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[Metus regem]

TheArisen, on 24 February 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

Not one that I made haha. I was a detractor from the begining.

Never said you we're, just highlighting what was used as an excuse as to why people thought the Uziel would be the second coming of Mecha Jesus...

[Will9761]

Arnold The Governator, on 24 February 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

I wonder if PGI is going to bother with the Stone Rhino since FASA ironically didn't throw that mech into the unseen category out of panic. Can I please go back in time and b*tch slap who ever made these decisions out of sheer stupidity?

From Sarna.net : "The Stone Rhino (Behemoth) and Matar are loosely based on the HWR-00 Destroid Monster Mk. II, with the Stone Rhino's "5" variant being a more direct homage to the design."

I doubt it. Even though the Stone Rhino is based on Monster, the Mech itself looks different enough from is Robotech counterpart. So there wouldn't be a panic to adding it.

[Ghost Paladin117]

Don't know if it's been said but the Tomahawk would be a great clan 100 tonner. Add that to the poll.

[Battlemaster56]

I'll wait on the Tomahawk til,HAG's and ER Pulses come out then we can have the Tomahawk II come out with the THK prototypes.

[Y E O N N E]

Will9761, on 23 February 2018 - 01:40 PM, said:

Look at this, I can't argue with numbers:
Dervish - 330 votes
Men Shen - 327 votes

The point is you have 'Mechs with lower vote counts in your list than the Men Shen, which means you've selectively skipped through the list for whatever reason.

[Will9761]

Yeonne Greene, on 24 February 2018 - 04:12 PM, said:

The point is you have 'Mechs with lower vote counts in your list than the Men Shen, which means you've selectively skipped through the list for whatever reason.

Then I would take it up with the people who voted, not me. When I do Top 10s of IS or Clan Mechs I try to find mechs that have the highest numbers in the 700s or whatever it may be to the lowest based on each class category. I'll admit that it can be hard to find the right mech by scouring through a large pile of mechs and gathering the highest votes (which does get hard to find good numbers). Sometimes there are two mechs that share the same votes and that can get confusing. But when I am doing this stuff I look for the most voted mechs, not the best, not the most viable, but the most popular demanded. Numbers don't lie man, and if people have a problem with my list, they can take it up with Gas, the people who voted for those mechs, or even make their own list.

TL;DR version - I do these Top 10s based on the most popular voted mechs. I know that similar numbers and tied votes can get confusing but the list was made only based on popular demanded mechs on the poll, not on what I like, how the mech handles, or what the people want me to change it to. If people have a problem, that is their fault, not mine.

[Y E O N N E]

Will9761, on 24 February 2018 - 07:35 PM, said:

, that is their fault, not mine.

You made the top 10 'Mechs-by-vote list out of the votes from the poll. It is entirely your fault for not actually picking the top 10.

[Will9761]

Yeonne Greene, on 24 February 2018 - 07:59 PM, said:

You made the top 10 'Mechs-by-vote list out of the votes from the poll. It is entirely your fault for not actually picking the top 10.

I try to find the most voted mechs from Gas poll. So it's really your fault for getting offended and trying to make this into a big deal.

Edited by Will9761, 24 February 2018 - 08:04 PM.

[Seranov]

Will9761, on 24 February 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

I try to find the most voted list from Gas poll. So it's really your fault for getting offended and trying to make this into a big deal.

I think it's more that you're getting super defensive for not being more careful in compiling your list. If you don't want to bother putting in the effort to actually figure out which are the top 10, why are you bothering?

[Y E O N N E]

Will9761, on 24 February 2018 - 08:03 PM, said:

I try to find the most voted mechs from Gas poll. So it's really your fault for getting offended and trying to make this into a big deal.

I'm not offended, I'm just calling out results that were wrong even when you made the post. Own up and then get over it.

[Will9761]

Seranov, on 24 February 2018 - 08:05 PM, said:

I think it's more that you're getting super defensive for not being more careful in compiling your list. If you don't want to bother putting in the effort to actually figure out which are the top 10, why are you bothering?

Oh, not really. There is a whole swarm of mechs that I am trying to find. Sometimes it does get confusing I'll admit, but I find it silly that people want to bring this list and call me out on it.

Yeonne Greene, on 24 February 2018 - 08:09 PM, said:

I'm not offended, I'm just calling out results that were wrong even when you made the post. Own up and then get over it.

Duly noted, and next time don't try to start minor crap with me.

[Y E O N N E]

Will9761, on 24 February 2018 - 08:15 PM, said:

Duly noted, and next time don't try to start minor crap with me.

I didn't. I wasn't even replying to you initially. You made a big post defending what you did, and I called it wrong because it was. End of story. The issue is entirely of your own manufacture.

Edited by Yeonne Greene, 24 February 2018 - 08:19 PM.

[Will9761]

Yeonne Greene, on 24 February 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

I didn't. I wasn't even replying to you initially. You made a big post defending what you did, and I called it wrong because it was. End of story. The issue is entirely of your own manufacture.

Ok, I'm over that and I don't have anything against you. But I'd like to talk about it more without Admins getting on to both of us.

[Will9761]

I am going to try something different. Taking from Gas Guzzler's poll, the Top 25 mechs. This time it will be with both IS and Clan mechs together.

Top 25 Mechs:
25. Rifleman IIC - 717 votes
24. Fire Moth (Dasher) - 685 votes
23. Stone Rhino (Behemoth) - 564 votes
22. Hollander - 538 votes
21. Warhammer IIC - 532 votes
20. Locust IIC - 485 votes
19. Crusader - 482 votes
18. Shadow Hawk IIC - 419 votes
17. Marauder II - 392 votes
16. Grizzly - 349 votes
15. Dervish - 330 votes
14. Avatar - 327 votes
13. Men Shen - 326 votes
12. Griffin IIC – 318 votes
11. Phoenix Hawk IIC – 311 votes
10. Chimera - 308 votes
9. Sunder - 296 votes
8. Longbow - 292 votes
7. Argus - 286 votes
6. Templar -269 votes
5. Hatamoto-Chi - 260 votes
4. Turkina - 247 votes
3. Conjurer (Hellhound) -199 votes
2. Raptor - 191 votes
1. Razorback -178 votes

Mechs 25-21 show that nostalgia sells. As for the Crusader, the IICs and the other Unseens, I'm unsure of their future due to the whole HG lawsuit happening, but I hope PGI and HBS wins. But I like the line up so far. The Raptor has a good chance of being a good testbed for IS Omnis, if they decide to make them someday. They could potentially open up a good lineup of Mechwarrior 4 and 3 mechs. So far with the Mechwarrior 4 Vengeance lineup the only mechs we are missing are the Chimera and Argus. For the Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries lineup, we only need the Hellhound, Templar, Hauptmann (and preferably a Flea). With Mechwarrior 2: 31st Combat Century, we are only missing the lineups of the Warhammer IIC, Fire Moth and the Rifleman IIC.

Edited by Will9761, 24 February 2018 - 09:37 PM.

[fearfactory]

Oh, the Fire Moth is definitely nostalgia too. MechWarrior 2 was groundbreaking. It is such a damn shame that the FireMoth will never be put in. PGI would actually have to do some work.

[Jay Leon Hart]

I don't think I've done a tally since October

ONWARD!

IS
Light
Hollander - 539
Owens - 358
Wasp - 314

Medium
Dervish - 330
Men Shen - 326
Chimera - 308

Heavy
Crusader - 483
Avatar - 327
Argus - 286

Assault
Marauder II - 392
Sunder - 296
Longbow - 292
Templar - 269
Hatamoto-Chi - 260
Hauptmann - 257

Clan
Light
Fire Moth - 686
Locust IIC - 485
Urbanmech IIC - 283

Medium
Shadow Hawk IIC - 420
Griffin IIC - 319
Conjurer - 199

Heavy
Rifleman IIC - 718
Grizzly - 350
Crossbow - 180

Assault
Stone Rhino - 564
Warhammer IIC - 533
Phoenix Hawk IIC - 311

Looks like the IS Medium bracket is still as close as ever, with the IS Assault bracket pretty close once you get past (the very boring) 1st place. IIC 'mechs are still very much wanted.

With the release of the Fafnir & Blood Asp (and finally giving up on getting a LOLlander), I may need to pull the trigger on that new poll, since most of the top picks have already come out and we're left with, for the most part, the dregs.

[TheArisen]

Jay Leon Hart, on 25 February 2018 - 10:05 AM, said:

I don't think I've done a tally since October

ONWARD!

IS
Light
Hollander - 539
Owens - 358
Wasp - 314

Medium
Dervish - 330
Men Shen - 326
Chimera - 308

Heavy
Crusader - 483
Avatar - 327
Argus - 286

Assault
Marauder II - 392
Sunder - 296
Longbow - 292
Templar - 269
Hatamoto-Chi - 260
Hauptmann - 257

Clan
Light
Fire Moth - 686
Locust IIC - 485
Urbanmech IIC - 283

Medium
Shadow Hawk IIC - 420
Griffin IIC - 319
Conjurer - 199

Heavy
Rifleman IIC - 718
Grizzly - 350
Crossbow - 180

Assault
Stone Rhino - 564
Warhammer IIC - 533
Phoenix Hawk IIC - 311

Looks like the IS Medium bracket is still as close as ever, with the IS Assault bracket pretty close once you get past (the very boring) 1st place. IIC 'mechs are still very much wanted.

With the release of the Fafnir & Blood Asp (and finally giving up on getting a LOLlander), I may need to pull the trigger on that new poll, since most of the top picks have already come out and we're left with, for the most part, the dregs.

Honestly the IS side is not very inspiring for me. Only a few mechs with potential and lots of "it'll be good with quirks"

[FLG 01]

Well, let's be fair: there is a difference between "what we are left with" and "what the community voted for". The BT universe is big and rich, and the IS still has many (potentially) powerful Mechs with fascinating lore which are ready and waiting for PGI.

Unfortunately the majority of the community overlooks them, preferring mediocre units. And while not every Mech needs to be the next Deathstrike, it must be good enough to actually enjoy it in MWO so that it will be played.

It would be a huge step forward if people reflected their past and present choices with this in mind. The Hollander e.g. will most definitely never be enjoyed by anyone (unless godly quirked, of course); it will collect dust in the hangar like so many other 'popular' choices are doing right now.
And if people gave some of the 'unknown' Mechs a chance - like the Dragon Fire, the Falconer, the Lynx, the Raptor etc. - they might actually have fun with them in game.

Edited by FLG 01, 25 February 2018 - 01:05 PM.

[Valdarion Silarius]

FLG 01, on 25 February 2018 - 01:05 PM, said:

And if people gave some of the 'unknown' Mechs a chance - like the Dragon Fire, the Falconer, the Lynx, the Raptor etc. - they might actually have fun with them in game.

I'd wished more people gave the Toyama a chance. It's the only mech I would consider dishing out money for the IS side now. There are still alot of hidden gems out there that will get ignored unfortunately.

PGI will most likely cave in and give into releasing IS Omnimechs I'm going to bet for a majority of 2018. Not many MW4 options left for the game, and God only knows if they will bother releasing more reseens (I'd wish we would get a straight answer from Russ with that situation, but that's not going to happen anytime soon).

[Y E O N N E]

Arnold The Governator, on 25 February 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

I'd wished more people gave the Toyama a chance. It's the only mech I would consider dishing out money for the IS side now. There are still alot of hidden gems out there that will get ignored unfortunately.

PGI will most likely cave in and give into releasing IS Omnimechs I'm going to bet for a majority of 2018. Not many MW4 options left for the game, and God only knows if they will bother releasing more reseens (I'd wish we would get a straight answer from Russ with that situation, but that's not going to happen anytime soon).

Some of those hidden gems are IS Omnis, though. Raptor, Men Shen, Blackhawk-KU, maybe even the Sunder and Templar have real potential. Dragon Fire, Toyama, Lynx are really just more meta-favored extensions of 'Mechs we've already got in the game (Marauder, Rifleman, and Blackjack, respectively), mostly by virtue of being heavier but also by having a few more hardpoints or JJs.