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[Cub]

Already backed Battletech for less than the price of a collector's pack and I'll be getting a complete game. I'm not too troubled by the investment because what HBS did with Shadowrun (specifically Dragonfall) was quite enjoyable for me and felt like an homage to the fans of the lore. Seriously, go check it out, its only $13 on steam for a "very positive" rated game and 87 rating on Metacritic (find a deal like that on the PGI website, heh.) I'm expecting their take on Battletech to do the same, especially after watching many of their proof of concept videos which are quite impressive.

In this past year, I've spent well over $200 (CAD) on MWO, its an investment I won't soon walk away from. The roadmaps and presentations in December 2015 gave me an impression that the state of the game would be far different than it is today. The promises of "soon" have become quite grating to the nerves as well...

What holds my interest in MWO is that it is the only Battletech game currently, and it will hold it for some time as I love Clan mechs, especially the Kodiak, both aspects we won't be seeing in the new HBS game being released next year. That and the "Mech Simulator" feel that MWO tries to capture which again is worlds away from what Battletech will be. For those reasons alone, I'll be pigeonholed into playing more MWO.

This December with Mechcon will be very telling. I must say it is very disheartening that this game has been around for four years and the extent of it's innovation is constant 12v12 team deathmatches. It seems PGI has decided to hold all information reveals until then. Until then...wanna buy a mech pack...or....invest that same amount into Battletech and get a complete game?

~Cub

[KodiakGW]

Kanil, on 16 October 2016 - 03:29 AM, said:

Doesn't this game have headshot crits too? I can't reliably hit head hitboxes to confirm or deny it myself, but doesn't double gauss sometimes crit and instagib stuff?

Yes, thanks to Battletech fans, there are crits. But, all those shots require you to hit the section of the mech that is unarmored (for the most part, there are some exceptions). Headshots are not determined by RNG. RNG comes into play only after your skill at aiming does.

Here skill > chance. In Battletech, RNG can lay waste to all the best tactical planning.

[dervishx5]

martian, on 16 October 2016 - 01:18 AM, said:

I guess I will play both, but I expect HBS BattleTech to become my primary game, while MWO will probably be sidelined. MWO offers nothing but repetetive deathmatch, while HBS is going to offer much more:

• Combined Arms - tanks, hovertanks, helicopters maybe, etc. - all those things missing in MWO
  
• Expanded Mission Objectives - Attack, Defend, Capture, Escort, etc. - the majority of MWO games is "Kill the entire enemy team" with occassional variation "Kill the entire enemy team and then stand in the square"
  
• Managing the finances and logistics of my mercenary outfit - from the modifications and loadout of my 'Mechs, to the salaries and skill growth of my MechWarriors - the only thing I am managing in MWO is "Do I have enough C-Bills to buy DHS and ES upgrades?"
  
• Open-Ended Campaign with Procedurally-generated Contracts included
  
• Battlefield Salvage - missing in MWO
  
• Character Origin - the only "character" I see in MWO is headless body in 'Mech cockpit
  
• George "Duncan Fisher" Ledoux - "Whoa! That kid was on fire down there. Of course, now he's literally on fire."
  
• Duane Loose - painter who illustrated first BattleTech 'Mech and vehicle TROs and practically defined the visual aspect of the game. Now he is cooperating on HBS BattleTech.
  
• Argo Dropship - finally a home base that is more than a few Mechlab screens
  
• Hiring 'Mech Aces such as Grayson Carlyle, Natasha Kerensky or Morgan Kell
  
• Solaris 7 with Tournaments, Leagues and Leaderboards, or just with casual PvP games
  
• Meeting and Fighting Various Elite House and Mercenary Units such as Sword of Light, Eridani Light Horse or Black Widow Company
  
• Physical Attacks - Jordan Weisman's favorite 'Mech is the Hatchetman and he said that "You can't have a proper BattleTech game without physical attacks." (But no Hatchetman)

Had to curb a few of your expectations. The game may have a few famous characters show up as cameos but you won't be able to hire them. Also level 2 tech isn't going to make an appearance in the initial game. And as far as we know, so far, you'll only be able to control mechs.

This is all from talking on their forums that I know this stuff. It's not the gospel but it's pretty accurate.

Anyway, I wish people would stop comparing the two games. HBS Battletech isn't going to draw everyone away from MWO. HBS is more about using your brain to think than twitch shooting. That only appeals to the ahead of the bell curve crowd.

Additionally HBS isn't f2p. Expect content in expansions and new games rather than flavor of the month mechpacks (again, what HBS said).

So yeah, lots of wishful thinking here on both sides without actually investigating or thinking things out. Must be a day that ends in Y.

Edited by dervishx5, 16 October 2016 - 09:20 AM.

[DoctorDetroit]

I will definitely keep playing MWO regularly and the new battletech will be played when I want a turn based game.

Edited by DoctorDetroit, 16 October 2016 - 09:21 AM.

[DAYLEET]

I play MWO when i feel like strapping tons of metal to my back while shooting lasers, missiles and shells at other people with extreme prejudice. HBS Battletech wont fill that need, it will fill many others but not the "must crush my enemies". Thats like asking, would you rather play battlefield or play civilisation? Ill have both.

[martian]

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 09:17 AM, said:

Had to curb a few of your expectations. The game may have a few famous characters show up as cameos but you won't be able to hire them.

From the official Kickstarter page:
"... we'll include rare legendary 'Mechs to find, and rare hero MechWarriors to hire - including some famous characters from BattleTech history. Such legends may not stick around for long, but will be well worth hiring if you can afford them."

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 09:17 AM, said:

Also level 2 tech isn't going to make an appearance in the initial game.

And I have never said that it will.

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 09:17 AM, said:

And as far as we know, so far, you'll only be able to control mechs.

And I have never said that player will control vehicles.

Actually, we know that there is going to be combined arms - we saw a pair of Striker Light Tanks in the game preview, fighting as part of enemy force. So we are going to fight combined arms enemies.

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 09:17 AM, said:

This is all from talking on their forums that I know this stuff. It's not the gospel but it's pretty accurate.

Could you post links, please?

From the official Kickstarter page:
"Add the Kurita Sword of Light, including MechWarriors, as an enemy unit you can fight in the Stage 1 Skirmish game."

As for the Hatchetman, I have never said that it will be in the game.


And please, post exact links to official HBS announcements instead of messing with my posts.

Edited by martian, 16 October 2016 - 09:49 AM.

[Cy Mitchell]

Just responding to original question, not any the post in the thread.

I will play both. They are totally different games with nothing in common except the Mechs from BattleTech. I think I will enjoy the campaign in BattleTech but it will never replace the simulation aspect of MechWarrior.

The two can co-exist and both be better for it by drawing attention and players to one another.

[Davers]

I guess it depends on 2 factors:

1. What are the big announcements for the future of MWO at Mechcon?

2. Do I like playing HBS's game?

[dervishx5]

martian, on 16 October 2016 - 09:48 AM, said:

And please, post exact links to official HBS announcements instead of messing with my posts.

I could but eh... I'll let the release of the game validate my post.

[C E Dwyer]

I thought we'd done this question a few months back but ok here goes.

At first I will play the arse out of Battletech, from the winter beta actually.

That will impact on my play time and spending here, though the colaspe of sterling against the dollar is going to have a greater impact on my supporting this than another game.

The Huntsman is certainly the last clan mech I buy, IS depends on PGI producing the last of the unseen

[martian]

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 10:04 AM, said:

I could but eh... I'll let the release of the game validate my post.

Just post links to official HBS announcements that would corroborate your claims, please.

[dervishx5]

martian, on 16 October 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

Just post links to official HBS announcements that would corroborate your claims, please.

https://community.ba...game.com/forums

Just go there and ask. Those guys are so desperate to be "that guy" that answers questions that you'll get a response to all your needs within 30 minutes.

[martian]

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 10:16 AM, said:

https://community.ba...game.com/forums

Just go there and ask. Those guys are so desperate to be "that guy" that answers questions that you'll get a response to all your needs within 30 minutes.

But I don't have to. It was you who said "I could ..."

[dervishx5]

martian, on 16 October 2016 - 10:19 AM, said:

But I don't have to. It was you who said "I could ..."

But indicated I don't want to. The desire for confirmation is completely on your end. I'm willing to wait until the release of the game based on what I know.

[Bombast]

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 10:16 AM, said:

https://community.ba...game.com/forums

Just go there and ask. Those guys are so desperate to be "that guy" that answers questions that you'll get a response to all your needs within 30 minutes.

You make being helpful sound so demeaning. If only we could all muster the strength to say random crap and then refuse to back it up, maybe the world would be a better place.

[dervishx5]

Bombast, on 16 October 2016 - 10:22 AM, said:

You make being helpful sound so demeaning. If only we could all muster the strength to say random crap and then refuse to back it up, maybe the world would be a better place.

When someone says something along the lines of "The Federated Commonwealth in 3054..." and 20 people jump in to say ACTUALLY THE FEDERATED COMMONWEALTH WASN'T OFFICIAL UNTIL VICTOR TOOK CHARGE it gets a bit old.

[martian]

dervishx5, on 16 October 2016 - 10:22 AM, said:

But indicated I don't want to. The desire for confirmation is completely on your end. I'm willing to wait until the release of the game based on what I know.

You indicated that my post is wrong.

You said something what goes against official HBS statements too.

So if you are saying something unusual, then "you" should prove it. That's how discussions work.

[dervishx5]

https://community.ba...ms/threads/4514

There, you can watch this thread.

[LordKnightFandragon]

I will play BT, but this game, only way id play, is if it gets some PVE coop campaigns.

[C E Dwyer]

I should mention that the linebacker and the basic pack for the Mad IIC are already ordered.
I wouldn't have bothered with this post, but some people have been known to PM or say in games, hey you said this, and now you've done that so of course any statement is subject to change, so just clearling it up about the huntman being my last purchase, for clan

Technically it is

Edited by Cathy, 16 October 2016 - 01:01 PM.