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[Haji1096]

Is PGI running a charity ?

No, They need to make money somehow.

[Damien Tokala]

Ya know hades... I bet pgi could give you every mech ever made, and you would still complain about it.

For the 3rd time... Go play with your toys, silly... Smoke... Jaguar....kitten

[Repasy Cooper]

Haji1096, on 01 July 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

Is PGI running a charity ?

No, They need to make money somehow.

What he said.

Hades, we're not being entitled. We like that PGI is coming out with new content, more and more frequently, and we support this increased dedication of the devs by buying the mech packs they release. In turn, the devs respond to this buy working hard to make more available in this game.

[Hades Trooper]

XX Sulla XX, on 01 July 2015 - 09:32 AM, said:

Come on guys we have Cbill Dire Wolves, Timber Wolves, Storm Crows, Hellbringers, Firestarters, Thunderbolts, Wolverines etc etc etc. You are fine with Cbill mechs. And we have no idea how they are going to try and balance IIC mechs yet. Nor do we even know what the over all rebalancing will look like. This game is far from pay for anything except early access to new mechs.

Early access to many people is Pay 4 Power.

This isn't about the next wave coming out, sorry if you didn't get that, it's about the perceive value people are willing to pay for to get whatever advantage they feel they will get from early access compared to selling a product on it's own merits.

therefore is some value of the purchase price is placed early acess part of the bundle then we have the issue of p2w and p4p arising.

surely if they said put mechs out for MC for same days release as for $$ then we still have bundles, we still have single sales we still get c-bills as someone suggested make the c-bill price a lot more than normal.

then we still support the game by buying bundles and getting medallions and prem time and other goodies, but as far as it goes on the battlefield, no one has got a leg up over anyone else.

even if it's just a small leg up saying getting use to the mech, etc.

Surely we can't blame people who do cry P2W after how the timber wolf was handled. I say this as a founder and full tier wave 1 2 owner with restainace and other packs owner.

I just thought if this issue was brought up by someone who wasn't seen as a free loader playing off the back of other people funding, then perhaps we can have a real discussion on the matter but it would seem alot of people have there heads stuck in the sand and think if they ignore it it will go away.

I'm wondering if people have any suggestions other than stick the head in the sand and ignore it, it will go away, or are people really that willing to make the game even more niche and have it die off like so money other of the past titles did. ( please not not go off in some tangent as to if MWLL was still flying the flags etc)

[Hades Trooper]

Repasy, on 01 July 2015 - 09:47 AM, said:

What he said.

Hades, we're not being entitled. We like that PGI is coming out with new content, more and more frequently, and we support this increased dedication of the devs by buying the mech packs they release. In turn, the devs respond to this buy working hard to make more available in this game.

I'm not asking them to run a charity but with the steam release coming they need to get rid of this p2w and p4p tags or it will die very quickly in the hands of the steam community i feel.

I buy packs also so yes i'm supporting the company, but i can see how this is dubious marketing at best to place the big value on early access rather than give me more medallion or make all the mechs have the c-bill bonus etc.

to market the packs on early access will only contie to fuel the flames of p2w,

what can we do to stop that so the game doesn't get flamed on the steam reviews?

i'm said my suggestion, have u got one?

[mogs01gt]

DarthRevis, on 01 July 2015 - 09:10 AM, said:

I guess you dont play CW much....
They give out Mech bays, GXP, MC, Cockpit items and much, much more every day for.....

no-one plays CW

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FREE

Time spent doesnt equal free

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Wasting Cbills to level mechs? This is new to me...i didnt know i could spend cbill to skill my mechs (because you cant)

Not sure if you are dense or just stupid. You have to unlock Mech variants into order to master mechs.....

Edited by mogs01gt, 01 July 2015 - 09:53 AM.

[Hades Trooper]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

Ya know hades... I bet pgi could give you every mech ever made, and you would still complain about it.

For the 3rd time... Go play with your toys, silly... Smoke... Jaguar....kitten

the fact u say for the 3rd time, shows u having nothing ton contribute and are just a troll, which btw i've asked the mods to remove your posts and my comments regarding you as this isn't keeping on topic and you are tiresome and a lonely lonely man to continue to harass when obviously you have nothying to add but childish insults.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Hades, when we've actually got something to WIN in this game, you can start making your arguments about Pay 4 Power and Pay 2 Win, which are actually the exact same thing and you know it.

Since there is NOT a single damn thing in this game to win, you have NO argument at all, nothing, nada, zilch.

So take your soapbox and go find another corner to set it up on, go on, move along sonny, yer blocking traffic.

[Wildstreak]

I keep seeing posts like the OP claiming early access is P2W / P2P.
I have yet to see any proof backing up this claim.

[Damien Tokala]

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 09:54 AM, said:

the fact u say for the 3rd time, shows u having nothing ton contribute and are just a troll, which btw i've asked the mods to remove your posts and my comments regarding you as this isn't keeping on topic and you are tiresome and a lonely lonely man to continue to harass when obviously you have nothying to add but childish insults.

do i need to quote every single time you've done the exact same to more people than just me? calling them morons, and fuckwits (or in your terms, farkwits). yeah i'm calling you out, because you're essentially doing nothing but complaining about not getting what you want.

[Hades Trooper]

Haji1096, on 01 July 2015 - 09:43 AM, said:

Is PGI running a charity ?

No, They need to make money somehow.

There making money and doing in a manner that doesn't come across as dubious at best.

How can they claim this is a F2P game when they market advantages, real or just forseen, such as early access.

Some of these mechs have been completely OP and how it was handled was a really poorly done. The marketing team on this game suck so badly i can't imagine there anything but just out of high school.

Even if it wasn't the plan look at that timing with the nerf of the timber and the release of the Ebon Jaguar. Worst possible handling ever.

An people wonder why there is a cloud of P2W over this game.

Perception is real in the eyes of the beholder, so even if mechs in waves now aren't OP, the impression that has been given is there is bound to be 1 mech in each wave thats easy OP. That impression has been given to them by PGI or are we going to keep blaming IGP?

PGI wake up to yourself, this current format of pack marketing is going to kill you on steam, someone needs to wake and smell the roses and realise this game could grow into one of the best games ever but in a growth stage like this, all where gonna get with a steam release atm is a complete negatives reviews and a p2w label.

[Repasy Cooper]

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 09:52 AM, said:

I'm not asking them to run a charity but with the steam release coming they need to get rid of this p2w and p4p tags or it will die very quickly in the hands of the steam community i feel.

I buy packs also so yes i'm supporting the company, but i can see how this is dubious marketing at best to place the big value on early access rather than give me more medallion or make all the mechs have the c-bill bonus etc.

to market the packs on early access will only contie to fuel the flames of p2w,

what can we do to stop that so the game doesn't get flamed on the steam reviews?

i'm said my suggestion, have u got one?

That's so contradictory to what you're debating. You say that we need to get rid of this 'p4p' tag, but at the same time give more medallion & c-bill bonuses to paying players? If anything would get steam players heated up over a paywall, THAT would. The more content we release that can't be obtained for free, the more people will turn away IMMEDIATELY come steam release.

[Kristov Kerensky]

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 10:01 AM, said:

There making money and doing in a manner that doesn't come across as dubious at best.

How can they claim this is a F2P game when they market advantages, real or just forseen, such as early access.

Some of these mechs have been completely OP and how it was handled was a really poorly done. The marketing team on this game suck so badly i can't imagine there anything but just out of high school.

Even if it wasn't the plan look at that timing with the nerf of the timber and the release of the Ebon Jaguar. Worst possible handling ever.

An people wonder why there is a cloud of P2W over this game.

Perception is real in the eyes of the beholder, so even if mechs in waves now aren't OP, the impression that has been given is there is bound to be 1 mech in each wave thats easy OP. That impression has been given to them by PGI or are we going to keep blaming IGP?

PGI wake up to yourself, this current format of pack marketing is going to kill you on steam, someone needs to wake and smell the roses and realise this game could grow into one of the best games ever but in a growth stage like this, all where gonna get with a steam release atm is a complete negatives reviews and a p2w label.

There is NO cloud of P2W over this game, that's just you, as has been pointed out repeatedly when you bring this subject up.

But hey, we already know how this song and dance will go, again.

[Hades Trooper]

Wildstreak, on 01 July 2015 - 09:57 AM, said:

I keep seeing posts like the OP claiming early access is P2W / P2P.
I have yet to see any proof backing up this claim.

So the threads of new players saying p2w and friends talking to me why they left aren't reasons?

people preception is exactly that a perception and people don't need any proof to come up a perception.

As for proof, look how the timber release and OPness was handled and that it nerf also happened to occur when the next suppose OP heavy was coming out the Ebon Jaguar.

Have you forgetten so quickly? did u really need a recap?

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 09:59 AM, said:

do i need to quote every single time you've done the exact same to more people than just me? calling them morons, and fuckwits (or in your terms, farkwits). yeah i'm calling you out, because you're essentially doing nothing but complaining about not getting what you want.

go bother someone else who cares, you obvious have bothing to add therefore a waste of my time troll

[mogs01gt]

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 10:03 AM, said:

So the threads of new players saying p2w and friends talking to me why they left aren't reasons?

You are going up against blind fanboys and battletech nut huggers. Most arent real gamers who play multiple genre's. They cant see the forest through the trees.

[Hades Trooper]

Kristov Kerensky, on 01 July 2015 - 09:55 AM, said:

Hades, when we've actually got something to WIN in this game, you can start making your arguments about Pay 4 Power and Pay 2 Win, which are actually the exact same thing and you know it.

Since there is NOT a single damn thing in this game to win, you have NO argument at all, nothing, nada, zilch.

So take your soapbox and go find another corner to set it up on, go on, move along sonny, yer blocking traffic.

That's why i said Pay for power, not p2w. there is a difference, perhaps learn this and you will understand why we have a competative events, it's all about lording over people, that's why i've said Pay 4 Power.

NEXT

[Lord Perversor]

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

An again we have a moron who has no idea at all who or what i stand for.

I'm sorry but i call a spade a spade not a shovel, do you understand that now?

I have Founders tags, full wave 1 and 2 purchases, plus some resistance mechs, so a little FYI matey. So i have ponied up the cash dimwit and yet as someone who's gotten the shinies early.

I"m sorry but it was a pay 4 power situation. I was there, i was lording it over people in my Summoners and whales.

So i'm sorry i'm not some cheap arse cash strapped cry baby u keep trying to imply. I'm just giving an honest view on how i see the game as it currently is.

Thx for resort to the petty insults and rethoric to put yourself on the moral highground.

Hades Trooper, on 01 July 2015 - 08:20 AM, said:

Now for everyone who talking about mech comparisons, please get back on topic or post else where.

The TOPIC is

Are mech packs sold on an early access/pay 4 power system or are they really being sold on mech pack value?

I know it would be good to test this theory by making new mechs in mech packs come out as same time for c-bills but put a tax, for lack of a better word ( i'm no wordsmith), so there a higher cost than normal intitially.

Then those wouldn't be behind a paywall and if these packs are truly value for money than just pay 4 power they would sell just as well now.

Yet the Phoenix mech are Pay 4 power? they where just a top notch above anything previous released?
Nope
Yet the clan Wave I and II are Pay 4 Power?
The Stormcrow? none pretty much ignored as competitive until the Laser vomit era began.
The Timber wolf? broken since TT standards due it's perfect design
The Dire Whale? only because it provides massive boating on any kind

Clan Wave II are op too? nein only the Hellbringer ECM capability gives it life

Resistance pack are OP i see Grasshoppers, Zeus,Phanter and Enforcers dominating the Battlefield now!!! oh wait they are not the Same 3x Broken clan mechs seems to reign only recently added by the Ebon Jaguar who just surpasses the Hellbringer due allowing even more boating and better shape.

So far we got 4 and Half mechs packs released (Phoenix , Resistance, Clan wave I-II and part of III) yet ONLY TWO CHASSIS suffered a nerf... while almost all others can be C-bill bought while they are as good or even better (Quirks Release) than the original release.. so yes i think you are clearly Right and only those who pay get access to the early power while all others must contempt with the leftovers...

[Hades Trooper]

Damien Tokala, on 01 July 2015 - 09:46 AM, said:

Ya know hades... I bet pgi could give you every mech ever made, and you would still complain about it.

For the 3rd time... Go play with your toys, silly... Smoke... Jaguar....kitten

OMG how dumb are you? I have all the mechs i want, can u comprehend that?

i've bought a founder pack, wave 1, 2, etc.

I'm talking about the people i've spoken too that have at one time played the game and now don't and there reasons behind why not now.

so just to make it perfectly clear the dummies out there i'm not having a flarkin whinge abour me not having enough.

I'm talking about what it causing a lack of player retention and the one isse that keeps coming up in all these chats is the paywall and this perception of playing for an early access that they call pay 4 power.

Now what can be done to stop this? Have you any suggestions? or are u gonna be like the masses who pay and say everything is fine and then wake up one day and say why can't i get any games anymore? why doesn't anyone play mwo?

So instead of being a moron and keeping my head in the sand i'm asking what can we do about this, as come steam release, this attitude that it's ok to have an early access packs which give power or foreseen early power to others than it's gonna fail

If this game fails on it's steam release i can't see it not being wound up within 9 months or it being called a failed steam release.

which i would be very upset considering how much time and energy i've put into the game

[Hades Trooper]

Lord Perversor, on 01 July 2015 - 10:09 AM, said:

Thx for resort to the petty insults and rethoric to put yourself on the moral highground.


Yet the Phoenix mech are Pay 4 power? they where just a top notch above anything previous released?
Nope
Yet the clan Wave I and II are Pay 4 Power?
The Stormcrow? none pretty much ignored as competitive until the Laser vomit era began.
The Timber wolf? broken since TT standards due it's perfect design
The Dire Whale? only because it provides massive boating on any kind

Clan Wave II are op too? nein only the Hellbringer ECM capability gives it life

Resistance pack are OP i see Grasshoppers, Zeus,Phanter and Enforcers dominating the Battlefield now!!! oh wait they are not the Same 3x Broken clan mechs seems to reign only recently added by the Ebon Jaguar who just surpasses the Hellbringer due allowing even more boating and better shape.

So far we got 4 and Half mechs packs released (Phoenix , Resistance, Clan wave I-II and part of III) yet ONLY TWO CHASSIS suffered a nerf... while almost all others can be C-bill bought while they are as good or even better (Quirks Release) than the original release.. so yes i think you are clearly Right and only those who pay get access to the early power while all others must contempt with the leftovers...

an again you failed to see the topic at hand,

AT NO TIME HAVE I SAID LETS COMPARE MECHS, what don't you understand about that? The fact you keep saying but just lets compare the mechs you fail to comprehend the topic at hand.

when u can post on topic than lets compare mechs, then i'll respond.

[Damien Tokala]

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