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[Wintersdark]

Dakka and splat mediums are both great. I'm happy with that. Laser mediums hold their own just fine as well, though.

4AC5 and nothing else though is not crushing DPS. You're looking at 20 pt hits over a fairly long cooldown; I forget the exact pts cooldown, but each is sub-2 DPS.

Jack Shayu Walker, on 24 August 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

On live? I beg to differ. UAC/10 + 6x cERSL is the bomb. On PTS I'm inclined to agree. There used to be incentive for combining clan dakka with lasers, but that incentive was repeatable high alpha strikes, which ED set out to destroy in the first place - whether I like it or not.

The uac10 thing is a target of ED, yeah.

However, even on pts, I found a single uac10 remains a great weapon, and two is excellent in the case of mechs just mounting the two. If you want other weapons too then you'll need lbx10's or something else.

A single 10 and 5-6 ERSL certainly works though.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Wintersdark, on 24 August 2016 - 03:15 PM, said:

Dakka and splat mediums are both great. I'm happy with that. Laser mediums hold their own just fine as well, though.

4AC5 and nothing else though is not crushing DPS. You're looking at 20 pt hits over a fairly long cooldown; I forget the exact pts cooldown, but each is sub-2 DPS.



The uac10 thing is a target of ED, yeah.

However, even on pts, I found a single uac10 remains a great weapon, and two is excellent in the case of mechs just mounting the two. If you want other weapons too then you'll need lbx10's or something else.

A single 10 and 5-6 ERSL certainly works though.

Hey Winter, do you want to do some 1v1 testing?

[Wintersdark]

Much of what you're saying up here, though, Quicksilver? It doesn't look like problems to me. *Shrugs*

Dakka and brawling being preferred methods of play? ... Ok.

Lasers being usable, easier to aim vs. lighter mechs, but not as dominant? I'm ok with that too.

You're not painting a bad picture, even if I take what you're saying at face value (and as someone with a LOT of pts drops, I feel you are misjudging some things)

Jack Shayu Walker, on 24 August 2016 - 03:18 PM, said:

Hey Winter, do you want to do some 1v1 testing?

I'd be up for it this evening. Busy right now, but I'll be back on later

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Wintersdark, on 24 August 2016 - 03:20 PM, said:

Much of what you're saying up here, though, Quicksilver? It doesn't look like problems to me. *Shrugs*

Dakka and brawling being preferred methods of play? ... Ok.

Lasers being usable, easier to aim vs. lighter mechs, but not as dominant? I'm ok with that too.

You're not painting a bad picture, even if I take what you're saying at face value (and as someone with a LOT of pts drops, I feel you are misjudging some things)

I'd be up for it this evening. Busy right now, but I'll be back on later

Got a time I can write down? I've got other stuff to take care of in the meantime, but I need to know when to be back, lol.

I'll shoot you a friend request.

[Wintersdark]

I do think ppc's need some buffing though, they were over nerfed and that leads to too little ppfld sniping.

Jack Shayu Walker, on 24 August 2016 - 03:21 PM, said:

Got a time I can write down? I've got other stuff to take care of in the meantime, but I need to know when to be back, lol.

I'll shoot you a friend request.

dunno, when is good for you? I'm just at home, still post op from surgury so I need to lie down between doing stuff. Going to be making dinner soon for the kiddos, but I'll be on after... Maybe 8 mountain/7 pacific

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Wintersdark, on 24 August 2016 - 03:27 PM, said:

I do think ppc's need some buffing though, they were over nerfed and that leads to too little ppfld sniping.

dunno, when is good for you? I'm just at home, still post op from surgury so I need to lie down between doing stuff. Going to be making dinner soon for the kiddos, but I'll be on after... Maybe 8 mountain/7 pacific

10 eastern? Sure that works for me. See you the PTS.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Jack Shayu Walker, on 24 August 2016 - 03:11 PM, said:

On live? I beg to differ. UAC/10 + 6x cERSL is the bomb.

It is a bad build on live, I know people swear by it, but there are plenty of better builds.
Edit: Bad is a bit harsh, it is serviceable, but it isn't as effective as others.

Wintersdark, on 24 August 2016 - 03:09 PM, said:

Also, velocity differences are irrelevant in pts2 for AC+lasers. You're firing the AC's then the lasers, not alpha striking. Lead+fire AC+adjust+fire lasers. You're splitting them either way, so it's not an issue.

It is an issue because then why have lasers in the first place when you can get better DPS just running dakka? That's the thing I'm trying to figure out and not really finding any real good reason. If a mech can't do it enough dakka, then much like the poptart era people will just reject it because the heat efficiency of the lasers makes it less effective.

Wintersdark, on 24 August 2016 - 03:20 PM, said:

Lasers being usable, easier to aim vs. lighter mechs, but not as dominant?

This isn't true at the moment, I'm not sure what is up with hit reg, but I find it far easier to kill a light with the 5 AC5 Mauler or Gauss/PPC Kodiak than I ever did with Clan or IS laser vomit.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 24 August 2016 - 03:46 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 24 August 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

It is a bad build on live, I know people swear by it, but there are plenty of better builds.
Edit: Bad is a bit harsh, it is serviceable, but it isn't as effective as others.


It is an issue because then why have lasers in the first place when you can get better DPS just running dakka? That's the thing I'm trying to figure out and not really finding any real good reason. If a mech can't do it enough dakka, then much like the poptart era people will just reject it because the heat efficiency of the lasers makes it less effective.


This isn't true at the moment, I'm not sure what is up with hit reg, but I find it far easier to kill a light with the 5 AC5 Mauler or Gauss/PPC Kodiak than I ever did with Clan or IS laser vomit.

Better DPS? Really?

Do you know what PTS2 DPS is for an AC5? For a Large Laser?

1 AC5: 2.17 DPS
1 Large Laser: 2.12 DPS.
1 CMPL: 2.16 DPS

You can fire 3LL / 3LL easily. Or 2 LL + 2 LL + Gauss. Less facetime required than AC5's.

I can't comment on your hitreg issues, other than to say I don't have that issue with either. Obviously, there's nothing else I can do about that.


Gauss+PPC builds have always smashing lights if you could aim. My DWF's utterly crushed lots, because those 50pt alphas just wreck lights. That's not really relevant anymore though - I suppose lights are happy about that? I don't do lights, so I can't comment there.

My 4 LL / Gauss Misery certainly didn't struggle at all.

Edited by Wintersdark, 24 August 2016 - 03:57 PM.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 24 August 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

It is a bad build on live, I know people swear by it, but there are plenty of better builds.
Edit: Bad is a bit harsh, it is serviceable, but it isn't as effective as others.

You guys on the forums have been telling me that about every single mech I've ever built . Hasn't stopped me from thrashing the competition just as good as any of the meta builds. Don't get me wrong though, I'm still miffed 1x UAC/10, 6x cERSL got nerfed on the PTS.

Edited by Jack Shayu Walker, 24 August 2016 - 03:56 PM.

[Nightmare1]

What about the stock Nova with those 12 CERMLs? Has that gone the way of the dinosaur on this new PTS build? That was such a fun Mech even though it was impractical. I hate that PGI is ripping the joy out of this game.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Nightmare1, on 24 August 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

What about the stock Nova with those 12 CERMLs? Has that gone the way of the dinosaur on this new PTS build? That was such a fun Mech even though it was impractical. I hate that PGI is ripping the joy out of this game.

It worked on PTS 1, on PTS 2 I think you'll have more or less the same luck as live.

[Navid A1]

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 24 August 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

It is an issue because then why have lasers in the first place when you can get better DPS just running dakka? That's the thing I'm trying to figure out and not really finding any real good reason. If a mech can't do it enough dakka, then much like the poptart era people will just reject it because the heat efficiency of the lasers makes it less effective.

That is exactly what I'm saying.
The responses are that mixing UACs and lasers could "work".
I say why would one bother to bring both when stacking up one works far better?


What is stopping me from bringing a Mauler-2P with 6xLPLs and mopping the floor with the enemies in a match? (you have to try this one.. its an eye opener)

Who in their right mind will bring ACs and lasers when they can bring 5x AC5s and spam the enemy to death?

Edited by Navid A1, 24 August 2016 - 04:01 PM.

[Nightmare1]

Jack Shayu Walker, on 24 August 2016 - 03:57 PM, said:

It worked on PTS 1, on PTS 2 I think you'll have more or less the same luck as live.

Hrm, that's not as bad as I thought then. Anyone try the 3xML, 1xAC/20 HBK-4G? Or the 3xSRM4, 4xMPL QKD-4H? I like my brawlers dearly, but PTS 1 hit them hard. Am hoping they will have received a bit of love in PTS 2.

Overall thoughts on ballistics? It looks to me like PGI is nerfing them through the floor again. In my opinion, they shouldn't have an energy draw at all.

[Navid A1]

Nightmare1, on 24 August 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

Hrm, that's not as bad as I thought then. Anyone try the 3xML, 1xAC/20 HBK-4G? Or the 3xSRM4, 4xMPL QKD-4H? I like my brawlers dearly, but PTS 1 hit them hard. Am hoping they will have received a bit of love in PTS 2.

Overall thoughts on ballistics? It looks to me like PGI is nerfing them through the floor again. In my opinion, they shouldn't have an energy draw at all.

if they did not work in PTS1... say goodbye to them in PTS2.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Nightmare1, on 24 August 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

Hrm, that's not as bad as I thought then. Anyone try the 3xML, 1xAC/20 HBK-4G? Or the 3xSRM4, 4xMPL QKD-4H? I like my brawlers dearly, but PTS 1 hit them hard. Am hoping they will have received a bit of love in PTS 2.

Overall thoughts on ballistics? It looks to me like PGI is nerfing them through the floor again. In my opinion, they shouldn't have an energy draw at all.

God damn it your signature reminds me of my greatest internal struggle.

To forum-warrior, or to write fanfiction?

Wait, is it cycling through different sigs? I keep refreshing and seeing different things.

Edited by Jack Shayu Walker, 24 August 2016 - 04:09 PM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Nightmare1, on 24 August 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

Hrm, that's not as bad as I thought then. Anyone try the 3xML, 1xAC/20 HBK-4G? Or the 3xSRM4, 4xMPL QKD-4H? I like my brawlers dearly, but PTS 1 hit them hard. Am hoping they will have received a bit of love in PTS 2.

Overall thoughts on ballistics? It looks to me like PGI is nerfing them through the floor again. In my opinion, they shouldn't have an energy draw at all.

6 ERML will incur 12 extra heat, so you will have to fire in groups of 4, with about 1.5 seconds in between to incur no ghost heat.

[Nightmare1]

Navid A1, on 24 August 2016 - 04:02 PM, said:

if they did not work in PTS1... say goodbye to them in PTS2.

That's what I was afraid of...

Jack Shayu Walker, on 24 August 2016 - 04:05 PM, said:

God damn it your signature reminds me of my greatest internal struggle.

To forum-warrior, or to write fanfiction?

Lol, which one? I use a rotating sig service, so it puts up different sig banners at random.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Wintersdark, on 24 August 2016 - 03:52 PM, said:

Better DPS? Really?

Do you know what PTS2 DPS is for an AC5? For a Large Laser?

1 AC5: 2.17 DPS
1 Large Laser: 2.12 DPS.
1 CMPL: 2.16 DPS

Sure they have equal DPS, when you aren't factoring in heat.

[Jack Shayu Walker]

Nightmare1, on 24 August 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:

Lol, which one? I use a rotating sig service, so it puts up different sig banners at random.

Okay good. I thought maybe I was losing my mind... or maybe that Chrome was having a stroke.

Zootopia

Edited by Jack Shayu Walker, 24 August 2016 - 04:12 PM.

[Wintersdark]

Nightmare1, on 24 August 2016 - 04:00 PM, said:

Hrm, that's not as bad as I thought then. Anyone try the 3xML, 1xAC/20 HBK-4G? Or the 3xSRM4, 4xMPL QKD-4H? I like my brawlers dearly, but PTS 1 hit them hard. Am hoping they will have received a bit of love in PTS 2.

Overall thoughts on ballistics? It looks to me like PGI is nerfing them through the floor again. In my opinion, they shouldn't have an energy draw at all.

You're not alphaing often (though 4MPL is 24E and 3SRM4 is 18E, so you can fire the MPL's then at the end of the beam dump SRM's and twisting away - the time between one and the other can be very short. Or fire/twist/fire/twist/fire/twist.

However, everyone is dealing with this in brawling range. Regardless, brawling overall is very, very potent in PTS2.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 24 August 2016 - 04:11 PM, said:

Sure they have equal DPS, when you aren't factoring in heat.

I was playing with a 6LL Stalker right now. That stalker is pushing ~13 dps, and can hold it up for a good chunk of time. Sure, it needs to cool after that, but that's long been the thing. Burn like mad, then oh, comfy cover. But really, with 3LL burns, you only need to do that for so long.


I'm loving though how people are both saying ballistics are going to dominate and ballistics are totally broken in the couple posts just above this one, though.

Quicksilver Kalasa, on 24 August 2016 - 04:11 PM, said:

Sure they have equal DPS, when you aren't factoring in heat.

...or tonnage, or ammo.

Edited by Wintersdark, 24 August 2016 - 04:18 PM.