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[wanderer]

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The only thing I can offer you as a reply on this is a facepalm.

The only thing I can offer you for thinking a targeting system is nothing but a computer handwaving adjustments is my condolences for the death of reason.

The ability to converge your weapons dynamically requires constant, mechanical intervention. No matter how much you handwave at it, the game universe says "We require really, really good upgrades to even -try- to hit something as small as a single hit location on a 'Mech repeatedly, over and over again- even with one gun, never mind multiples."

In fact, the game is pretty much built around NOT being hit in the same place by all your opponent's weapons, as that can literally OSK people easily in TT. Even with doubled armor and quirks, it's still a massive TTK reduction in MWO.

But hey, keep on trying to say it works or that it even SHOULD work in MWO. The constant sandbagging of ever larger armor and structure quirkage should point towards the problem.

And it's perfect convergence + pinpoint damage. Perfectly converging LB-X's don't break the game, after all.

[Mystere]

wanderer, on 12 February 2016 - 03:01 PM, said:

The only thing I can offer you for thinking a targeting system is nothing but a computer handwaving adjustments is my condolences for the death of reason.

The ability to converge your weapons dynamically requires constant, mechanical intervention. No matter how much you handwave at it, the game universe says "We require really, really good upgrades to even -try- to hit something as small as a single hit location on a 'Mech repeatedly, over and over again- even with one gun, never mind multiples."

In fact, the game is pretty much built around NOT being hit in the same place by all your opponent's weapons, as that can literally OSK people easily in TT. Even with doubled armor and quirks, it's still a massive TTK reduction in MWO.

But hey, keep on trying to say it works or that it even SHOULD work in MWO. The constant sandbagging of ever larger armor and structure quirkage should point towards the problem.

And it's perfect convergence + pinpoint damage. Perfectly converging LB-X's don't break the game, after all.

Just to clarify, its "The ability to converge your multi-ton weapons dynamically ...".

We're not talking here about tiny mirrors that weigh in grams.

<Kuritaclan - Yes, I dared to invoke this.>

Edited by Mystere, 12 February 2016 - 03:12 PM.

[wanderer]

Careful, use that and people will think ML/SL boats are excluded, because 1 ton or less.

[Kuritaclan]

pyrocomp, on 12 February 2016 - 02:36 PM, said:

This part I get, I don't get how you draw that conclusion from that screeshot.

Can't help you. You need to figure it out yourself. It is obvious - if you can not see it well not my problem.

wanderer, on 12 February 2016 - 03:01 PM, said:

The only thing I can offer you for thinking a targeting system is nothing but a computer handwaving adjustments is my condolences for the death of reason.

Öhm nopp. But i guess we do have diffrent point of views.

wanderer, on 12 February 2016 - 03:01 PM, said:

In fact, the game is pretty much built around NOT being hit in the same place by all your opponent's weapons, as that can literally OSK people easily in TT. Even with doubled armor and quirks, it's still a massive TTK reduction in MWO.

TT rules do not convert 1:1 into MWO. A 2 ERLL and a Gauss round is enough to core out a ct of a 90t mech in the novels. I'm glad that this not the case in MWO either. How much do you wann have the chance that this happens 1:10, 1:100, 1:1000, 1:10000?

Mystere, on 12 February 2016 - 03:09 PM, said:

Just to clarify, its "The ability to converge your multi-ton weapons dynamically ...".

We're not talking here about tiny mirrors that weigh in grams.

Yeah dynamically making multi ton legs on battle mechs go up and down with not falling over is as much amazing.

Edited by Kuritaclan, 12 February 2016 - 04:10 PM.

[pyrocomp]

Kuritaclan, on 12 February 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

Can't help you. You need to figure it out yourself. It is obvious - if you can not see it well not my problem.

Nope, all I see from that screenshot that you fired at stationary Atlas at best, thus missing the whole point behind correlated shots.

[Mystere]

Kuritaclan, on 12 February 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

Yeah dynamically making multi ton legs on battle mechs go up and down with not falling over is as much amazing.

Don't be silly. That's what gyros are for.

[Mystere]

geodeath, on 12 February 2016 - 07:06 PM, said:

no

That was such an eloquent and informative reply.

[Jolly Llama]

It is all that needs to be said.

[Hotthedd]

geodeath, on 12 February 2016 - 07:13 PM, said:

It is all that needs to be said.

I'll say it.
Some people cannot live without their crutches.

[Mystere]

geodeath, on 12 February 2016 - 07:13 PM, said:

It is all that needs to be said.

And yet you quoted the entire OP.

Hotthedd, on 12 February 2016 - 07:17 PM, said:

I'll say it.
Some people cannot live without their crutches.

It's actually pretty obvious at this point.

[Jolly Llama]

I run a light. Cone of fire is death to lights. We could not target individual armor points on the run. so, no. The nerfing has already diluted this game to not much more than a shadow of what it should be. Weak weapons like MGs and IS Streaks should be buffed to be on par with other weapons in their respective classes. People should learn how to move and shoot. And for the love of God, stop putting more than two weapon groups on your mechs. You get killed and then cry that people have weapons that are too powerful. It is ruining the game, and has been slowly degrading the overall player skill level for over a year now.

[Hotthedd]

geodeath, on 12 February 2016 - 07:49 PM, said:

I run a light. Cone of fire is death to lights. We could not target individual armor points on the run. so, no. The nerfing has already diluted this game to not much more than a shadow of what it should be. Weak weapons like MGs and IS Streaks should be buffed to be on par with other weapons in their respective classes. People should learn how to move and shoot. And for the love of God, stop putting more than two weapon groups on your mechs. You get killed and then cry that people have weapons that are too powerful. It is ruining the game, and has been slowly degrading the overall player skill level for over a year now.

You realize of course that the COF cuts both ways, lights would enjoy a higher TTK. Sure, firing 6 SPLs would stop you from coring rear CTs in 2 shots, but chain fire would still let you keep precision.

[Joshua Obrien]

Hotthedd, on 12 February 2016 - 08:14 PM, said:

You realize of course that the COF cuts both ways, lights would enjoy a higher TTK. Sure, firing 6 SPLs would stop you from coring rear CTs in 2 shots, but chain fire would still let you keep precision.

I swear some of the people who are against this have selective reading, only seeing the bad in everything.

[ComradeHavoc]

Joshua Obrien, on 12 February 2016 - 08:18 PM, said:

I swear some of the people who are against this have selective reading, only seeing the bad in everything.

People see what they want to see in view of their own opinions.

[Wolfways]

geodeath, on 12 February 2016 - 07:49 PM, said:

I run a light. Cone of fire is death to lights. We could not target individual armor points on the run. so, no. The nerfing has already diluted this game to not much more than a shadow of what it should be. Weak weapons like MGs and IS Streaks should be buffed to be on par with other weapons in their respective classes. People should learn how to move and shoot. And for the love of God, stop putting more than two weapon groups on your mechs. You get killed and then cry that people have weapons that are too powerful. It is ruining the game, and has been slowly degrading the overall player skill level for over a year now.

Hmm, I often use 3-4 weapon groups. I must be making those players who are skilled enough to use a whole 2 groups feel bad when I kill them. Sorry about that
Must feel even worse when they realize that I'm running stock weapons (or nearly stock in the case of clan mechs that can't run stock without melting. Thanks for that pgi )

[Mystere]

geodeath, on 12 February 2016 - 07:49 PM, said:

I run a light. Cone of fire is death to lights. We could not target individual armor points on the run. so, no. The nerfing has already diluted this game to not much more than a shadow of what it should be. Weak weapons like MGs and IS Streaks should be buffed to be on par with other weapons in their respective classes. People should learn how to move and shoot. And for the love of God, stop putting more than two weapon groups on your mechs. You get killed and then cry that people have weapons that are too powerful. It is ruining the game, and has been slowly degrading the overall player skill level for over a year now.

That's only a problem if you run-and-run at long range. A knife fighter would not have a problem. You do knife fight, right?

Joshua Obrien, on 12 February 2016 - 08:18 PM, said:

I swear some of the people who are against this have selective reading, only seeing the bad in everything.

Or they just make things up to suit their purposes.

[Imperius]

Why is this thread still going?

LRM's are OP =/= Convergence is OP

The two threads should always just be instant K-Town at this point.

My summary on anti-convergence

Edited by Imperius, 13 February 2016 - 06:56 AM.

[Metus regem]

Imperius, on 13 February 2016 - 06:31 AM, said:

Why is this thread still going?

LRM's are OP =/= Convergence is OP

The two threads should always just be instant K-Town at this point.

My summary on anti-convergence

Perhaps the moderators find something legitimate about this topic? Personally I find the instant convergence to be the biggest flaw in MWO, and I like the OP's idea. Want pun point accuracy, either get close, or pack Sniper kit (TC/CC+modules) and take your time to line up shots.

[Imperius]

Metus regem, on 13 February 2016 - 07:00 AM, said:

Perhaps the moderators find something legitimate about this topic? Personally I find the instant convergence to be the biggest flaw in MWO, and I like the OP's idea. Want pun point accuracy, either get close, or pack Sniper kit (TC/CC+modules) and take your time to line up shots.

I already do the latter. As for the topic at hand 47 pages of fighting is a failure in moderation if you ask me.

[KahnWongFuChung]

Sorry OP and those blind mice that have drug this terrible topic on so long but you should start a new topic called=





CONE OF FRUSTRATION