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[Sixpack]

Arkhangel, on 15 March 2017 - 04:35 PM, said:

Nim, if the IS is so much stronger... why are the Clans always Advancing INTO it, regardless of any changes? answer that.

Because anybody that has been there from the very start knows that your statement is wrong.

After all the IS pulled off a successfull OP Bulldog right at the start of phase 2. The reason clans are winning is mercenarys most of the time. It is the same reason they also get pushed back.

[XX BURT XX]

Just bring the patch in, cant wait to get my hands on....

Clans feel like much stronger mechs at this point - but its not bad, playing IS is like a challenge for me, whereas playing clan is kind "easy mode".

Not a bad thing, there is allways a stronger and weaker one..... if everything is equal, a fiat would be equal to porsche, a rabbit will be as strong as lion... being all girls equal, there would not be a true love for the single one....

[Novawrecker]

They haven't even released the MWO mechanics data for all those updates yet and the majority of you didn't have a cow, you had the whole herd.

[Kojak Bear]

El Contego, on 15 March 2017 - 01:56 PM, said:

All that aside, has anyone stopped to think that FW will be more than just IS vs Clan? It is called Civil War for a reason...

After the hype wave of new toys left me, that was the first thing that came to my mind. The FW mechanics might change in the sense that the two main opposing factions would be FedCom vs Lyran Alliance now. If that is so, I'm wondering how PGI will incorporate all the other Factions into FW now. And does it also mean that we'd be getting the possibility of mixed tech drop decks soon? Hmm...

[Hexidecimark]

But muh H and U novas!


Well, it matters not.

Soon, my brothers, it will be time to reunite the Sphere! We will praise the machine spirit! We will bless the teachings of old! And man, those new HPG designs-

I mean- uh, It's really great that ComStar is still in control, yeah?!
Doesn't everyone just LOVE how they keep all the frails- er, citizens, under a totalitarian reg- er, safe and happy?

[Joshua McEvedy]

El Contego, on 15 March 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:

In lore fair enough, but this is an online multiplayer game, without balance there is no point in factions.
What part of there needs to be balance in a game to attract/retain more players do people not get!?

Without lore, there is no point to the game.

[Slambot]

Uh the machine spirit is Warhammer... not Battletech

[Joshua McEvedy]

Zergling, on 15 March 2017 - 11:30 PM, said:

Correction: this is a PvP game, first and foremost. And balance is paramount in a PvP game.

MWO was always designed so each player would be roughly equal in capabilities to another player, regardless of what mech choice they made before queuing up for battle.
Having Clan mechs be stronger because of lore reasons is in direct conflict with this design, and would cause a severe population unbalance, with the vast majority of players only playing Clan mechs.

As such, any suggestion to drop balance in favour of lore is a bad suggestion, as it would quickly kill MWO.

Then the game is pointless. Just remove the Battletech/MechWarrior name from the product, and call it Giant Stompy Ronots Online, since that is really what it is now.

[dawnofwar2]

Anihilator+4gauss=gauszilla coming

[Joshua McEvedy]

Kojak Bear, on 16 March 2017 - 02:33 AM, said:

After the hype wave of new toys left me, that was the first thing that came to my mind. The FW mechanics might change in the sense that the two main opposing factions would be FedCom vs Lyran Alliance now. If that is so, I'm wondering how PGI will incorporate all the other Factions into FW now. And does it also mean that we'd be getting the possibility of mixed tech drop decks soon? Hmm...

So where is this FedCom on the IS map now, as it currently stands?

It isn't there because PGI never bothered to create it.

[Chris Puetz]

@Zergling, from a Clansmen that Statement, Respect! Most Clansmen think they were in the Books superior, they must it ingame too! And when they saw that could not be they hate PGI for that.
Let us wait till implemention, than we will see what happen!
I more concernd to push away the new Skill Tree to a later time. I hope that isn't dying like InfoWarfare and Energy draw!

dawnofwar2, on 16 March 2017 - 02:59 AM, said:

Anihilator+4gauss=gauszilla coming

For that u need 60t only for the Guns, with wich Ammo u will fire that Gauszilla?

[Joshua McEvedy]

SuperFunkTron, on 15 March 2017 - 11:14 PM, said:

The new balance pass is making me wonder if they are reconsidering star vs lance set ups for fp now.

Russ said a long time ago that his development team doesn't know how to code 10 vs 12 matches, and it seems that he doesn't care to learn how.

[cougurt]

Joshua McEvedy, on 16 March 2017 - 02:47 AM, said:

Without lore, there is no point to the game.

any multiplayer game requires some semblance of balance in order to maintain a player base. you're just gonna have to suck it up unless you're willing to wait for hours to find a match.

[Racerxintegra2k]

Nimnul, on 15 March 2017 - 05:48 PM, said:

Ever since the update ...



LIGHT ENGINE

An Inner Sphere engine that can survive the loss of a side torso as it only occupies 2 critical slots in each side. Lighter than a standard engine, but heavier than an XL.




ER SMALL LASER / ER MEDIUM LASER

Inner Sphere versions of the ER Lasers.

Update hasn't happened yet, clans have had better tech than what IS will get for YEARS !! and you are complaining about the field getting slightly more even ?

[Joshua McEvedy]

cougurt, on 16 March 2017 - 04:18 AM, said:

any multiplayer game requires some semblance of balance in order to maintain a player base. you're just gonna have to suck it up unless you're willing to wait for hours to find a match.

And responses like that are exactly why the Clan players are being driven off. Good luck fighting with yourself.

[Tank]

Arkhangel, on 15 March 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

no, Clanners wouldn't. it's agaist Zelbrigen. also.. those claws are for show. they'd snap off.

it's a totem mech, not a melee mech.

Only man worthy to be a true Clanner of all clan dezgra warriors gathered here.

Specially those who are whining that their toys no longer will have flat advantage - despicable.
I've seen pirates in Periphery with more honor...

[Jaroth Corbett]

Racerxintegra2k, on 14 March 2017 - 12:05 PM, said:

I came running to the forum to see the Clan Salt Mines. Innersphere basically will get the Technology the clans have been using this whole time and people are complaining that the field is being leveled ?

Clan Wolf researched the Laser AMS in 3045 & put it into production on 3048 which means as soon as Clans were launched (Wave I) we should have had it. But they give it to us the same time as the IS & that is balance? OK White Knight....................

Tank, on 16 March 2017 - 06:11 AM, said:

Only man worthy to be a true Clanner of all clan dezgra warriors gathered here.

Specially those who are whining that their toys no longer will have flat advantage - despicable.
I've seen pirates in Periphery with more honor...

WHAT ADVANTAGE? Clans have been nerfed out of the gate. As soon as they were launched Russ or Paul said they would be nerfed for balance. A Hunchback has more internal structure than a DireWolf & that is balance? Clan mechs are supposed to outperform IS mechs until RIGHT NOW. THIS is the time they catch up. Wow you White Knights are coming out the woodwork today.

Edited by Jaroth Corbett, 16 March 2017 - 06:20 AM.

[Weepy Wanebow]

W E N D I G O, on 15 March 2017 - 10:24 PM, said:

So Clans get Elemental/Protomech micro energy weapons for their Battlemechs (wtf) plus even more hot (+50%) heavy energy weapons (wp PGi) leaving a whole lot of interesting and viable options not even touched, such as...

they didn't include things still considered "experimental" during this time frame it seems but then they have never included "experimental" technology. Lose with the "timeline"? yes, but never "experimental" tech.

W E N D I G O, on 15 March 2017 - 10:24 PM, said:

3061 - Laser Reflective Armor/Clan Jade Falcon
3061 - Armored Components/Clan Diamond Shark
3065 - Reactive Armor/Clan Ghost Bear
3066 - Ferro-Lamello Armor/Clan Snow Raven
3067 - Heavy Flamer and ER Flamer/Clan Jade Falcon

These were all "experiemental" level tech during "Civil War Era" time. Other games have included experimental tech but MWO doesn't really have a history of doing so. But I mean if you really want to go that route....the IS list gets even bigger by a lot actually...like a lot...

But just to cover at least a part of your list to highlight

3058 - Laser Reflective Armor/Lyran Alliance
3059 - Armored Components/Free Worlds League
3063- Reactive Armor/Draconis Combine

But I mean we can roll outside your list

3055 - Caseless Autocannons/all IS
3045 - Hardened Armor/Federsted Suns
3064 - Bombast Laser/Federated Suns
3057 - X-pulse Lasers/Federated Suns
3067 - Multi-Missle Launchers/Battle Magic Mercenary Group
3059 - Hypervelocity Autocannons/Capellan Confederation

Should I continue?

W E N D I G O, on 15 March 2017 - 10:24 PM, said:

It will surprise nobody that you'll probably stick to the IS Clan ballistic distinction and spheroids will end up with single projectile damage rotary acs and ultra acs - just to stick to the flavour eh? First ECM gets nerfed several times and now you throw stealth armor aka no locks at all into the pot. Brilliant. Don't get me wrong, I am not concerned. I'm absolutely sure you screw up thoroughly.

A lot of clan mechs have ECM and with the ability to change about hardpoints through omnipods it means that any mech with an ECM omnipod can adjust its other options to be favorable and to the pilot's liking. There aren't that many ECM IS varients out there and out of the ones that are availble only a small handful have any type of hardpoint load out and weigh capacity that is useful. The same goes for MASC, a MASC equipped omni with jump jets, which you can put an ECM on and change its hard points about on....yeah I think that only exists in clans right now.

IS gets an armor that takes up 12 slots, doesnt save weight, and can only be used on ECM mechs. That isnt OP... with Endo-steel, an xl engine, ECM, and stealth armor, you're looking at 18 to 20 slots total left for all weapons, ammo, and heatsinks (most of which weigh more and take up more crit slots). With an LFE, you are looking at 2 more crits and a serious hit to weight savings. Plus when you activate your stealth armor it is gonna mess with heat.

Also we don't know what about autocannons is gonna change or not change....what about heat is gonna change or not change. But giving everyone more options (especially IS) only helps the argument to remove some of the nerfs from clan tech that were added to help balance again IS inferiority. Also, everyone always complains about making too many changes at once but when they feel like they are getting cheated, they want more change and immediately. Lets feel it out and see how it changes things before we determine what is and isn't fair. Several of these on both sides are gonna most likely be DOA anyhow.

Edited by Wendigo Waltz, 16 March 2017 - 06:50 AM.

[reQu1em]

I think PGI have done well with this planned update. The new weapons will help the balance and provide more variety to the loadouts, it will also help some of the less used mechs come in to their own.

The new mechs are good, I will certainly buy a couple of them, although I do think the removal of the premium time from the standard package was a mistake.

[Weepy Wanebow]

Jaroth Corbett, on 16 March 2017 - 06:17 AM, said:

Clan mechs are supposed to outperform IS mechs until RIGHT NOW. THIS is the time they catch up. Wow you White Knights are coming out the woodwork today.

But in a PvP game you can't have one side be totally dominating with no compromise. Thats not how a game keeps going. They either don't release clans at all or they nerf in an attempt to balance. When that isn't working they try to offer more options, a lot of similar options primarily. If it is obvious that adding more options with current nerfs and such in place seriously harm balance then you reduce or eliminate some of those nerfs.

Edited by Wendigo Waltz, 16 March 2017 - 07:08 AM.