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[Uncle Totty]

Saxie, on 30 August 2015 - 06:35 AM, said:

When in Rome....

...you a roam 'n'?

[Void Angel]

Nathan K, on 30 August 2015 - 05:08 AM, said:

And again, here in the community of MWO, "solo" just means "not part of a pre-made". That is what it means in this community, that is what it always meant in this community.

All you are doing is looking like an outsider looking in.

Armando, on 30 August 2015 - 04:51 AM, said:

Lets take a look at what the terminology of 'solo' means shall we...

so·lo
ˈsōlō/Submit
noun
1. a thing done by one person unaccompanied, in particular.

adjective & adverb
1. for or done by one person alone; unaccompanied.
"a solo album"

synonyms: unaccompanied, single-handed, companionless, unescorted, unattended, unchaperoned, independent, solitary; More

verb
1. perform something unaccompanied, in particular.

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In MWO there is no solo anything....we are never 'unaccompanied', we are never 'single-handed', we are never 'companionless', we are never 'unescorted', we are never 'solitary'. That said, there are many players in MWO who 'think' they are solo, 'act' like they are solo, identify themselves (wrongly) as solo players.

We always have 11 teammates in every game mode...

...this is true in the Public PUG queue.
...this is true in the Public Group queue.
...this is true in Community Warfare.

There is no 'solo' in the game....if you think otherwise you are clueless as to what 'solo' means.

Armando...

First, as I tried to point out to you, it's not appropriate to insist on a different definition than is used by the community - so, even though you were right in your conclusion, you were working against yourself in actually convincing people. At best, insisting on "special" definitions that no one else uses distracts them from your point, and weakens your argument.

Then there's the special definition you're trying to use instead of the common lexicon - and you're still wrong! Players who drop without a group are solo players, because they are dropping solo. You know, "unaccompanied; done by one person alone." That is what a "solo player" is in the MWO community. Period - there is no alternate definition. We are all aware that this is a team game, and it's perfectly fine to point out that people who do not behave as though they are a team are hurting the play of both themselves and others. But insisting that they're "solo players" because they're uncooperative misuses the accepted terminology and weakens your argument.

When arguing for anything, you have three general channels which you use to convince your audience: pathos, logos, and ethos - in English: reason, emotion, and authority. Emotion (pathos) is of course how you approach the feelings of others; are you sympathetic, angry, etc? Those who rant on about "promises" and "lies" whenever they talk about certain game mechanics are using pathos in their arguments. Reason (logos) is, of course, your logic and use of facts; you've damaged yourself here by using the wrong definition, and by misapplying the definition you want to use instead. And then there is authority (ethos.) Ethos is often the most neglected channel in online discourse - it's more than just what qualifications or knowledge you have or claim) on the subject. Ethos is who you are; how you present yourself to your audience. It's the tone of your posts and whether or not you will admit errors, or acknowledge that others have a point. And you've damaged yourself here, too, by responding to legitimate and constructive criticism with a bad argument and condescending snark.

If you want to waste your time, by all means ignore my advice. But by insisting on being wrong, you will alienate many people you might otherwise convince, and limit your influence only to those who do not know better.

Edited by Void Angel, 30 August 2015 - 07:54 AM.

[Armando]

Nathan K, on 30 August 2015 - 05:08 AM, said:

And again, here in the community of MWO, "solo" just means "not part of a pre-made". That is what it means in this community, that is what it always meant in this community.

All you are doing is looking like an outsider looking in.

IraqiWalker, on 30 August 2015 - 05:42 AM, said:

Armando, that doesn't matter. What matters is what the community means by this word.

Take a look at the word Awesome. See what it actually means, and then look at how people use it. The use doesn't match the original meaning all the time.

The community has a different definition for the word.

Actually, using a real life example, In Iraq we have a name specifically for yellow jacket hornets. Syria, literally next door to us, that same word does not relate to yellowjackets at all. Instead it a name for genitalia. Imagine the situation when I blurted it out in public, before I knew that it means something different there.

Both countries use the same language, same alphabet, and the same grammar. The world is spelled exactly the same, and pronounced exactly the same. Yet it has two completely different, and unrelated meanings.

Bottom line:

If you are not communicating with your teammates, not moving as team, not presenting when their team presents, not focus firing with their team, you are setting yourself....and more importantly....11 other people up for failure.

Just so we are on the same page...

...It is your opinion that players who don't communicate with their teammates, don't move as part of a team, who hide from the enemy during the duration of the match, and fire at different targets then their teammates...is playing the game as it was designed to be played. That it is your belief that this play style should be encouraged and that nothing should be done by PGI or the MWO community to encourage greater teamwork within the community?

...It is also your opinion that every units who drop with 12 players using voice communications, who move as a team, who present as a team, focus fire as a team...is playing the game 'wrong'...and should be discouraged from this play style?

Edited by Armando, 30 August 2015 - 08:14 AM.

[Uncle Totty]

Armando, on 30 August 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:

Bottom line:

If you are not communicating with your teammates, not moving as team, not presenting when their team presents, not focus firing with their team, you are setting yourself....and more importantly....11 other people up for failure.

Just so we are on the same page...

...It is your opinion that there is nothing wrong with playing like this, and it is your belief that nothing should be done to encourage greater teamwork within the community?

Not only are you wrong here, you are wrong AND dumb.

[ApolloKaras]

Nathan K, on 30 August 2015 - 07:06 AM, said:

...you a roam 'n'?

When in Rome do as the Romans do?

Nathan K, on 30 August 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

Not only are you wrong here, you are wrong AND dumb.

Quality post here, almost as good as the meta LRM 5 Timber.

Edited by Saxie, 30 August 2015 - 08:06 AM.

[Armando]

Nathan K, on 30 August 2015 - 08:01 AM, said:

Not only are you wrong here, you are wrong AND dumb.

It is your opinion then....that players who don't communicate with their teammates, don't move as part of a team, who hide from the enemy during the duration of the match, and fire at different targets then their teammates...are playing the game as it was designed to be played???

Edited by Armando, 30 August 2015 - 08:23 AM.

[Uncle Totty]

Armando, on 30 August 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

It is your opinion then....that players who don't communicate with their teammates, don't move as part of a team, who hide from the enemy during the duration of the match, and fire at different targets then their teammates...are playing the game as it was designed to be played???

Again, you are wrong and dumb. (...for thinking that I think that.)

[Armando]

Nathan K, on 30 August 2015 - 08:44 AM, said:

Again, you are wrong and dumb. (...for thinking that I think that.)

Since you are smart, and I am so dumb then tell us....what DO you think, how do you play the game 'right'?

Edited by Armando, 30 August 2015 - 08:51 AM.

[Uncle Totty]

Saxie, on 30 August 2015 - 08:05 AM, said:

When in Rome do as the Romans do?




Quality post here, almost as good as the meta LRM 5 Timber.

1. That was a joke. Then again, humor may be alien to you.

2. Sort of past that. (Also, I fitted it with a pair of SRM6s now.)

Edited by Nathan K, 30 August 2015 - 09:02 AM.

[Uncle Totty]

Armando, on 30 August 2015 - 08:47 AM, said:

Since you are smart, and I am so dumb then tell us....what DO you think, how do you play the game 'right'?

Easy.

Armando, on 30 August 2015 - 08:18 AM, said:

It is your opinion then....that players who don't communicate with their teammates, don't move as part of a team, who hide from the enemy during the duration of the match, and fire at different targets then their teammates...are playing the game as it was designed to be played???

By doing NOT all that. (As my post pointed out.)

Edited by Nathan K, 30 August 2015 - 09:06 AM.

[Ozric]

Solo CW player here. It's fine.

[Armando]

edited because xX PUG Xx post below this one is right...the post that WAS here had nothing to do with the original reason for creating the tread... and responding to people who are unwilling or unable to understand the points being made is an exercise in futility.

I now firmly believe that posting on the MWO forums in general, and this thread specifically is pointless because because the vast majority of people who use the MWO forums are people not worth communicating with (to quote my A-Hole of a step-father....if brains were gun powder, they couldn't blow their noses).

They use the forums to complain about how they are 'top damage' but can't win a CW match....even though they are in crap mechs, don't use voice communications, and have done absolutely NOTHING to better themselves.

I am one of the lucky ones who has found a home with a great unit, and I have a great time playing the game. If you are not....you have no one to blame but yourself. This game, like life, is what you make of it.
_____________________________________

I want to give shout out to all the units that make this game worth playing before I go...talkin bout you [EmP], [Kcom], [228], [BMMU], you guys are the stone that sharpens my blade.

Finally I would like to give another shout out to all the units that try hard day after day to make this game a more enjoyable experience for any and all that are willing and able to listen....talkin bout you [- T], [CWI], [CI], just to name a few. For those not listed here but should be much <3 and o7!!!

Edited by Armando, 30 August 2015 - 01:26 PM.

[xX PUG Xx]

IMO this thread has ran it's course and is now degenerating into name calling and semantics, although some antics would probably be preferable about now

In before K-Town.......

(P.S. why do threads like this live forever but ones that try to be constructive and improve the game get lost and drop into the oblivion of page 3 and below?)

[ApolloKaras]

xX PUG Xx, on 30 August 2015 - 12:35 PM, said:

IMO this thread has ran it's course and is now degenerating into name calling and semantics, although some antics would probably be preferable about now

In before K-Town.......

(P.S. why do threads like this live forever but ones that try to be constructive and improve the game get lost and drop into the oblivion of page 3 and below?)

alll aboard!

[Khereg]

26 pages and counting on Teamwork. Well done, Armando. I'll buy you a virtual beer when I get back from Guam.

[Uncle Totty]

Armando, on 30 August 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

edited because xX PUG Xx post below this one is right...the post that WAS here had nothing to do with the original reason for creating the tread... and responding to people who are unwilling or unable to understand the points being made is an exercise in futility.

I now firmly believe that posting on the MWO forums in general, and this thread specifically is pointless because because the vast majority of people who use the MWO forums are people not worth communicating with (to quote my A-Hole of a step-father....if brains were gun powder, they couldn't blow their noses).

They use the forums to complain about how they are 'top damage' but can't win a CW match....even though they are in crap mechs, don't use voice communications, and have done absolutely NOTHING to better themselves.

I am one of the lucky ones who has found a home with a great unit, and I have a great time playing the game. If you are not....you have no one to blame but yourself. This game, like life, is what you make of it.
_____________________________________

I want to give shout out to all the units that make this game worth playing before I go...talkin bout you [EmP], [Kcom], [228], [BMMU], you guys are the stone that sharpens my blade.

Finally I would like to give another shout out to all the units that try hard day after day to make this game a more enjoyable experience for any and all that are willing and able to listen....talkin bout you [- T], [CWI], [CI], just to name a few. For those not listed here but should be much <3 and o7!!!

Awwww... A little Easter egg rant about a thread I made when I was drunk many months back that you found today. How cute.

[Baelfire]

Armando, on 30 August 2015 - 11:03 AM, said:

edited because xX PUG Xx post below this one is right...the post that WAS here had nothing to do with the original reason for creating the tread... and responding to people who are unwilling or unable to understand the points being made is an exercise in futility.

Well, i guess everyone who has read page one understands very well what the reasons for this thread are. You asked PGI to force down your vision of the game down the throats of all people who do not share your opinion. Because you knows best what the game needs and other people preferences should be ignored for the greater good.

At that time your definition of a "solo player" was pretty much the same as everyone else. After several posts you started to paddle back and to redefine the term "solo player" in a bizzare attempt to save your face. Your problem is not that people misunderstood you, your problem is, that they do not share your "my way or highway" attitude.

Edited by Baelfire, 30 August 2015 - 06:02 PM.

[Ihasa]

Nathan K, on 30 August 2015 - 04:04 PM, said:

Awwww... A little Easter egg rant about a thread I made when I was drunk many months back that you found today. How cute.

Ha, it's not just all about you. Such complaints are way to common and often in MWO forums. Everyone thinks they are a special snowflake when really they're nothing more than sleet.

This is what makes one not a team player, they think whatever is. is all about them.

What's missing here, this game, by my experience only and in particular, is a whole lot of missing the point of being a part of and enjoying being part in, something bigger than oneself.

[IraqiWalker]

Armando, on 30 August 2015 - 07:58 AM, said:

Bottom line:

If you are not communicating with your teammates, not moving as team, not presenting when their team presents, not focus firing with their team, you are setting yourself....and more importantly....11 other people up for failure.

Just so we are on the same page...

...It is your opinion that players who don't communicate with their teammates, don't move as part of a team, who hide from the enemy during the duration of the match, and fire at different targets then their teammates...is playing the game as it was designed to be played. That it is your belief that this play style should be encouraged and that nothing should be done by PGI or the MWO community to encourage greater teamwork within the community?

...It is also your opinion that every units who drop with 12 players using voice communications, who move as a team, who present as a team, focus fire as a team...is playing the game 'wrong'...and should be discouraged from this play style?

Armando, did you read my post before you made that response?

No one is saying that anti-social soloist behavior should be encouraged. We're saying you're using the words wrong. The word "Solo" doesn't mean what you think it means. That has been the point of at least 16 pages of this thread.

[Armando]

IraqiWalker, on 30 August 2015 - 07:54 PM, said:

Armando, did you read my post before you made that response?

No one is saying that anti-social soloist behavior should be encouraged. We're saying you're using the words wrong. The word "Solo" doesn't mean what you think it means. That has been the point of at least 16 pages of this thread.

And that is the problem....people who use the forums are either unwilling or unable to grasp the meaning of the thread and would rather play semantics games then make MWO a better experience for the player base.

The word solo means EXACTLY what is means....you are alone, and the fact that people use the word 'solo' to mean anything other than being alone (which can NEVER happen in this game because we ALWAYS have a team of players with / against us in drops) is indeed encouraging anti-social "soloist' behavior mindset.

Edited by Armando, 31 August 2015 - 12:08 AM.