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[Mystere]

Yeonne Greene, on 30 August 2015 - 03:12 AM, said:

So what I'm getting from a lot of this is something that has been stated many, many times over:

We need separate queues for ranked and unranked games. The people who are in it to win it can get their fix in the ranked games that actually reward such behavior while those who just want to derp around in joke 'Mechs can play in the unranked games and not get penalized for it with a hit to ranking or K/D or whatever.

Solaris just can't come soon enough.

[MechaBattler]

Mechwarrior Buddah, on 30 August 2015 - 10:59 AM, said:

Im bored alot tho

That explains a lot. lol. It started to feel like you were starting to say whatever was off the top of your head.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

MechaBattler, on 30 August 2015 - 11:02 AM, said:

That explains a lot. lol. It started to feel like you were starting to say whatever was off the top of your head.

I do that alot too lol

Usually post between drops

[TLBFestus]

Yellonet, on 30 August 2015 - 01:24 AM, said:

Civil yes, positive in the form of being constructive.

If there is something that you don't like, it's not enough to say that it sucks, one should always give a reason as to why one thinks something sucks (preferably worded differently) and it's also very important to give an alternative solution.

Real criticism is never negative if given in a civil manner. Just saying how bad something is without a reason or without a solution is sure to antagonize players and developers.

And....you are saying that devotees to the game never antagonize critics? Angels versus Devils? There has been no lack of civility from White Knights in the past, so there's plenty of blame to go around for everyone.

As far as only being critical if you also offer up a solution, while that sound nice, we both know that that is not always possible. One can be critical pointing out things that don't work and still not have a solution in their back pocket.

[Mechsniper]

Attitude reflects leadership. These forums actually started with a lot of positive. Broken promises and repeated failures and less than full disclosure to say it nicely, are what turned the attitude where it was. It has recovered slightly, but there is still lots of burned feelings here. Some scars never fully heal. Especially if no treatment of the wound was done.

[KraftySOT]

Personally ive complained about the same few topics for several years now.

Theres nothing to do but shoot gundams.

The translation from the TT is terrible.

Stuff is always broken (weapons, HUD, HTAL, sensors, role warfare, a whole skill on the skill tree, no warrior in the mechwarrior, eye point cockpits in the chest and not in the actual head in some mechs, bad geometry etc)

[Yellonet]

TLBFestus, on 30 August 2015 - 11:22 AM, said:

And....you are saying that devotees to the game never antagonize critics? Angels versus Devils? There has been no lack of civility from White Knights in the past, so there's plenty of blame to go around for everyone.

As far as only being critical if you also offer up a solution, while that sound nice, we both know that that is not always possible. One can be critical pointing out things that don't work and still not have a solution in their back pocket.

Of course if you say you don't like something you don't have to give a complete technical description of what you want instead, but a general idea of an alternative isn't too much to ask.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Yellonet, on 30 August 2015 - 01:03 AM, said:

Maybe it's time to let that baggage go, it's not doing anyone any good.
A bad attitude will not get you anything good. A positive and encouraging attitude however, might.

You seem to miss the point.

There was a time when that's all this forum was. Good, positive, targeted and in depth civil discussion over things.

Then we got kicked and dragged through the mud, for a period of YEARS.

So, a good number of us said "**** it".

That doesn't mean we won't be civil, I like to think I'm generally civil. BUT, that also doesn't mean we're just going to sit quietly when someone starts kicking at us again, be it another player or a dev. Because we SAT quietly and played nice for a little while, and we basically got told that we don't matter. So we took up arms, and got mad, and things DID change.

You wern't here when PGI tried to announce their plans to make a spaceship game called "Transverse" in which a good number of us jumped the devs calling BS because MWO was in a huge mess of a state when they made this announcement. That game literally failed on the vine because we said "No, fix this game first, THEN try to make something else." in quite a violent, pissed manner.

And guess what, things changed, Transverse got canned, and MWO's in the best state it's been in. So the "Play nice" method, quit working some time ago OP... we've literally learned over the course of 4 years, that we HAVE to be the way we are now to get results.

We ARE starting to see a shift back to more civil discussion however. And that's a good thing, the devs are more responsive [even if only on twitter and other social media], and frankly, the game is in one of the best places it's been since mid-closed beta. So we are seeing a shift back to more civil discussion, but all it takes is a small spark to turn topics into a torrent of hate and vitrol because of the atmosphere we've been in for so long.

So feel free to be civil and all OP, in fact I encourage it... but don't expect the old guard to always stay that way, because this is all shiny and new to you... and for us, we see the rust under the new coat of paint.

Yellonet, on 30 August 2015 - 01:41 AM, said:

An honest question; why are you here? It seems you have no faith in PGI at all, so if everything just keeps getting worse you may just be tormenting yourself by sticking around.

Ok, so now I'm going to snap a little at you, fair warning.

DID YOU NOT READ MY ******* HUGE ASS POST EARLIER?! WHERE I LITERALLY EXPLAIN THAT THIS IS THE ONLY MECHWARRIOR/BATTLETECH BASED GAME WITH A PLAYERBASE CURRENTLY, WHICH MEANS THAT WE HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO GO.

Literally, there is no where else for those of us who have been involved with this universe for as long as many of us have been. Many of us "old guard" have been involved with Mechwarrior since Mechwarrior 2 at least, and some have been involved with all things battletech since literally 1984/85. THAT IS 30 YEARS. That is the legacy this game carry's with it. And I don't think you understand that OP. The universe MWO is based on, is 30 years old, as such it has a pedigree to match up to.

[KraftySOT]

And the forum, even with Tina (I think youre rad, this is just an overall criticism) is on a decline.

It hit a boiling point right before the huge community outreach around September/August last year and then IGP folded and things 'changed'. But since it didnt remain consistent and many claims and such never came to fruition. There was, like previous epochs of this games history, no catalysing moment when PGI said "ok well the community outreach is over" or that it worked, or that they felt it didnt work, it just moved to twitter. There was never a "sorry we totally realize its changed, when we were posting every day and now that we arent, were still with you" moment.

So the forum has been declining right back towards the same situation we were in when you had Vassago.

Now I feel like he must have felt.

Before you know it, youll start seeing lots of "I was banned" posts on Reddit, there will be a second Reddit MWO page, then there will be a massive invasion, alot of complaining, someone well tell someone theyre on an island and we'll be right back where we started from.

This is like a yearly occurrence now.

Edited by KraftySOT, 30 August 2015 - 11:51 AM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Mechsniper, on 30 August 2015 - 11:34 AM, said:

Attitude reflects leadership. These forums actually started with a lot of positive. Broken promises and repeated failures and less than full disclosure

and outright dismissive devs

Flash Frame, on 30 August 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

Then we got kicked and dragged through the mud, for a period of YEARS.

You say that like there was no fault O.o

A solid PR company that tells ppl to get the **** off Twitter and stop acting like idiots would have gone SOOOOOO far

[Damien Tokala]

NO, YOU HAVE ATTITUDE PROBLEMS!

YOU INSULT MY HONOR, I DEMAND TRIAL BY WEASLE FLAPPING!

[C E Dwyer]

I think a great deal of the negativity is down to P.G.I

I know a lot of companies claim they will provide a tiger and you end up with a mewling kitten, its the sad way advertising goes these days, but the frustration builds and builds, and then you don't even get the kitten 10 months late, it's more a three toed sloth.

This how its been since day one, and I don't think it will ever improve, even though some of us pump a lot of money into the game.

The sad fact is that these boards are not the most caustic on the net, and steam gamers won't be surprised, go look at Swtor or ESO boards or lol star citizen

[KraftySOT]

Everyone polishes the **** and protects the whale.

Welcome to corporate life.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Cathy, on 30 August 2015 - 12:04 PM, said:

the sad way advertising goes these days

0:25

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

another example of why you dont forget the past

...because it becomes relevant later on

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 30 August 2015 - 12:32 PM.

[Vlad Ward]

I was in that video. It was produced by a good friend of mine who was hired to do PGI's trailers for a while after producing several high quality fan videos.

We took two teams of Mechs and pointed them in the same direction because we thought it looked really cool and we liked the idea.

Did you really interpret that as some sort of promise of 24v24?

[KraftySOT]

No of course not, its just a point being made about advertising in general.

Im sorry. I stand with Bill Hicks. Everyone in advertising is pure evil and sucks the joy and honesty right out of life.

Whether its the empty promises of a company, a politician, a lawyer, or the polishing of the proverbial ****, or the selling of a widget that costs 2 cents to make, for 8 cents with a flashy bright package.

Its just how people feel. Not all of them. Maybe not even the majority of them. But this philosophy has been around since before Rome.

Edited by KraftySOT, 30 August 2015 - 12:37 PM.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Vlad Ward, on 30 August 2015 - 12:33 PM, said:

Did you really interpret that as some sort of promise of 24v24?

we show 24 v 24

but its not promising it

and its not false advertising, its fan made

and advertising is always a lie

did I get all the excuses right?

Edited by Mechwarrior Buddah, 30 August 2015 - 12:36 PM.

[sycocys]

stjobe, on 30 August 2015 - 08:04 AM, said:

Actually, I think it started a bit before that, when they started dismissing (negative, but mostly constructive and mostly civil) feedback as being due to "beta burnout" - anything that wasn't "omg this game is so good!" got slapped with that label, and then they decided to go to open beta even though most of the forum told them the game wasn't ready for it.

After that they just let the forums go, and haven't really engaged their player base unless there was some spin to put on something or to stop a major crapstorm.

And as to "let it go"; I'm still here, I'm still playing (albeit less than I used to), and just a few days ago I made a thread praising PGI on their new tutorial. I'm not hung up on the past, but OP with his whole month of experience needs to know that there is a history, and part of that history is that PGI have been less than stellar in how they've managed this community.

In the end, they have as much a part in how this community is as any member of it.

You could be right, I took some time away from the forums when they continually would flat out lie to us about the Raven's hit boxes, through armor/spash damage among the dozens of other errors and problems we were actually testing and trying to source out the problems for because their in house testing was amazingly terrible at the beta stage.

End of the day it is what it is, they are unfortunately the only studio that MS granted the license for the IP to so its the only place to come play anything resembling mechwarrior in a newer form. I'll continue to be critical of most of the things they do because up until this date they still haven't provided me with half of the game they pitched before it was released and that I started funding during closed beta.

[KraftySOT]

I dont think PGI ever lies. I think PGI is simply wrong in those instances, and then because theyre a business, never admit it or backpedal even if they figure out they made a mistake.

Thats what companies do.

When you really really screw up, like the 'Youre on an island' comment, or BP's oil rig exploding...then you have to apologize, but for every small item, you protect the whale.