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[The Lighthouse]

TheArisen, on 18 February 2018 - 05:43 PM, said:

Even with Godquirks the Hollander will be basically a free kill.

I mean how? If Hollander is a free kill, and pretty much all other support mechs; Panther, Adder, Cougar, and Urbanmech should be free kills.

Well, with exception of Urbanmech, all other three mechs are indeed bad, but they are hardly free kill....

[FupDup]

The Lighthouse, on 18 February 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

I mean how? If Hollander is a free kill, and pretty much all other support mechs; Panther, Adder, Cougar, and Urbanmech should be free kills.

Well, with exception of Urbanmech, all other three mechs are indeed bad, but they are hardly free kill....

The Cougar is definitely a free kill. Even with just double ERPPC I can rip them in half very quickly.

[TheArisen]

The Lighthouse, on 18 February 2018 - 05:47 PM, said:

I mean how? If Hollander is a free kill, and pretty much all other support mechs; Panther, Adder, Cougar, and Urbanmech should be free kills.

Well, with exception of Urbanmech, all other three mechs are indeed bad, but they are hardly free kill....

Well a Couger or Panther are pretty close to free kills. The thing is the very reason you guys want this mech, it's big gun, will give it a huge weapon buldge with an exploding weapon. To maximise your already lomited tonnage you'll probably run XL so basically you won't be able to protect that gauss & so there won't be any real dmg spreading....

I guess there could also be powerful anticrit quirks but introducing a mech so completly in need of the strongest quirks the game has ever seen is just a bad idea.

[cougurt]

TheArisen, on 18 February 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

Well a Couger or Panther are pretty close to free kills. The thing is the very reason you guys want this mech, it's big gun, will give it a huge weapon buldge with an exploding weapon. To maximise your already lomited tonnage you'll probably run XL so basically you won't be able to protect that gauss & so there won't be any real dmg spreading....

I guess there could also be powerful anticrit quirks but introducing a mech so completly in need of the strongest quirks the game has ever seen is just a bad idea.

i wouldn't mind getting the hollander if it was given the quirks necessary to be viable, but that doesn't seem to be a direction PGI wants to go in. maybe we'll see it eventually though if they get desperate enough.

[Jonathan8883]

Top 10 Clan Mechs:
1. Rifleman IIC - 709 votes BM
2. Fire Moth (Dasher) - 675 votes Omni
3. Stone Rhino(Behemoth) - 553 votes BM
4. Warhammer IIC - 522 votes BM
5. Locust IIC - 480 BM
6. Shadow Hawk IIC - 417 votes BM
7. Grizzly - 347 votes BM
8. Griffin IIC - 313 votes BM
9. Phoenix Hawk IIC - 304 votes BM
10. Turkina - 241 votes Omni

8 Battlemechs, 2 Omnimechs. Bad locked equipment means that many of the best Clan mechs are the Battlemechs. Thanks to the current implementation, there's little appetite for more Omnis.

[Kanil]

Jonathan8883, on 18 February 2018 - 07:33 PM, said:

8 Battlemechs, 2 Omnimechs. Bad locked equipment means that many of the best Clan mechs are the Battlemechs. Thanks to the current implementation, there's little appetite for more Omnis.

Or maybe that's because there's already 27 Omnis announced/in game compared to just 9 Battlemechs, and perhaps most of the iconic omnis that people get worked up over are already in game?

I mean, "No Opinion" is currently a top 10 choice too.* Does that mean that due to the current implementation, there's little appetite for more... 'mechs?

(Edit: I guess it's 11th. Your list is missing the UrbanMech IIC. That pushes the Turkina off the top 10 and makes it 9! BattleMechs.)

Edited by Kanil, 18 February 2018 - 09:07 PM.

[The Lighthouse]

Jonathan8883, on 18 February 2018 - 07:33 PM, said:

Top 10 Clan Mechs:
1. Rifleman IIC - 709 votes BM
2. Fire Moth (Dasher) - 675 votes Omni
3. Stone Rhino(Behemoth) - 553 votes BM
4. Warhammer IIC - 522 votes BM
5. Locust IIC - 480 BM
6. Shadow Hawk IIC - 417 votes BM
7. Grizzly - 347 votes BM
8. Griffin IIC - 313 votes BM
9. Phoenix Hawk IIC - 304 votes BM
10. Turkina - 241 votes Omni

8 Battlemechs, 2 Omnimechs. Bad locked equipment means that many of the best Clan mechs are the Battlemechs. Thanks to the current implementation, there's little appetite for more Omnis.

You can forget about all of these IICs due to lawsuit, and Fire Moth is never going to be ported unless PGI finds a way to fix speed bug.

So we basically have Stone Rhino only, for now.

Edited by The Lighthouse, 18 February 2018 - 09:19 PM.

[Battlemaster56]

The Lighthouse, on 18 February 2018 - 09:19 PM, said:

You can forget about all of these IICs due to lawsuit, and Fire Moth is never going to be ported unless PGI finds a way to fix speed bug.

So we basically have Stone Rhino only, for now.

Grizzly an Turkina are BT original designs.

[The Lighthouse]

Battlemaster56, on 18 February 2018 - 11:07 PM, said:

Grizzly an Turkina are BT original designs.

Yes, but they have less votes than Stone Rhino, for now.

Turkina is one of the mechs I am patiently waiting, I really want all of original Mech Commander and Mech Commander 2 mechs ported eventually.

[The Lighthouse]

Right now, following mechs from Mech Commander 1 are not yet ported into the game.

IS.
1. Hollander (45 ton medium version in MC)
2. Stiletto

Clan.
1. Turkina

That's it really. Only three more mechs we get complete set for first Mech Commander and its expansion mechs.


For Mech Commander 2...


IS.
1. Anubis
2. Flea (Fire Ant in MC2)
3. Hollander
4. Razorback
5. Enfield
6. Men Shen
7. Sha Yu
8. Starslayer
9. Lao Hu
10. Shootist

Yes, happens to be all IS mechs, last unported Clan mech was Blood Asp.

Based on how PGi has been handling porting mechs, quite a lot of mechs on this MC2 list will take long time or never be ported at all.

[TheArisen]

The Lighthouse, on 19 February 2018 - 03:30 AM, said:

Right now, following mechs from Mech Commander 1 are not yet ported into the game.

IS.
1. Hollander (45 ton medium version in MC)
2. Stiletto

Clan.
1. Turkina

That's it really. Only three more mechs we get complete set for first Mech Commander and its expansion mechs.


For Mech Commander 2...


IS.
1. Anubis
2. Flea (Fire Ant in MC2)
3. Hollander
4. Razorback
5. Enfield
6. Men Shen
7. Sha Yu
8. Starslayer
9. Lao Hu
10. Shootist

Yes, happens to be all IS mechs, last unported Clan mech was Blood Asp.

Based on how PGi has been handling porting mechs, quite a lot of mechs on this MC2 list will take long time or never be ported at all.

PGI seems to be reluctant to do IS omnis so who knows how long it'll be for the Men Shen & others. Still hope for the Men Shen, it has the most potential of an IS omni to be a good mech.

[Will9761]

The Lighthouse, on 18 February 2018 - 09:19 PM, said:

You can forget about all of these IICs due to lawsuit, and Fire Moth is never going to be ported unless PGI finds a way to fix speed bug.

So we basically have Stone Rhino only, for now.

The Fire Moth could work, the only solution I know is to give it the same engine as the Pirahna and bump the MASC speed up to 150-ish.

[Will9761]

The Steel Viper Clan really needs their Totem/Faction Mechs:

Black Python
Battle Cobra
Vapor Eagle

I'd be happy just to have one Viper design.

[Y E O N N E]

Will9761, on 19 February 2018 - 10:19 AM, said:

The Fire Moth could work, the only solution I know is to give it the same engine as the Pirahna and bump the MASC speed up to 150-ish.

That would be no speed-up at all because a 180 engine lets you do 156 with speed tweak.

[Will9761]

Yeonne Greene, on 19 February 2018 - 08:43 PM, said:

That would be no speed-up at all because a 180 engine lets you do 156 with speed tweak.

But at least it wouldn't break the game, due to the speed issue.

Edited by Will9761, 19 February 2018 - 10:04 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Will9761, on 19 February 2018 - 09:56 PM, said:

But at least it wouldn't break the game, due to the speed issue.

So you want to drop engine size and then shove in a MASC that literally adds zero benefits because it has to do nothing at all?

No.

[Will9761]

Yeonne Greene, on 19 February 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

So you want to drop engine size and then shove in a MASC that literally adds zero benefits because it has to do nothing at all?

No.

How would you feel about160-ish speed?

[Y E O N N E]

Will9761, on 19 February 2018 - 10:04 PM, said:

How would you feel about160-ish speed?

I think a 4 kph speed boost is not worth whatever weight the MASC is consuming.

[The Lighthouse]

I really do not want PGI to completely cripple mech to just port it.

MAYBE after they change the game engine, otherwise it is not just worth it.


Anyway, JUST WHERE IS FLEA PGI?

[Will9761]

Yeonne Greene, on 19 February 2018 - 10:06 PM, said:

I think a 4 kph speed boost is not worth whatever weight the MASC is consuming.

What would you estimate a good MASC speed for the Moth? Because 210 won't cut it.

Edited by Will9761, 19 February 2018 - 10:10 PM.