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#1121 Ih8tevictors

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Posted 12 October 2016 - 06:16 PM

View PostMole, on 12 October 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

Says I'm a Victor. Nope, not doing it.


the Victor is one of the few, maybe the only, assault class mech that runs OK stock in MWO.
but as has been stated before, maybe not for you.

if you ever get the feeling that you need a little bit more of a challenge, we will be here to cheer you along in the way of teh Victor. BTW one day we of the WMC will be able to field multi wave Victors in CW/FW. i can see the clanners shaking in their neurohelmets...

Edited by Ih8tevictors, 12 October 2016 - 06:17 PM.


#1122 Sully McLiwenn

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Posted 12 October 2016 - 10:09 PM

Hm, since i am missing assaults, maybe i should pick the victor as a personal ultraaftereverythingupupandawaychallenge������(after completing everything else official)


Edited by Sully McLiwenn, 12 October 2016 - 10:09 PM.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 12:01 AM

View PostSully McLiwenn, on 12 October 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

Hm, since i am missing assaults, maybe i should pick the victor as a personal ultraaftereverythingupupandawaychallenge������(after completing everything else official)


You are a masochist for sure, voluntarily continuing the pauper game Posted Image

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:11 AM

View PostSully McLiwenn, on 12 October 2016 - 10:09 PM, said:

Hm, since i am missing assaults, maybe i should pick the victor as a personal ultraaftereverythingupupandawaychallenge������(after completing everything else official)

View PostEd Steele, on 13 October 2016 - 12:01 AM, said:


You are a masochist for sure, voluntarily continuing the pauper game Posted Image


You know, after the stock challenge, I'll have a hole in my medium class. PNT, VTR, JR7-IIC, DRG. I'm gonna think "out loud" for a moment or two.

Each stage of this challenge has been designed with some thought behind it, to change it up a bit at each new state, and to keep the pokémech reflex in check. The stock challenge was really smart, btw. So was linking the ClanTech to the first quizmech's weight class.

After the first 2 rounds of quizmech, folks could have multiple mechs in the same weight class, or 2 different ones. Someone could easily be all lights after 3 stages, getting COM, RAN, annnnnnnnnd let's say ACH. With the unjqueness of the challenge, I could totally see them leaning JR7 in the stock stage, and being a specialist scout, or finally banking some tonnage for a dropdeck. Same goes for folks who started with assaults. ;)

The thing is, we could answer and choose in good faith at every stage, and still end up a bit too "imbalanced" <insert joke here about stomp robot hobbyists> in our roster to field our dropdeck for CW, which is where we were aiming in the first place.

I don't want to promote pokémech, nor do I want yet another final challenge stage because I'm super enthusiastic (okay, the reflex is there, but I'm not trying to pander to it).

I do want to propose that we might want to consider "5th Horseman of the Apocalypse," idea, which folks could use to fill in their dropdeck with something other than a trial, or to fill some other need, perhaps a scout mech, or simply gaining a representative for a weight class we haven't gotten yet.

To be crystal clear: I don't want to promote moar collecshuns, or to do another stage without the thought or creativity that's characterized everything thus far. We do have potential for a practical hole though.

For instance, Bishop could only field a deck if if the dropdeck tonnage is at 250, to fit (edits) 2 of his TDRs assuming he pairs them with 2 RFL (assuming he has 2 from mastering his stock mech, and doesn't bring his stock mech). This doesn't include his Original mech, the Victor at all. He can't scout, except with a trial mech. A light jock may be stuck at the verrrrrrrry low end of deck tonnage (160), (edits) if there's a medium in the mix somewhere. Otherwise, it's a trials to fill. We're not necessarily selecting the stock much with CW in mind, we're selecting it because "Cool."

Okay, that's enough of the ambling thinky-ness. I think there's a practical consideration for "rounding it out," with regard to the roster. I also think that this keeps the dampers on collection creep because it's not mechs for mech's sake, but it's got a practical target.

I can't say enough that 1) there's no rush or pressure here, 2) that it should only be carefully (edit: and creatively) considered and implemented, and 3) it's not about power creep or collection-itis, and 4) not intended to give the challenge founders and coordinators an ulcer or migraine, or force their hand. 5) I just think about these things sometimes, and it seemed more productive to share the thought process. 6) Please give this line of thought a shake-down.

That's more than a few moments of thought, but I figure it's good for our little community of challengers to consider, even if we choose not to do something for it.

Edited by Amaranth Panther, 13 October 2016 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:28 AM

Interesting suggestions Amaranth. I will think about ways I can add a "gap filling" challenge. Honestly, I did not expect many players to go beyond the first challenge when I thought this up, so yes, keeping the additional challenges interesting and "challenging" does take some thought (although maybe less than you would think).

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:33 AM

Just to make it clear: i dont want to pokemech with Sully. The "idea" with the Victor for the account was marked with a few smileys, which where eaten alive by my smartphone and transfered into ????? Posted Image

If i would take the Atlas-D as stockvariant (after the 100gamechallenge) i could make a dropdeck with
Atlas-Thunderbolt-Hunchie-panther...hehe. (i dont want to do it, because i dont want to screw up my team^^)

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 07:49 AM

View PostSully McLiwenn, on 13 October 2016 - 07:33 AM, said:

Just to make it clear: i dont want to pokemech with Sully. The &quot;idea&quot; with the Victor for the account was marked with a few smileys, which where eaten alive by my smartphone and transfered into ????? Posted Image

If i would take the Atlas-D as stockvariant (after the 100gamechallenge) i could make a dropdeck with
Atlas-Thunderbolt-Hunchie-panther...hehe. (i dont want to do it, because i dont want to screw up my team^^)


I read you clearly there, no worries :)

I brought up pokémech because the addiction is real. If we don't keep an eye out for it in our motivations, it can hijack things for sure, making it about something other than the fun of working within the spirit of the challenges.

My thought was to mature the challenge a bit in a useful way, consistent with the CW dimension of the challenge. I've been ruminating on it for a while, and your joke gave me a thought prompt that I picked up and ran with. <o

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 11:48 AM

I already have some idea of how I will create the "reinforcement" challenge(s) and rest assured it will entail choosing from a list of chassis which I believe will be challenging to master without spending real money (like the rest of the challenge).

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 02:40 PM

Hey, stock challenge questions (not that it won't be a while before they're applicable for me, but still):

Can I repaint my stock mech at all? Seriously, I'm conscientious like that. It's not technically store-bought stock at that point, but it's not changing the performance in any way.

After 100 matches, while we keep that stock mech stock, may we purchase a second copy that mech to optimize, or are we to have only stock stats forever after on that variant's stat line?

I get that we want pure stock stats up to 100 games. And I get that we want to maintain a stock version for "future events." Is the intent to have a pure stock stat line beyond 100 matches (forevah!), or may we customize a 2nd, duplicate instance of that mech going forward?

Curiosity may have killed the cat, I'm hoping it doesn't get this Panther shot ...

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 04:18 PM

View PostAmaranth Panther, on 13 October 2016 - 02:40 PM, said:

Hey, stock challenge questions (not that it won't be a while before they're applicable for me, but still):

Can I repaint my stock mech at all? Seriously, I'm conscientious like that. It's not technically store-bought stock at that point, but it's not changing the performance in any way.

After 100 matches, while we keep that stock mech stock, may we purchase a second copy that mech to optimize, or are we to have only stock stats forever after on that variant's stat line?

I get that we want pure stock stats up to 100 games. And I get that we want to maintain a stock version for &quot;future events.&quot; Is the intent to have a pure stock stat line beyond 100 matches (forevah!), or may we customize a 2nd, duplicate instance of that mech going forward?

Curiosity may have killed the cat, I'm hoping it doesn't get this Panther shot ...


Repainting, changing camo and using cockpit items is acceptable for your stock Mech, as long as you use items you have bought with in-game currency or you have received as in-game event rewards (This is in the stock Mech section of my OP, by the way). ;-)

As far as a second copy, I would say no, because then you will end up mastering it and will have an advantage over other stock-mech Challengers.

Edited by Ed Steele, 13 October 2016 - 04:38 PM.


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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:45 PM

View PostEd Steele, on 04 July 2016 - 03:40 PM, said:


No just 100 games in the unaltered-basic variant. Again, it can not be a mech that you have already used, because you want your stats to show no more and no less than 100 games. You do not need to master this mech. Also, I kept the list small for simplicity.

View PostEd Steele, on 04 July 2016 - 05:54 PM, said:


If you want to buy and level two more variants just to get your unmodified "3025 Stock Mech" variant mastered, you can, but remember that you can not spend any real money on your WMC account Posted Image

View PostEd Steele, on 13 October 2016 - 04:18 PM, said:

Repainting, changing camo and using cockpit items is acceptable for your stock Mech, as long as you use items you have bought with in-game currency or you have received as in-game event rewards (This is in the stock Mech section of my OP, by the way). ;-)

As far as a second copy, I would say no, because then you will end up mastering it and will have an advantage over other stock-mech Challengers.


Okay, harder to do the research on mobile, much easier from home.

Summary:
* no real money spent, ever, on this account (standard)
* beuatification good, only with f2p stuff
* stock means stock: no tweaks, no additions for performance, including modules
* extra variants are okay so the mech can be leveled, duplicates of the stock mech are not
* 100 matches, then freeze the stock mech, right? --> this is a bit of a bummer, if I want to go roll around in it some more for stock fun after the 100 match snapshot. Ah well.

What if I master it (or simply elite it) in 100 matches? I mastered my Atlases in less than that with no premium time when I was pretty new. Are we not supposed to do the extra variants after all? I want to be clear before I do something enthusiastic-yet-misguided.

Thanks Ed! :)

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 05:52 PM

AP, if I am not too tired when I get home tonight, I will make a fairly significant update to the OP, which will include two (yes, two) new "reinforcements" challenges. While I am doing the update, I will try to clean up the rules a bit (clarify, resolve contradictions, etc...) and I will update the contact info for prospective Challengers.

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:13 PM

Thank you bunches, Ed. I'm obviously having fun, and I want to stay on target :)

My day job deals with folks doing the "interpret the regulations" thing. Some days it's hard to turn off, but most days it helps me be really intentional about being clear with folks.

Happy mechin' Ed. Doesn't have to be today/tonight, but it'll be cool if it turns out that way.

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 06:14 PM

all i know at this point is that one day we will field a 12 victor wave, or 2, in CW/FW
with all that firepower and mobility we can give a new meaning to the term "zorg rush"

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 09:04 PM

View PostAmaranth Panther, on 13 October 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

Thank you bunches, Ed. I'm obviously having fun, and I want to stay on target Posted Image

My day job deals with folks doing the "interpret the regulations" thing. Some days it's hard to turn off, but most days it helps me be really intentional about being clear with folks.

Happy mechin' Ed. Doesn't have to be today/tonight, but it'll be cool if it turns out that way.


Thanks. Unfortunately, it will probably not be tonight, still too much R/L stuff to do Posted Image It will be done before the end of the week though!

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 10:16 PM

View PostIh8tevictors, on 13 October 2016 - 06:14 PM, said:

all i know at this point is that one day we will field a 12 victor wave, or 2, in CW/FW
with all that firepower and mobility we can give a new meaning to the term "zorg rush"



And my VTR-9Splat will be there :D

View PostEd Steele, on 13 October 2016 - 09:04 PM, said:


Thanks. Unfortunately, it will probably not be tonight, still too much R/L stuff to do Posted Image It will be done before the end of the week though!


Take your time Ed. I'm not going to be making any Dragon purchases before then. These ClanTech Battlemechs still need work ;)

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Posted 13 October 2016 - 10:56 PM

I hope i will have 2 elited Cheetahs by the end of next week! The 3rd one incl mechbay is allready financed, thanks to the event:)

Btw: i had one of the best matches in my cheetah prime, afew days ago. 4 kills over 700 dmg,killed the last 3 enemys alone including a 8minute duell with the last enemy, a fresh direwulf. will post a screen when i get home

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Posted 14 October 2016 - 10:47 AM

View PostAmaranth Panther, on 13 October 2016 - 10:16 PM, said:

Take your time Ed. I'm not going to be making any Dragon purchases before then. These ClanTech Battlemechs still need work ;)


I will give you a preview:

Buying additional variants of your 3025 Stock Mech chassis will be allowed and you will be allowed to master the chassis (including your Stock Mech) if you really want to grind the Cbills and XP. Yes, you will have a slight advantage over Stock Mech Challengers who have not mastered their chassis, but it is an advantage that you have earned through tireless effort.

** You can modify your other two variants, but you must keep your Stock Mech unmodified (other than cammo, cockpit items and paint which has been earned in-game).

** As with the rest of the challenge, you can only use currency earned in-game (No Real Money).

Edited by Ed Steele, 14 October 2016 - 11:01 AM.


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Posted 14 October 2016 - 11:44 AM

For the challenge, I've been running Victors with Std engines, they lack ammo, because I won't go without at least one hop jet, but I smile thinking of the other guy going Crap no XL when I lose an ST

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Posted 14 October 2016 - 12:46 PM

View PostCathy, on 14 October 2016 - 11:44 AM, said:

For the challenge, I've been running Victors with Std engines, they lack ammo, because I won't go without at least one hop jet, but I smile thinking of the other guy going Crap no XL when I lose an ST


That is always a good strategy, but most experienced MWO players know that XLs don't belong in IS assaults. ;-)





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