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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 10:30 AM, said:

I said the entire game is literally about this one mech now.

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jjm1, on 04 November 2016 - 10:37 AM, said:

I said the entire game is literally about this one mech now.

Can confirm, the meta shifted just to counter these beasts and even then it only controls them a little bit, they are still the most important mech on the field.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 04 November 2016 - 10:49 AM.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 November 2016 - 10:48 AM, said:

Can confirm, the meta shifted just to counter these beasts.

But it's fine. Just ask the potatoes.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 November 2016 - 10:48 AM, said:

the meta shifted

K

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AphexTwin11, on 03 November 2016 - 12:50 PM, said:

the KDK-3 can overpower anything in it's path

I can take things out of context too!!!

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 November 2016 - 11:01 AM, said:

I can take things out of context too!!!

How was I out of context, you literally said the game meta shifted to counter the KDK-3...

Watch out - I have photo proof the KDK-3 QQ nerf crowd is preparing a reinforcement:

Edited by AphexTwin11, 04 November 2016 - 11:05 AM.

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Monkey Lover, on 04 November 2016 - 07:24 AM, said:

So as long as a mech can be killed it's balanced? I die in my kdk3 all the time but most the time I already have 4 kills and 800dmg on avg.

Kdk-3 is the best assault in the game and has more quirks than the kdk 1/5 lol

When I say killed, I mean I've solo'd fresh Kodiaks. I got my *** beat doing it, but what do you expect with such a huge weight differential?

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 10:52 AM, said:

K

So, what that means is that the people who play this game well and with an eye to winning understand that the mech is so powerful they literally adjust their strategies to account for it.

But, yeah, your Tier 3 PUG experience is a better guide to balance.

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TercieI, on 04 November 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

So, what that means is that the people who play this game well and with an eye to winning understand that the mech is so powerful they literally adjust their strategies to account for it.

But, yeah, your Tier 3 PUG experience is a better guide to balance.

People adjust their strategies based on wayyy more than one mech - this is hilarious.

I adjust my strategy going against DWF's, Locusts, and LRM boats, different maps, different mechs I;m piloting. I guess that means they are all OP too. PGI plz nerf aforementioned mechs, plz nerf all maps, plz nerf all my mechs,

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:03 AM, said:

How was I out of context, you literally said the game meta shifted to counter the KDK-3...

You left the important part out, it shifted to counter the KDK-3 which is always telling of what is the most powerful mech in the game, especially when the meta shift fails to actually counter it but simply mitigates some of its power which is still more than any other assault can say, otherwise the usage of it would've dropped more.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 November 2016 - 11:09 AM, said:

You left the important part out, it shifted to counter the KDK-3 which is always telling of what is the most powerful mech in the game, especially when the meta shift fails to actually counter it but simply mitigates some of its power which is still more than any other assault can say, otherwise the usage of it would've dropped more.

Forest gump would blush at the length of that run on sentence.

If you think the ENTIRE GAME revolves around ONE CHASSIS, you need to remove your tin foil hat and splash some cold water on your face

Edited by AphexTwin11, 04 November 2016 - 11:14 AM.

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TercieI, on 04 November 2016 - 11:07 AM, said:

So, what that means is that the people who play this game well and with an eye to winning understand that the mech is so powerful they literally adjust their strategies to account for it.

But, yeah, your Tier 3 PUG experience is a better guide to balance.

*insert meme pic of Buzz Lightyear*

Caption said:

Unicorns

Unicorns Everywhere

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:09 AM, said:

I adjust my strategy going against DWF's, Locusts, and LRM boats, different maps, different mechs I;m piloting. I guess that means they are all OP too. PGI plz nerf aforementioned mechs, plz nerf all maps, plz nerf all my mechs,

Ignoring the hyperbolic stupidity laced in this post, you aren't going to change your strategy because an enemy might have a Locust, Whale, or even LRMs. Now you might use a different tactic to handle it, but your drop decs aren't going to change because of them, the Kodiak forced everyone to have to figure out specific builds that are able to deal with the Kodiak which ultimately resulted in much less overall variety. It is power creep because it has no real downsides unlike the prior meta Assaults.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 November 2016 - 08:10 AM, said:

It is also only 85 tons, which means it won't have near the free tonnage of a Kodiak nor does 3 ballistics in the same side torso resemble the firepower you can get with 2 ballistics in both side torsos. The Marauder IIC could be good, but it won't be better than the Kodiak, let's be honest about that right now.

Really ? That's your argument ? ONE POINT FIVE tons of free tonnage is worth whining about the kodiak still ? You clearly haven't looked at engine charts lately. A 340XL is 20.5 tons, a 400XL is 33.5 tons. That's 13 tons. The difference in internal structure weight is 0.5 tons.

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:13 AM, said:

If you think the ENTIRE GAME revolves around ONE CHASSIS, you need to remove your tin foil hat and splash some cold water on your face

Or maybe I've just been around the meta long enough that I know that's how it works. During the era of Whale dominance it wasn't any different. The team that protected their Whales and had the best Whale pilots won the match because the game was all about making sure the Whale could do all the gunning.

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:13 AM, said:

Forest gump would blush at the length of that run on sentence.

If you think the ENTIRE GAME revolves around ONE CHASSIS, you need to remove your tin foil hat and splash some cold water on your face

If you are actually playing to win, then, they are the top choice to win...

I mean, top priority target is ALWAYS the KDK-3.

If you pick a different mech, you're a bad drop caller/pilot.

Dee Eight, on 04 November 2016 - 11:21 AM, said:

Really ? That's your argument ? ONE POINT FIVE tons of free tonnage is worth whining about the kodiak still ? You clearly haven't looked at engine charts lately. A 340XL is 20.5 tons, a 400XL is 33.5 tons. That's 13 tons. The difference in internal structure weight is 0.5 tons.

You've overrated a mech that hasn't been released yet.

Edited by Deathlike, 04 November 2016 - 11:23 AM.

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MischiefSC, on 03 November 2016 - 07:38 PM, said:

No, I have the KDK. The KDK 3 is a stone cold killer. I'm agreeing with the people who do actually know what they're talking about and saying the mech is OP.

Bad game balance hurts a lot of things. I get that you don't see the imbalance in your little slice of the game or at least if you do don't recognize it. That's fine. That has nothing, at all, to do with the actual balance.

My little slice of the game can not be observed from under your rock. The fact that you bought the kdk-3 doesn't dismiss your dissatisfaction with that it is more efficient than your old mech which you believe pwnz.
If you are trying to say that you feel very special because you play "competitive" matches and you feel disbalance in gameplay by having to face good pilots in kdk-3s, then your teams need to negotiate the rules such as limiting the kdk-3s in your gameplay, unless you and your team are potatoes and cannot speak and/or have not brains to impose rules to your competitive matches.
Like I already have said, in random gameplay the kdk-3 is not a problem, like, at all. You have to be really brain damaged to whine about OP Kodiak in the random quickplay game mode. For competitive matches - you rule out things that are considered OP for that type of gameplay.

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AphexTwin11, on 04 November 2016 - 11:13 AM, said:

Forest gump would blush at the length of that run on sentence.

If you think the ENTIRE GAME revolves around ONE CHASSIS, you need to remove your tin foil hat and splash some cold water on your face

It literally changed every deck and every thought about positioning and map strategy both with and against the mech in every comp match it's legal (that was being played by competent teams) throughout the MWOWC and now in MRBC. So yeah, the game pretty much revolves around it right now.

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Quicksilver Kalasa, on 04 November 2016 - 11:22 AM, said:

Or maybe I've just been around the meta long enough that I know that's how it works. During the era of Whale dominance it wasn't any different. The team that protected their Whales and had the best Whale pilots won the match because the game was all about making sure the Whale could do all the gunning.

The team that protecteds their [insert assault mech chassis] and had has the best [insert assault mech chassis] pilots won wins the match because the game was is all about making sure the [insert assault mech chassis] could can do all the gunning.

Nothing has changed and that scenario generally applies to mostly all matches, aside from conquest. That isn't something unique to Kodiaks, as it applies generally to all assaults. I fail to see how that substantiates that the KDK-3 is super OP.

But I can understand to a point what you are trying to say. If an Atlas, DWF, and KDK are all targets incoming,I might want to focus on the Kodiak being that I will probably be able to outrun & out cover the other two. I still don't think that should mean the KDK-3 takes a steel nerf-bat covered in fire and barbed wire to the face

Edited by AphexTwin11, 04 November 2016 - 11:30 AM.

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MWn00b, on 04 November 2016 - 11:24 AM, said:

Like I already have said, in random gameplay the kdk-3 is not a problem, like, at all. You have to be really brain damaged to whine about OP Kodiak in the random quickplay game mode. For competitive matches - you rule out things that are considered OP for that type of gameplay.

I would like to play the games you are playing, while I'm running a KDK-3.

It would be glorious.