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[Widowmaker1981]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 05:10 AM, said:

Wish I knew about that poll. Also, I am saddened. Why the hell would the Black Lanner beat the Huntsman by that much? It's a bad mech. A BAD mech. It's 55 tons with, what, 16 tons of pod space? By the numbers it is terrible. We need more good options for the Medium bracket, not more filler mechs.

People are morons. Its 11.5 tons of space at full armour. People put more weapon tonnage on Firestarters.

If we have to have a timeline Omni medium my vote is for the Pouncer - purely because i like PPCs, it comes with them stock so hopefully it gets adder level PPC quirks and becomes a jumping adder for 5 extra tons. Don't think the Huntsman adds anything when compared to the HBK-IIC, personally - though hitboxes are obviously unknown factor, and its certainly a solid base.

[Pariah Devalis]

Widowmaker1981, on 16 January 2016 - 06:16 AM, said:

People are morons. Its 11.5 tons of space at full armour. People put more weapon tonnage on Firestarters.

If we have to have a timeline Omni medium my vote is for the Pouncer - purely because i like PPCs, it comes with them stock so hopefully it gets adder level PPC quirks and becomes a jumping adder for 5 extra tons. Don't think the Huntsman adds anything when compared to the HBK-IIC, personally - though hitboxes are obviously unknown factor, and its certainly a solid base.

Honestly? Huntsman has the mixed loadout thing going for it far better than the Hunchback IIC, while the IIC can boat ballistics better. Obviously hitboxes are hard to say for certain, but I'd wager the arms on the Huntsman would be a lot easier to hit than the torsos, vs the opposite with the Hunchback. Problem being the majority of the Huntsman's weapons are in the arms. You'll survive longer, but to what end? Mostly want it for the combination of "variety" and because "it's a good mech." We need more good mediums.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 16 January 2016 - 06:24 AM.

[Metus regem]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 06:14 AM, said:

Tell me how much the ECM is saving the Shadow Cat. :\

Not by a lot, maybe by a couple of seconds, but I generally use direct fire weapons, and Shadow Cats are often over heating, making them free targets.

And that's too bad, as she is a decent Mech in TT, a buddy of mine loves them dearly, like I love my Warhammers.

I think part of the issues for a lot of the mechs in this game is 2x armour, but 3x+ or more rate of fire, with not true DHS, all of that combined with pin point accuracy has given us this mess were in... If we had a circle where all of our shots would land, we'd still get our accuracy against a single section by getting close... Hell it'd be more realistic.

As for the RoF, if in World of Warships people are okay with playing Battleships that have 30 seconds between shots, I don't see the problem people would have with 10 seconds here.

[Widowmaker1981]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 06:19 AM, said:

Honestly? Huntsman has the mixed loadout thing going for it far better than the Hunchback IIC. Obviously hitboxes are hard to say for certain, but I'd wager the arms on the Huntsman would be a lot easier to hit than the torsos, vs the opposite with the Hunchback. Problem being the majority of the Huntsman's weapons are in the arms. You'll survive longer, but to what end? Mostly want it for the combination of "variety" and because "it's a good mech." We need more good mediums.

Thing is, i dont think a 50 ton mech can do mixed ballistics with anything more than the 4 lasers than the HBK can manage due to tonnage considerations - so that really only leaves mixed lasers and missiles, which ill grant it will do better than the HBK. I just dont like missiles very much, and love PPCs, hence my preference.

No denying its the 'best' omni medium overall, i was asking for it long back before wave 2 happened, but clan battlemech availability changed my opinions.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 16 January 2016 - 06:27 AM.

[Pariah Devalis]

Widowmaker1981, on 16 January 2016 - 06:25 AM, said:

Thing is, i dont think a 50 ton mech can do mixed ballistics with anything more than the 4 lasers than the HBK can manage due to tonnage considerations - so that really only leaves mixed lasers and missiles, which ill grant it will do better than the HBK. I just dont like missiles very much, and love PPCs, hence my preference.

6 SPLas and 3 A-SRM6 works well enough in a brawl. Have a Crow with that. I'd give up speed for jump capability, though. Hell, if I am feeling generous, I could even toss in a couple MG for giggles. It has the pod space for it.

Edited by Pariah Devalis, 16 January 2016 - 06:28 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

Metus regem, on 16 January 2016 - 06:24 AM, said:

Not by a lot, maybe by a couple of seconds, but I generally use direct fire weapons, and Shadow Cats are often over heating, making them free targets.

And that's too bad, as she is a decent Mech in TT, a buddy of mine loves them dearly, like I love my Warhammers.

I think part of the issues for a lot of the mechs in this game is 2x armour, but 3x+ or more rate of fire, with not true DHS, all of that combined with pin point accuracy has given us this mess were in... If we had a circle where all of our shots would land, we'd still get our accuracy against a single section by getting close... Hell it'd be more realistic.

As for the RoF, if in World of Warships people are okay with playing Battleships that have 30 seconds between shots, I don't see the problem people would have with 10 seconds here.

To be honest, despite its failings, the Shadow Cat is my favourite mech to drive - its just so FUN, and i can do well in it - just not in the group queue because the massive DPS issues hurt it too much in the faster pace there. I like the fact that its incredibly undervalued because hopefully that means PGI will buff it soon.. 10-15% energy heat gen would go a LONG way to making it usable.

[Metus regem]

Widowmaker1981, on 16 January 2016 - 06:30 AM, said:

To be honest, despite its failings, the Shadow Cat is my favourite mech to drive - its just so FUN, and i can do well in it - just not in the group queue because the massive DPS issues hurt it too much in the faster pace there. I like the fact that its incredibly undervalued because hopefully that means PGI will buff it soon.. 10-15% energy heat gen would go a LONG way to making it usable.

I'd give it MG buffs for LOLz really, I tried out my buddy's that I loaded up with nothing but MG's, was amusing to play.

I do agree with you about PPC'S I love them, and I'm pretty decent with them, when the hit-reg gods are with me.

[RacerX]

My vote is the for the Black Lanner only if we get the newer artwork. The old artwork isn't as strong.
I also would love to see the Nova Cat. It would be beautiful in the new engine.

[Imperius]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 05:10 AM, said:

Wish I knew about that poll. Also, I am saddened. Why the hell would the Black Lanner beat the Huntsman by that much? It's a bad mech. A BAD mech. It's 55 tons with, what, 16 tons of pod space? By the numbers it is terrible. We need more good options for the Medium bracket, not more filler mechs.

90% of MWO mechs are filler mechs thanks to "Timeline Excuses"

[Wintersdark]

Pariah Devalis, on 16 January 2016 - 05:10 AM, said:

Wish I knew about that poll. Also, I am saddened. Why the hell would the Black Lanner beat the Huntsman by that much? It's a bad mech. A BAD mech. It's 55 tons with, what, 16 tons of pod space? By the numbers it is terrible. We need more good options for the Medium bracket, not more filler mechs.

[Wintersdark]

Widowmaker1981, on 16 January 2016 - 06:30 AM, said:

To be honest, despite its failings, the Shadow Cat is my favourite mech to drive - its just so FUN, and i can do well in it - just not in the group queue because the massive DPS issues hurt it too much in the faster pace there. I like the fact that its incredibly undervalued because hopefully that means PGI will buff it soon.. 10-15% energy heat gen would go a LONG way to making it usable.

The shadowcat is an objectively poor mech, but yeah... It's a damned riot to pilot. It's the closed thing to a jet fighter we can get

It's so damn fun.

As much as buffed MASC won't fix it, it WILL make it even more fun to pilot, so I'll take that.

[Coralld]

I agree with Metus and Pariah in that the Huntsman is by far the better option vs. the Black Lanner. It really must be either people are Ignorant and just simply didn't do their Mech Homework or that they are simply stupid and going with the rule of cool. I'm sure the Black Lanner could be brought in some time down the road but what the Clans need right now are more viable options, with VIABLE being the main thing. The Huntsman has that as its like a 50t Stormcrow but with JJ.

Do I think the Huntsman will knock the Crow off its perch as top Medium? Probably not. Could it be competitive? Yes it can. Sure its arms are big and most of its weapons are in its arms which is why if it was given Hunch level armor quirks in the arms it would really not be that big of an issue, on top of that, great for sward and board if one wanted too as they are large and could easily protect the torso from the side.

In short the Huntsman has a lot of options going for it. As for me personally, I'd love to see a Medium Omni pack with Huntsman, Coyote, Pouncer, and Viper. All of which would beat the pants off the Black Lanner, hell, even the Coyote, Pouncer, and Viper could do the same job as the Black Lanner or better even and they are 15t lighter.

Edited by Coralld, 16 January 2016 - 08:16 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Navid A1, on 16 January 2016 - 12:43 AM, said:

Two good things will come out as a result of this.

1- My favorite mech will become better

2- The lore will be violated to oblivion and all the timeline nonsense people use as an excuse to keep the good mechs out of the game would vanish!

1) Lore already gets ignored for the sake of FPS mechanics
2) NEVER!

Go boot up MW4 if you want that Clan Diamond Shark abomination!

[Coralld]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 January 2016 - 08:40 AM, said:

1) Lore already gets ignored for the sake of FPS mechanics
2) NEVER!

Go boot up MW4 if you want that Clan Diamond Shark abomination!

Which mech is he talking about as I do like Clan Diamond Shark and their mechs.

[Bishop Steiner]

Coralld, on 16 January 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Which mech is he talking about as I do like Clan Diamond Shark and their mechs.

Madcat mkII, the abomination they made specifically to sell to the IS; those traitors!!!!

[Coralld]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 January 2016 - 08:49 AM, said:

Madcat mkII, the abomination they made specifically to sell to the IS; those traitors!!!!

Yes they did make the Madcat mkII but it wasn't the mech they made to sell specifically to the IS, that would be the MKIII. The Clans literally said it was an abomination and so the Sharks were like "fine, we will sell them to the IS and make lots of the monies."
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Mad_Cat_III

Edited by Coralld, 16 January 2016 - 08:58 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Coralld, on 16 January 2016 - 08:53 AM, said:

Yes they did make the Madcat mkII but it wasn't the mech they made to sell specifically to the IS, that would be the MKIII. The Clans literally said it was an abomination and so the Sharks were like "fine, we will sell them to the IS and make lots of the monies."
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Mad_Cat_III

Got to look beyond Sarna. Ask yourself why they named it "MadCat mk II" and not "TimberWolf mk II" even before the other clans denounced it?

"Although no one has yet been able to
confirm this, it appears that the Diamond Sharks
are now willing to sell unmodified Clan
equipment to the Inner Sphere, at least on a
limited basis. This would explain why the Clan
chose the Mad Cat designation rather than
Timber Wolf. If this were true, it would signal a
significant shift in attitudes within Clan Diamond
Shark. Certainly the fact that the Clan chose to
use supplies of outmoded weapons in arming
this BattleMech lend credence to this theory"

3067 TRO. It appears it was always their plan to sell to the next untapped market.... because well, Diamond Sharks ARE the merchant clan.

[Coralld]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 January 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

Got to look beyond Sarna. Ask yourself why they named it "MadCat mk II" and not "TimberWolf mk II" even before the other clans denounced it?

"Although no one has yet been able to
confirm this, it appears that the Diamond Sharks
are now willing to sell unmodified Clan
equipment to the Inner Sphere, at least on a
limited basis. This would explain why the Clan
chose the Mad Cat designation rather than
Timber Wolf. If this were true, it would signal a
significant shift in attitudes within Clan Diamond
Shark. Certainly the fact that the Clan chose to
use supplies of outmoded weapons in arming
this BattleMech lend credence to this theory"

3067 TRO. It appears it was always their plan to sell to the next untapped market.... because well, Diamond Sharks ARE the merchant clan.

Not going to dispute that. Also, as you said, the Sharks are the merchants Clan so it wouldn't surprise me, also, the Madcat mkII was meant to be sold widely to all to make up the expenses lost in the 3050 Clan war with the IS. If the mech ended up also being sold to the IS because they were willing to pony up, well the Sharks are not going to argue.
The Sharks, when they later become nomads, kinda like the Quarians in ME but the BT versions and are more awesome, really are the only Clan that most people like no mater if they are Clan or IS and don't really have a problem with them entering their system. They are like the Ice Cream truck that goes through peoples neighborhoods and the kids come out screaming "YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!"

Also, its a good idea to read the fine print when dealing the Sharks, also, don't be late on your payments, other wise you will be reenacting the scene in Family Guy where Brian owed Stewie money.

Edited by Coralld, 16 January 2016 - 09:48 AM.

[pbiggz]

Bishop Steiner, on 16 January 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

Got to look beyond Sarna. Ask yourself why they named it "MadCat mk II" and not "TimberWolf mk II" even before the other clans denounced it?

"Although no one has yet been able to
confirm this, it appears that the Diamond Sharks
are now willing to sell unmodified Clan
equipment to the Inner Sphere, at least on a
limited basis. This would explain why the Clan
chose the Mad Cat designation rather than
Timber Wolf. If this were true, it would signal a
significant shift in attitudes within Clan Diamond
Shark. Certainly the fact that the Clan chose to
use supplies of outmoded weapons in arming
this BattleMech lend credence to this theory"

3067 TRO. It appears it was always their plan to sell to the next untapped market.... because well, Diamond Sharks ARE the merchant clan.

Dont you bad mouth my MK II.

Its sexy... dont lie to me you know it is...


Also black lanner DOA, 16 tons of podspace on a 50 tonner? The shadow cat has 18 tons of podspace and its 45 tons and it sucks. WTF are people thinking?

[Coralld]

pbiggz, on 16 January 2016 - 10:06 AM, said:

Dont you bad mouth my MK II.

Its sexy... dont lie to me you know it is...


Also black lanner DOA, 16 tons of podspace on a 50 tonner? The shadow cat has 18 tons of podspace and its 45 tons and it sucks. WTF are people thinking?

Its worse than that I do believe as the Black Lanner only has 13t of pod space if I remember correctly and its 55t mech, vs. say the Huntsman at around 25t of pod space on a 50t mech.

Edited by Coralld, 16 January 2016 - 10:20 AM.