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[reign]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 January 2016 - 08:54 AM, said:

Yeah you could do that, could also through some mediums on one of the arms too for some more kick. Like I said, I don't think it will be terrible. I just look at the things you could do with it and it feels like its not really an ideal setup for anything other than brawling. Maybe 8 cSPLs in the arms to supplement the brawly torso weapons. Would probably work.

yeah the problem I have with the Jade Turkey and the Kingfisher both is that there is like 4 or 5 slots open in the torsos for each of them. No room to do anything with.

[Bishop Steiner]

DONTOR, on 15 January 2016 - 08:15 AM, said:

How bout no omni mechs, and a Clan totem mech pack. Seriously we need the Kodiak...

Where you been hiding DON? Kodiak is pretty much a lock for a solo pack already, much to the delight of Imperius.

As for a "totem mech" package? Please no.... that was one of the worst jump the shark ideas, and heck half the totems aren't even visually distinctive (in fact the Sarna totem mech section is just stupid)

reign, on 15 January 2016 - 08:23 AM, said:

wat? All non omni mechs get some inflation and here are the hardpoints. Thats 2 missles and 1 B.

Actually not all do. Especially on mechs with 8-10+ to begin with.

Heck several without huge numbers get stuck. Spider 5V. Catapult K2. AS7D. STK-3F, HBK-4P, off the top of my head, no inflation.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 15 January 2016 - 09:01 AM.

[reign]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 January 2016 - 08:58 AM, said:

Actually not all do. Especially on mechs with 8-10+ to begin with.

Yeah picking that up after reviewing them on smurfy

Edited by reign, 15 January 2016 - 08:59 AM.

[Dagorlad13]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 January 2016 - 08:54 AM, said:

TRO Date (3025, 3050, 3055, 3058, etc) is just the "stardate" that TRO was published. It has little to nothing to do with when the mechs found within were actualyl first built, especially Clan Mechs, as with those it has to do when the IS first reported on them more than anything.

For actual production dates, try the official mech timeline from the publisher
http://www.masterunitlist.info/

True, but you would never see early prototypes in the field in large numbers.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

IronClaws, on 15 January 2016 - 09:04 AM, said:

True, but you would never see early prototypes in the field in large numbers.

Production date means it is no longer a prototype, afaik.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 15 January 2016 - 09:05 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

reign, on 15 January 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

yeah the problem I have with the Jade Turkey and the Kingfisher both is that there is like 4 or 5 slots open in the torsos for each of them. No room to do anything with.

Well in the case of the Kingfisher, you only have 1 or 2 hardpoints there, so you don't really need the slots. LPLs or MLs aren't really large weapons. The only time it is a limiter is on the Prime left torso, where you have a missile and an energy hardpoint. I think you run out of space if you put an LRM 20 with Artemis there for example. I'm more interested in the Left torso with 2E hardpoints where you can easily fit 2 cLPLs.

The Turkey has a 2B side torso, which unfortunately would be limited to 2 UAC5s or 1 UAC10, and then some ammo would bleed over to the other side, or the arm. Meh.

[Pariah Devalis]

IronClaws, on 15 January 2016 - 09:04 AM, said:

True, but you would never see early prototypes in the field in large numbers.

True, but sometimes they were not prototypes. Take the Shadow Cat for an example. Granted, the vaaaast majority of them were in Clan Nova Cat hands, but the mech existed since the early 3000's, and I doubt very much that absolutely none of them were used prior to the time they were first reported. After all, reported just means someone survived long enough to deliver intel on it.

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 January 2016 - 08:47 AM, said:

A UAC20? it would be okay I guess. You can do that on an Orion IIC too. I don't know, I'm not getting my hopes up for the Kodiak, it will be just okay. Probably a good brawler but that's about it.

Also has more hardpoints than realistically usable if you fill those E points. Gonna be toasty, even with ersls, etc.

[reign]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 January 2016 - 09:06 AM, said:

Also has more hardpoints than realistically usable if you fill those E points. Gonna be toasty, even with ersls, etc.

Yeah I did a similar build on an exe - ac/10 ultra + 8 er meds. Its hot

[Bishop Steiner]

Pariah Devalis, on 15 January 2016 - 08:52 AM, said:

I find it is helpful to be cross trained and proficient on all classes. You only know a class once you've stomped around it in for 1609.334 meters.



QFT.

Oh, I have. And there is currently not a single Assault in game I find particularly fun to drive. But drive them I have. Just saying I feel little impetus on this or my CGBI alter ego, to indulge in any more Assault Mechs.

[Bishop Steiner]

IronClaws, on 15 January 2016 - 09:04 AM, said:

True, but you would never see early prototypes in the field in large numbers.

Not referring to early prototypes. Shadowcat is in tro3058. Started production in 3003. Most of the 3050 Omnis were first put into production in the late 2900s, the Summoner all the way back in 2872.

These are production dates, not prototype dates. It's not like mechs spontaneously appear only on select years with TROs attached, lol.

[Gas Guzzler]

reign, on 15 January 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

Yeah I did a similar build on an exe - ac/10 ultra + 8 er meds. Its hot

Well YEAH, 8 ER MLs alone on an EXE is going to be pretty hot.

[reign]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 January 2016 - 09:11 AM, said:

Not referring to early prototypes. Shadowcat is in tro3058. Started production in 3003. Most of the 3050 Omnis were first put into production in the late 2900s, the Summoner all the way back in 2872.

These are production dates, not prototype dates. It's not like mechs spontaneously appear only on select years with TROs attached, lol.

Yeah Usually the TRO time represents when IS first sees a mech.. Usually sometimes its some time warp wonkyness ret con

[Bishop Steiner]

Pariah Devalis, on 15 January 2016 - 09:06 AM, said:

True, but sometimes they were not prototypes. Take the Shadow Cat for an example. Granted, the vaaaast majority of them were in Clan Nova Cat hands, but the mech existed since the early 3000's, and I doubt very much that absolutely none of them were used prior to the time they were first reported. After all, reported just means someone survived long enough to deliver intel on it.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it also means when the intel book was published. Publishing lead times can be over a year, especially with editing, fact checking, etc. After all, for example, every single mech in the original 3025 TRO far predate the TRO. The first actual TRO the Wolfhound appeared in was the 3050, but they have been in production since 3028 (and the later produced 3039 TRO does include them)

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 January 2016 - 09:06 AM, said:

Also has more hardpoints than realistically usable if you fill those E points. Gonna be toasty, even with ersls, etc.

Yeah I'm thinking of swapping the ER MLs on the stock build with cSPLs and the Streaks to SRM 6's with artemis and see how many DHS I end up with.

[Bishop Steiner]

reign, on 15 January 2016 - 09:12 AM, said:

Yeah Usually the TRO time represents when IS first sees a mech.. Usually sometimes its some time warp wonkyness ret con

Truth.

All TRO really means? Is that's the first time they published said designs. Often the mechs were first in House Books, or other sourcebooks, but really it just means the latest batch of robots were drawn to milk more money out of us, lol.

Heck, most of the 3058 TRO specifically states they are old Star LEague era designs (and some earlier, like the age of War) that are just being returned to mass production. Or new designs, but the Bushwacker is in TRO3058, but actually started production in 3053, etc.

Gas Guzzler, on 15 January 2016 - 09:15 AM, said:

Yeah I'm thinking of swapping the ER MLs on the stock build with cSPLs and the Streaks to SRM 6's with artemis and see how many DHS I end up with.

At Assault Mech Speeds? (Even "fast" 100 tonner), I'd go for ERSL and get a little more range, and have tons for 4 more DHS.

[Gas Guzzler]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 January 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:

Truth.

All TRO really means? Is that's the first time they published said designs. Often the mechs were first in House Books, or other sourcebooks, but really it just means the latest batch of robots were drawn to milk more money out of us, lol.

Heck, most of the 3058 TRO specifically states they are old Star LEague era designs (and some earlier, like the age of War) that are just being returned to mass production. Or new designs, but the Bushwacker is in TRO3058, but actually started production in 3053, etc.


At Assault Mech Speeds? (Even "fast" 100 tonner), I'd go for ERSL and get a little more range, and have tons for 4 more DHS.

Possible, I will have to wait and see what the crit slot situation is looking like.

[Gas Guzzler]

If you like the Kingfisher, go here please:

http://mwomercs.com/...clan-omnimechs/

[Bishop Steiner]

Gas Guzzler, on 15 January 2016 - 09:42 AM, said:

If you like the Kingfisher, go here please:

http://mwomercs.com/...clan-omnimechs/

*sigh* the masochist in me had to vote for the Crossbow......

[Dagorlad13]

Bishop Steiner, on 15 January 2016 - 09:11 AM, said:

Not referring to early prototypes. Shadowcat is in tro3058. Started production in 3003. Most of the 3050 Omnis were first put into production in the late 2900s, the Summoner all the way back in 2872.

These are production dates, not prototype dates. It's not like mechs spontaneously appear only on select years with TROs attached, lol.

True, but was the Mech only used in the Clan homeworlds at the time, or was it part of the invasion forces.