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[pwnface]

stoogah, on 11 January 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

You are missing something. Some players don't want to join units, form units or play in coordinated groups. Some players enjoy random pugs while running lrm atlas and listening to some good music (not some people voice on TS).

If this description represents you, by the love of God, please don't play in CW.

If for some reason you want to queue as a solo, terrible, LRM Atlas driving PUG and let down your entire team match after match, don't you dare come on the MWO forums and complain about how the game mode is "unfair".

[Aelos03]

Ihasa, on 11 January 2016 - 02:20 AM, said:

Yes, there is. It's called small, limited playerbase. having 3, 5 gallon buckets for which to divide 2 gallons of water is no bueno. A fundamental and pervasive shift of thinking needs to occur at PGI in order to rectify this. My belief is that either their egos or their ignorance will prevail and prevent such. And if those don't, it will be too little, too late to enact anyway.

It is still not because it effectively removes people from playing it altogether. It should be fun for all parties involved and only damn way to achieve that is to separate and balance it out. Point is to have more people play it not less.

[Almond Brown]

pwnface, on 11 January 2016 - 09:39 AM, said:

"Lemmings" will only become better with help. There are tons of groups who are willing to help train newbies to become better pilots, this includes Night's Scorn. We invite players to our teamspeak and share builds and strategies with whoever we play with. The real issue is a lot of "lemmings" don't want to listen to anyone else and don't want to become better.

There are so many incidences of us dropping in as a 8-11 man group and solo pugs completely unwilling to listen to our strategy. We ask to group up somewhere and often there will be a solo player running off on their own suiciding all 4 of their mechs on our first wave. We ask them not to stream in when there are only 2 guys left on our wave, "NOPE" not going to listen to reason at all.

The "Help" to train new players is there, forcing "Help" on players who don't want it simply won't work.

Agreed 100% but then coming here to the Forums and "griping" about them is also not helpful at all. And the discussion is not about the 2-3 Pugs added to those 8-11 man ffs.

It seems more about the ALL pug 12 man vs the 12 man Team, or Seal Clubbing, I think they call it. An 8-11 man should be able to hold their own and carry a couple of new players, thus they learn and get better.

If you solo CW and get a bad Team, then that is no different than the PUG life "theory" everyone seems accept as the "reality". It sucks, you lose and move on. Yes Wait times can be an issue but that is just another factor that has to be dealt within the CW game play mode. It just does not have the sheer numbers PUG mode seems to and that is what will have to be dealt with before some BS rule of "everyone" that joins CW has to be >Tier3 and own a Lance of Meta capable Mechs.

Edited by Almond Brown, 11 January 2016 - 10:23 AM.

[Johnny Z]

pwnface, on 11 January 2016 - 09:32 AM, said:

Actually, I didn't insult you at all, I merely pointed out that your belief that cheats and hacks run rampant in this game is ill-conceived.

Also, you'll notice in my forum signature banner proudly displayed the name of the unit I'm a part of. No, nobody in my unit has ever been banned for cheating and I have no reason to believe ANYONE in my unit is cheating either, but yeah thanks for the insults.

Why is it so hard to believe that players can be better than you at the game? Not everyone who is good at this game is cheating, some people simply play more, play smarter, or are just more naturally gifted than you. That's okay though, it's just a game. You don't have to be the best. Blindly throwing out accusations of "hax" is pretty distasteful though.

Anyone who has watched me play can tell you that I don't cheat. I make mistakes often enough and my aim is not impeccable, yet I have terribads like you accusing me of "hax" and "aimbot" on a weekly basis. Know how that makes me feel?


feels good man.

I know for a fact synch dropping on the faction map is a massive problem ruining countless matches. Synch dropping is cheating. I'm glad to hear your unit has nothing to do with it.

Synch dropping is in fact the single biggest problem on the faction map and I don't mind saying I knew it would be even before it was added.

Also no need to get defensive as I doubt your running any cheat programs yourself and never implied that.

I should also add that synch dropping is easily remedied and I expect that to be fixed some time and it will be interesting which players cry rivers about it.

Edited by Johnny Z, 11 January 2016 - 10:39 AM.

[Lazor Sharp]

Sync drop on the faction map....LOL that is the silliest thing i have ever heard........ when all players have to do, is get on a faction ts, and play with who ever is on TS..... sync drop in CW...... lol lol lol lol lol lol lol....... total silliness.........lol

Edited by Lazor Sharp, 11 January 2016 - 10:40 AM.

[Johnny Z]

Lazor Sharp, on 11 January 2016 - 10:40 AM, said:

Sync drop on the faction map....LOL that is the silliest thing i have ever heard........ when all players have to do, is get on a faction ts, and play with who ever is on TS..... sync drop in CW...... lol lol lol lol lol lol lol....... total silliness.........lol

The farming that is happening and has happened on the galaxy map is epic. Your reply says you are unaware of this or are a liar.

I have dropped into matches with entire lances disconnected to be farmed by the unit on the clan side. I could give another 100 examples just as bad.

This entire topic has to take synch dropping into the equation and the future fixes for it. Which more than likely has to do with repair and rearm.

Edited by Johnny Z, 11 January 2016 - 10:50 AM.

[MrJeffers]

Johnny Z, on 11 January 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

I know for a fact synch dropping on the faction map is a massive problem ruining countless matches. Synch dropping is cheating. I'm glad to hear your unit has nothing to do with it.

Synch dropping is in fact the single biggest problem on the faction map and I don't mind saying I knew it would be even before it was added.

Also no need to get defensive as I doubt your running any cheat programs yourself and never implied that.

I should also add that synch dropping is easily remedied and I expect that to be fixed some time and it will be interesting which players cry rivers about it.

Sync dropping in faction play? What possible purpose could that serve, there isn't a seperate solo and group queue, which is the whole reason to sync drop in quick play - to get a group into solo queue.

You might want to explain what you mean, because a sync drop in faction play is the exact same as a group drop in faction play - the first team with 12 gets a drop slot.

[Lazor Sharp]

gee, i wander if you are even playing the same game i am, i dont see any of that kind of bs going on (not saying it don't happen sometimes, i am not seeing any of it)..............ah, you are really complaining about pug farming, lol..... different subject......

[Hotthedd]

If you think sync-dropping is a problem NOW, what do you think would happen if there were a separate solo and group queue in CW?

Unlike Quick Play, you already KNOW which side you would be fighting on. Any 12 man group on TS could just decide to all "solo drop" on the same planet, unit tags and all.

I don't think those asking for separate queues have really thought this whole thing out.

[MischiefSC]

N0MAD, on 11 January 2016 - 02:57 AM, said:

Seriously if you think that a practised, co ordinated team has little advantage, tech aside, to a pug group, then you know nothing about competition or indeed fairness or balance within a competitive game.
And btw buddy, most of the players in premades from these 228s etc etc ( not singling out 228 brothers) ive found to be well, ordinary alone or in small groups, ive played them in the past, these guys ive outplayed/outscored as others have done to me.
But honestly if you really beleive that been in an organised group playing vs a pug group in a game is not a big advantage then really i dont understand you people and cant take you seriously.
Had my say and will leave it at that, i concede, Organised tems dont have advantages over pugs and its totally fair.
There i admitted it you won the debate.

Peace in our time.

The point is WHY they have an advantage -

they are not using superior tech or game mechanics that you have to get or buy to use, they are using coordination, nothing else.

I'm all for splitting pug/group queue. The two should not be merged. I'm all for adding CW maps/modes to both pug and group queues.

The problem is that splitting CW into pug/group eliminates the basic concept of CW: a war between factions. No matchmaker, you're fighting on behalf of your faction against another faction and whoever plays best wins. Be that by personal skill or coordination. All gloves are off.

The moment you attempt to use a matchmaker, like splitting pug/premade, you eliminate that aspect of it. Now it's two queues with points to earn. May as well just add a leaderboard to pug/group queue and chuck the map, mercs, etc.

This has been gone over. Repeatedly. I get that some people don't care if CW is pointless and just want it to be another set of maps/modes for pug/group queue. Great! Add them to pug/group queues! Quit trying to destroy CW in the process! Y'all can have the curated experience and never have to play against someone who's doing anything better than you and pretend that doing exactly what you've always done is 'getting better' or whatever floats their boat!

The promise of CW however is a war simulation without all the hand-holding. Sure, it's got tons of issues. So does pug/group queue. It does not need **** on until it's just like pug/group queue though. If it's not an experience that appeals to some people let them stay in what they already have.

Edited by MischiefSC, 11 January 2016 - 11:09 AM.

[Johnny Z]

Yep. I already mentioned in this topic that the regular group queue has tons of problems that have many topics dedicated to them. All those problems and more would come with a group queue on the faction map.

[Hotthedd]

MischiefSC,

...that is what I was saying.

[MischiefSC]

pwnface, on 11 January 2016 - 09:32 AM, said:

Actually, I didn't insult you at all, I merely pointed out that your belief that cheats and hacks run rampant in this game is ill-conceived.

Also, you'll notice in my forum signature banner proudly displayed the name of the unit I'm a part of. No, nobody in my unit has ever been banned for cheating and I have no reason to believe ANYONE in my unit is cheating either, but yeah thanks for the insults.

Why is it so hard to believe that players can be better than you at the game? Not everyone who is good at this game is cheating, some people simply play more, play smarter, or are just more naturally gifted than you. That's okay though, it's just a game. You don't have to be the best. Blindly throwing out accusations of "hax" is pretty distasteful though.

Anyone who has watched me play can tell you that I don't cheat. I make mistakes often enough and my aim is not impeccable, yet I have terribads like you accusing me of "hax" and "aimbot" on a weekly basis. Know how that makes me feel?


feels good man.

Pfft. Night's Scorn was ALL ABOUT teh HAX in CW.

NS had this cheat where Dragon 1Ns would shoot crazy fast, so they'd boat them up and use teh HAX for super-speed AC5s.

They also did this hax where the lasers on Battlemasters would shoot stupid long ranges. Like crazy long, so they'd attack on Boreal and snipe the other team down without opening the gate. MAX HAX.

It was terrible. Rivers of tears. Crazy, crazy HAX.

Oh, wait. Those were quirks. Quirks are HAX that PGI puts in, so they're legit.

Quirks. HAX. Whatever. Effin' NS and their HAX/QWERKZ.

Hotthedd, on 11 January 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

MischiefSC,

...that is what I was saying.

Whoops. Quoted wrong guy. Fixed.

Edited by MischiefSC, 11 January 2016 - 11:10 AM.

[MrJeffers]

Johnny Z, on 11 January 2016 - 10:44 AM, said:

The farming that is happening and has happened on the galaxy map is epic. Your reply says you are unaware of this or are a liar.

I have dropped into matches with entire lances disconnected to be farmed by the unit on the clan side. I could give another 100 examples just as bad.

This entire topic has to take synch dropping into the equation and the future fixes for it. Which more than likely has to do with repair and rearm.

Oh, you mean people dropping in alt accounts against their main account for free rewards. I wouldn't exactly call that sync dropping. More like alt farming, or boosting.

[Mystere]

Aelos03, on 11 January 2016 - 12:48 AM, said:

That is farcry from what it should be like whole UI is one mess.Even if it was perfect you don't put 12 man drops against randoms. There is no excuse for that period.

stoogah, on 11 January 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

It works in quick play, it will work in CW...

Sigh! People are still not getting it. Community Warfare is supposed to be a simulation of war. As such, what you are asking for is something like this:

Mystere, on 07 January 2016 - 08:49 AM, said:

Local resident on radio:

"Help! Help! We're under attack! Send the army now! These foreign barbarians are massacring the population! Help us please!"

Military Command:

"Mam, I'm afraid we cannot help you at this time. You're facing a ragtag band of enemies. But, the current rules of war dictate that we can only send an equally ragtag band. Unfortunately, our military has none, and so I guess you all just have to submit to your new masters while we try to scrounge up and arm some local peasants from a nearby planet ... Yikes! We do not have any peasants!"

Doesn't that sound insane?

If you want eSports, go ask PGI to finish Solaris ... but only after CW is in reasonable shape.

Edited by Mystere, 11 January 2016 - 11:18 AM.

[JaxRiot]

Johnny Z, on 11 January 2016 - 10:28 AM, said:

I know for a fact synch dropping on the faction map is a massive problem ruining countless matches. Synch dropping is cheating. I'm glad to hear your unit has nothing to do with it.

Synch dropping is in fact the single biggest problem on the faction map and I don't mind saying I knew it would be even before it was added.

Also no need to get defensive as I doubt your running any cheat programs yourself and never implied that.

I should also add that synch dropping is easily remedied and I expect that to be fixed some time and it will be interesting which players cry rivers about it.

Whoa wait... Sync dropping in CW is cheating?

Since when?

And what would be the point of attempting a Sync drop when its more effective to drop as a Group?

CW has issues for sure, but Sync Dropping isnt one of them, and its definitely not cheating.

Dropping as a Group in any form isnt considered cheating in CW. At all. Its actually encouraged.

Possibly you have your terminology mixed up?

Edit- Are you talking about farming alts? I think they call it Boosting or something like that.

If thats the case, then, Meh.. theyre beating up on themselves basically.

Edited by JaxRiot, 11 January 2016 - 11:20 AM.

[Johnny Z]

Most replies agree that a seperate group queue isn't a good idea and even those that are for a separate group queue have to admit that most of the problems they say that would fix wouldn't actually be fixed anyway. Just take a look at the current group queue to see if that's the case or not.

The only way the regular group queue would work is if its a 12 man only queue and that was already tried and didn't work as there wasn't enough groups to make quick matches at any given time, so now small groups pay the price for the group queue and massive loss in players.... A faction group queue? Doubtfull its going to happen.

Bullies and synch dropping are the biggest problem in MechWarrior online currently for both the group queue and faction map. Read any of 100 topics to see the complaints... Luckily there is obvious additions that can be made and likely are already in the works.

Edited by Johnny Z, 11 January 2016 - 11:24 AM.

[Johnny Z]

JaxRiot, on 11 January 2016 - 11:14 AM, said:

Whoa wait... Sync dropping in CW is cheating?

Since when?

And what would be the point of attempting a Sync drop when its more effective to drop as a Group?

CW has issues for sure, but Sync Dropping isnt one of them, and its definitely not cheating.

Dropping as a Group in any form isnt considered cheating in CW. At all. Its actually encouraged.

Possibly you have your terminology mixed up?

Edit- Are you talking about farming alts? I think they call it Boosting or something like that.

If thats the case, then, Meh.. theyre beating up on themselves basically.

Synch is an old gangster term and is entirely appropriate. As in "bet on so and so in the big fight, its a synch". Basically possibly related to something that has been "rigged" "fixed" etc.

Edited by Johnny Z, 11 January 2016 - 11:34 AM.

[Sandpit]

Deathlike, on 10 January 2016 - 11:25 PM, said:

Trying to make excuses for failure is the core reason this thread exists.. instead of taking personal responsibility. It's really as simple as that.

Bam
/thread

[Hotthedd]

Johnny Z, on 11 January 2016 - 11:32 AM, said:

Synch is an old gangster term and is entirely appropriate. As in "bet on so and so in the big fight, its a synch". Basically possibly related to something that has been "rigged" "fixed" etc.

Ummm. I think you mean "cinch". Pronounced sin-ch

Synch is pronounced sink, and is short for synchronized.