move to confront the flank and you are all alone.

This got ranty, sorry. Your post just brought up some repressed feelings.

Edited by omessiaho, 21 June 2015 - 01:45 PM.

[SolarCleric]

Kieferchirurg, on 21 June 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

I lost 15 games in a row. solo queue. 80% of the matches i do 400+ dmg, 0-2 kills, several components... why is the matchmaking doing this to me?!

I would guess because you got saddled with players like me? My average damage is 200, and some maps I should just spontaneously explode before the match starts and save myself some time. I think I can speak for most of the walking salvage out there, and grossly apologize to you for dragging your playing experience down into the muck.

But know that most of us puggers lacking in knowledge, experience, and skill, don't mean to be as bad as we are...and eventually after 100s of matches playing as the "Generals" to the globe trotting first founding elite players.....some of us will be weeded out and others will become slightly tolerable if they listen (but never speak) in team speak. Until then, those that are about to die salute you for your perseverance, and wish you nothing but the best. Please keep playing, we need your fighting spirit, your grit, but most importantly, we need your true aim to pierce our engines and make the suffering stop.

[Peter2k]

Kieferchirurg, on 21 June 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

I lost 15 games in a row. solo queue. 80% of the matches i do 400+ dmg, 0-2 kills, several components... why is the matchmaking doing this to me?!

thats all the payback for causing so much pain doing things to peoples teeth oral surgeon

eh sometimes the MM seems to think you need to be taken down quite some notches
I teamed up after having a losing streak of 25 matches or so (well again and again)

Mudhutwarrior, on 21 June 2015 - 09:27 AM, said:

a large population of people using exploits or bending the rules as far as they can to outgun others

while completely ignoring the real life stuff you talk about (this game is for having fun)

hmm

isn't it called TS, and is built into the game these days, you know thats what half the players deactivate in the solo que

SolarCleric, on 21 June 2015 - 02:32 PM, said:

I would guess because you got saddled with players like me? My average damage is 200, and some maps I should just spontaneously explode before the match starts and save myself some time. I think I can speak for most of the walking salvage out there, and grossly apologize to you for dragging your playing experience down into the muck.

ehh

problem is you need to be put against similar skilled people for the first 25 matches or so in 4vs4 and under 50 or so 8vs8

then you can even make a mistake without insta death


hell I remember dying horribly in my first 2 or 3 dozen matches, and that was 8vs8 and no clan tech

PGI should make it easier on new players softening the difficulty curve

Edited by Peter2k, 21 June 2015 - 03:56 PM.

[Dingo Battler]

Bush Hopper, on 21 June 2015 - 11:47 AM, said:

AFKers
Is it so hard to be active when the game starts? This weekend I had so many matches were I had often 1-2 AFKers. But hey, why not have a kick option like in certain other online games where someone gets replaced if he isn't responding to a window within a certain time after the team marks him as afk.

This. There's always 1-2 mechs that don't move until 3-4 mins into the game. I don't mind if its a light, but more often than not, its heavies and assaults, severely crippling the team's ability.

There was a match where the DW didn't move till our whole team wiped. We were 6-11 then. He just waited at our base, and shot whoever came near with an ungodly amount of AC. finished the game 12-11, with him bagging 6 kills, and no internal damage. Apparently he was active from the start, but was just a douche camping out for kills.

[Nightshade24]

bad arcade kitty, on 21 June 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

if you play soloq you won't meet groups if you have a long loss streak in the group queue it means your group probably isn't that good...

I wish this was true.

but I had 5 people from the same unit before in an earlier pug game... sync dropped, 1 was on the enemy team though.

Happens rather often for me >.>

[DustySkunk]

KBurn85, on 21 June 2015 - 05:31 PM, said:

This. There's always 1-2 mechs that don't move until 3-4 mins into the game. I don't mind if its a light, but more often than not, its heavies and assaults, severely crippling the team's ability.

There was a match where the DW didn't move till our whole team wiped. We were 6-11 then. He just waited at our base, and shot whoever came near with an ungodly amount of AC. finished the game 12-11, with him bagging 6 kills, and no internal damage. Apparently he was active from the start, but was just a douche camping out for kills.

It used to be much more common, but has fallen out of favor more recently as people caught on and light packs made a habit of checking spawns for AFK players to farm easy kills. It's a tried and true douche move, and is worth reporting (under non-participation) if you catch someone doing it on purpose.

[Zookeeper Dan]

I was about 50/50 win/loss until my last streak, now I think I have about 60 more losses than wins. And this losing streak has gonegone on even as I keep getting better. Additionally I've noticed that my play doesn't contribute to a win or loss. Sure I'll have the occasional terrible game, but just as often I'm in a light or medium with 300-400 damage and one of the only kills. I still lose.

It wouldn't be so bad except I've been trying to level mechs and there is a huge bonus for winning. Once I get a win I'll move onto a different for the 2x bonus mech so wins get me 1800+ xp while a loss is only 300-400.

I wish xp was rewarded more for play instead of who's been randomly placed on your team.

Too many times I've watched the team chase squirrels or see two disconnects on my team and known we're going to lose. The worst was observing my last teammate in a dire with LRM's, AC 5's and 2's, and small pulse lasers all on weapon group 1 capping. Yep, that was a loss.

[Escef]

Danth Reduviid, on 21 June 2015 - 06:50 PM, said:

I was about 50/50 win/loss until my last streak, now I think I have about 60 more losses than wins. And this losing streak has gonegone on even as I keep getting better. Additionally I've noticed that my play doesn't contribute to a win or loss. Sure I'll have the occasional terrible game, but just as often I'm in a light or medium with 300-400 damage and one of the only kills. I still lose.

It wouldn't be so bad except I've been trying to level mechs and there is a huge bonus for winning. Once I get a win I'll move onto a different for the 2x bonus mech so wins get me 1800+ xp while a loss is only 300-400.

I wish xp was rewarded more for play instead of who's been randomly placed on your team.

Too many times I've watched the team chase squirrels or see two disconnects on my team and known we're going to lose. The worst was observing my last teammate in a dire with LRM's, AC 5's and 2's, and small pulse lasers all on weapon group 1 capping. Yep, that was a loss.

I frequently break 1000 XP on a loss. If you're leveling mechs, UAVs are generally XP goldmines. If people are chasing the squirrel it takes very little effort to hold down caps lock for a second and say, "Don't chase him if you aren't fast enough to catch him," we have VOIP, use it. Also, how do you know everything was on group 1? You do realize that while spectating it shows ALL weapons in group 1 regardless of where they actually are?

[Decadre]

It's probably some sort of placebo type of effect, but I find that exiting the gaming and logging in again gets me out of those bad losing streaks.

[Ishiku]

I usually stop go play a different game altogether after losing 4 or 5 times in a row and come back an hour or 2 later. Usually I can get in a few wins. I feel like it helps because I can clear my mind from going on tilt and preventing a further tilt, also different people are playing at the time, maybe people with better teamwork play at that time, idk.

I know that my dad refuses to play around 7-9pm on weekdays because he just cant seem to win in that time period.

[InspectorG]

Kieferchirurg, on 21 June 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

I lost 15 games in a row. solo queue. 80% of the matches i do 400+ dmg, 0-2 kills, several components... why is the matchmaking doing this to me?!

Welcome to ELO Hell.

We have free cookies and coffee.
Wear your name tag and carry harder.

[bad arcade kitty]

i found a way to stop to care if i win or lose... too bad it's like a cure worse than the disease
i now care if i killed somebody or not instead

[InspectorG]

Kieferchirurg, on 21 June 2015 - 09:51 AM, said:

I keep working on my skills and build some fine mechs and maybe one day i will be able to lead a PUG to victory!

Most Pugs are battles of the 'less bad'. Little coordination. Bad builds. Run to the center tactics.

When the Pug Life gets too real, i drop in my Spider V, had a 3 kill 400+ damage match today. Still lost though.
This is why we have Locusts, Commandos, Lynxes, Spider V/K...

[Mycrus]

Kieferchirurg, on 21 June 2015 - 07:25 AM, said:

I lost 15 games in a row. solo queue. 80% of the matches i do 400+ dmg, 0-2 kills, several components... why is the matchmaking doing this to me?!

Maybe play with winning for the team as the goal instead of getting gud dmg and killz?

since the stat wipe ive cared less for kdr...

My wlr has always been positive even when i played pugs mostly...

*played - taking a break until the steam seals come to town..