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[Egg Fu]

smokytehbear, on 21 June 2016 - 09:13 PM, said:

First off, we don't even really know what they're changing.

Are freaking kidding me?! Didn't you already read the details yourself?

Here! Read it again:
https://mwomercs.com...ng-new-mini-map

[Nightshade24]

Meanwhile i am sitting here being all like: "I love this change. better then the old minimap"

[dervishx5]

Nightshade24, on 21 June 2016 - 09:29 PM, said:

Meanwhile i am sitting here being all like: "I love this change. better then the old minimap"

That must mean you're a sociopath or something. You're not allowed to like things that are different.

[smokytehbear]

Nightshade24, on 21 June 2016 - 09:29 PM, said:

Meanwhile i am sitting here being all like: "I love this change. better then the old minimap"

I still think it would be fantastic if we had options. That way if you like the new version, terrific. If you don't, use the old version. Everyone wins.

Don't see that happening though. Russ has specifically said they won't be doing that.

[dervishx5]

Everyone listed on the first post needs a lesson in diplomacy.

[SplashDown]

smokytehbear, on 21 June 2016 - 06:41 PM, said:

I was a boat guy, so I failed the only land nav course I took, and no one cared. So your analogy might actually hold water.

As a boat guy however, the map isn't tactical. We used relative and absolute bearings all the time but for different things. A "map" like this one was used for navigation, something you pretty much don't need in this game. A "plot" conversely was used for combat. It very much resembled what we had before. Trying to track enemies based off absolute angles (000 being north on a 360 circle) is cumbersome and if you did that with a fire control team you would be mocked and corrected at best, and responsible for a slow response to a torpedo and the subsequent death of 200 people at worst. Exaggeration maybe sure, but the point is, use the tools that make sense.

4 minimap aspects lost in this patch:
Relative Rotation
Effective Scale
Direction of legs vs. cone of vision
Doritos (Enemy/Friendly)

We're getting the first three of those back, so hopefully it will be usable again for its real purpose.

It's not so much that it couldn't be done the way it currently is, pre-hotfix. It's just an unnecessary chore, caused vertigo for some people, and overall reduced the fun many of us had playing the game. Top that off with: No one actually asked for this.

Either way, if it isn't headache-inducing anymore, I will be happy to once again play the game I love.

Dont forget sizemic sencers useless with new map as well

[Nightshade24]

dervishx5, on 21 June 2016 - 09:31 PM, said:

That must mean you're a sociopath or something. You're not allowed to like things that are different.

smokytehbear, on 21 June 2016 - 09:34 PM, said:

I still think it would be fantastic if we had options. That way if you like the new version, terrific. If you don't, use the old version. Everyone wins.

Don't see that happening though. Russ has specifically said they won't be doing that.

I wish it was like MW4 which had a mini map like this.

There was a button (well 2 buttons, SHIFT + M) to toggle the map...
1 was a circular map (much like our old one... but it didn't display terrain, only enemies and friendlies in range and spotted but was turning with you like our old map)
Press SHIFT + M and you get the map style that we got atm (but we have it better, higher res, later on zoom able, etc. As well as a grid overlay)
Press SHIFT + M again if you got mektek and both maps are displayed, your normal one in a normal location and the other one on the left above what was for MW4 the enemy damage condition / "paper doll". So there was even an option to have both displayed at the same time so you can cross reference.

However MW4 doesn't stop there. you could change your sensor range/ view between 1000 meters and 400 meters, allowing brawlers to brawl with better detail of enemy location.

[smokytehbear]

Nightshade24, on 21 June 2016 - 10:22 PM, said:

However MW4 doesn't stop there. you could change your sensor range/ view between 1000 meters and 400 meters, allowing brawlers to brawl with better detail of enemy location.

I actually remember this, and remember using it fairly frequently actually. Somewhat analogous to our "B" key though. The more options of customizing vision/radar/battlegrids the better imho. Could be an entire page in settings dedicated to minimap alone, letting people choose whether orientation is fixed/relative, doritos/diamonds, display classes: yes/no, display grid markers within grid or just on borders, zoom level. List could go on and on. Would be terrific.

I'm dreaming though.

[Wicked Gaming]

add: jimbobjoe to that list

[Stelar 7]

I tried, but this change killed it. I will try again after the hotfix. Whomever thought this map up, shame on you. That was a beyond horrible idea and you have made me really upset.

[JaxRiot]

I dont think I will be playing until its fixed.

I worked late so I didnt get a chance to see it earlier, but now that i have, I hate it.

[smokytehbear]

So is that confirmed Stelar7 and JaxRiot to the list?

dervishx5, on 21 June 2016 - 09:41 PM, said:

Everyone listed on the first post needs a lesson in diplomacy.

I'm one of the people listed in the first post. Genuinely curious, what do you suggest was a superior route to take?

[Darth Futuza]

Game is worse, but that doesn't mean it isn't still fun. Silly thread is silly. Especially with hotfix inbound this week.

[Texas Merc]

PRESS C TO CENTER YOUR LEGS

[Scout Derek]

I'm a bad person, I'm abusing my power and don't like you and want nothing but positive on the 1st page of GD. I'm closing this thread. Fear me, now bore before me. /Sarcasm.

Too bad people don't do this all the time. it'd make changes happen faster (minus the 30+ threads, maybe 15 would make a point, 30+ is overkill, let's be honest here)

Edited by Procurator Derek, 21 June 2016 - 11:43 PM.

[Thomas G Wolf]

You may add me to that list.

[smokytehbear]

Procurator Derek, on 21 June 2016 - 11:42 PM, said:

I'm a bad person, I'm abusing my power and don't like you and want nothing but positive on the 1st page of GD. I'm closing this thread. Fear me, now bore before me. /Sarcasm.

Too bad people don't do this all the time. it'd make changes happen faster (minus the 30+ threads, maybe 15 would make a point, 30+ is overkill, let's be honest here)

Would also make your job easier I imagine.

Do know that many of us very much appreciate what you're doing. Wouldn't want the job myself.

[ArmandTulsen]

Bluefalcon13, on 21 June 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

Did they stop teaching people how to read maps in 1st grade or something? Y'all are acting like a bunch of lost LTs on a land-nav course......

There's a difference between taking a knee, enjoying the shade, taking a sip from your water bottle, pulling out your map from your leg pocket, studying it carefully, and plotting your unit's course for the next 25 clicks...

VS

Looking at a computer interface of the map overlay while having hot lead hurled at you from multiple bogeys while you're trying to adjust your bearing to GTFO before you go critical.

[Scout Derek]

smokytehbear, on 21 June 2016 - 11:45 PM, said:

Would also make your job easier I imagine.

Do know that many of us very much appreciate what you're doing. Wouldn't want the job myself.

At this time? Probably not. But what can you do? It's the forums.

[dervishx5]

We need to clone Derek.