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[Nema Nabojiv]

Athom83, on 16 November 2017 - 07:24 AM, said:

If you think that's bad, check the Roughneck's or Jagermech's. Or even a thunderbolt with more than 1 missile equipped in a ST.

Well, I have three roughnecks, and I have all big guns mostly in torsos, and machineguns in arms, so thats not a problem for them. Thunderbolts and Summoners with asymmetric cockpits, yes, kinda have that problem.

[Nema Nabojiv]

Well anyway, Thanatos is not a huge disappointment as novacat was, but its not omg-op-plznerf either. I would say they got it about right. And it looks cool in hangar.

[mogs01gt]

Nightbird, on 16 November 2017 - 06:57 AM, said:

I'm guessing this mech will get 15-20 armor for the STs, but even that won't be enough for me to get it for cbills. Geometry, cockpit location, and hardpoint locations mean everything in this game.

If it gets that much quirked ST armor, it will become a beast and could totally replace most other mechs in a poke set up. I doubt PGI would give it that much.

[Exard3k]

mogs01gt, on 16 November 2017 - 08:25 AM, said:

If it gets that much quirked ST armor, it will become a beast and could totally replace most other mechs in a poke set up. I doubt PGI would give it that much.

That one variant already has 15 structure for side torsos....no armor, yes....but hp nontheless

[mogs01gt]

Exard3k, on 16 November 2017 - 08:41 AM, said:

That one variant already has 15 structure for side torsos....no armor, yes....but hp nontheless

structure is a bit useless since it doesnt save hardpoints and with the ST's on the thanos being the size of a locust, its easy to XL check them.

Edited by mogs01gt, 16 November 2017 - 08:45 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

mogs01gt, on 16 November 2017 - 08:25 AM, said:

If it gets that much quirked ST armor, it will become a beast and could totally replace most other mechs in a poke set up. I doubt PGI would give it that much.

The RGH has higher armor values than the Thanatos. It has yet to replace even the Grasshopper in the poke role.

Ditto the Cataphract; not even used as an HPPC poptart despite its Assault-grade armor.

More beastly with that kind of armor would be the TNS-5T. A jumping SRM bomber with ECM and the armor of an Atlas? If brawling were meta, that would be OP. But it's not, so...maybe do it anyway.

[Lightfoot]

It's oversized in scaling for a mech massing 75 tons, compare to the Orion and MadCat (I am always going to say this). A nerf.

So I have run a 325 LE in it and it doesn't lower the damage at all. If you sacrifice even more weapons for engine speeds why are you using a 75 ton mech?, since you really want one of the very able 60-65 ton heavies instead. If the mech were scaled true to 75 tons, speed might do something, but right now unless you are boating SRMs you better carry damage over speed or get a Dragon. Thanatos will never make a good speed mech unless it can do that with a damaging load-out. It's a super-sized 75 ton mech so it's an Awesome without the weapons or armor. It could have been the great mech it was in MechWarrior 4, but is way too big.

[So You Say]

Major Tomm, on 15 November 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

It's too big to be 75 tons. It's clumsy, but I don't have movement skills yet. Still, seems like movement skills won't take it that far.

This is my impression as well. And given the mixed loadouts of the std pack variants it seems to be relegated to a second line brawler using crit seeking weapons that is only viable in mid to late game. However the loyalty victor seems to do better at this role with the same or better mobility. This one might end up like my Uziel's, they don't get played much.

[PurplePuke]

Good mech in Tier 5, terrible mech in Tier 1.

Armor buffs needed.

[Daemonara]

Ok I've played loads of more games in the Thanatos, and it's nothing short of an exercise in frustration to play...
Terrible visibility from the cockpit, and the mech is super fragile. ECM is the only thing this mech has going for it, but it's not really all that helpful.

[Jackal Noble]

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It will get armor bonus to STs , likely anywhere between 8-14.
Again if you're new to this game or don't understand the value of having hefty structure bonus, maybe you should read up on that. A bunch of the Thanatos in game are still on the lower end of being skilled up.

Edited by Ibrandul Mike, 17 November 2017 - 09:44 AM.
unconstructive part removed

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"Hefty" structure bonus is what the Blackjack used to have at +100% structure.

+8 points of base structure is not hefty no matter how you slice it. Not even the BLR-2C is optimal any more and it gets way more than that, because structure is fairly worthless with crit multipliers increasing the damage it takes as well as removing equipment from the component.

Just sayin'.

[Humpday]

Athom83, on 16 November 2017 - 04:44 AM, said:

It doesn't help that several weapons seem to be missing impact sounds and damage direction indicator when hitting a Thanatos. Litterally sat somewhere yesterday and my CT armor just starts dropping and you can't even tell you're being hit by anything because you don't hear anything or see the red marker telling you which direction you're being hit from. I only knew I was taking damage when Betty finnaly said "Center torso critical damage".

Actually I think the game is broken in that respect. I've also noticed time where I'd get cored from somewhere, with nothing else hitting me, and you won't hear the hiss, of the laser hitting you. Something is broken there, its happened enough times where you're not passively looking for it, you're actively observing the hit, drop in armor, and no sound or notification that you're being hit by something.

[Nomad One]

All of the variants could also do with more weapon quirks as well as shifting structure to armor and increasing the value by 30-40%. Such as the TNS-4S getting -10% energy heat and -5% laser duration to make its offensive capabilities on par with the Orion ON1-K variant.

That's depressing. The Thanatos needs help to be as useful as the inner sphere Orions.

[davoodoo]

Nema Nabojiv, on 16 November 2017 - 07:45 AM, said:

Well anyway, Thanatos is not a huge disappointment as novacat was, but its not omg-op-plznerf either. I would say they got it about right. And it looks cool in hangar.

novacat disappointment?? what O.o

I was dissapointed about night gyr due to locked jumpjets and its basically ugrade to it for anything but ballistic boating

Edited by davoodoo, 16 November 2017 - 11:24 AM.

[Humpday]

Anyway as for the topic, it'll eventually get armor buffs, or some sort of conversion to, or both.
It has the same agility as the Orion, so maybe try playing it like an Orion(no pokey poke)?

I dunno, what i do know is they are impossible to miss...and MRMs omg i mean its wonderful your entire volley basically delivers its damage potential to that chassis, at least visually it seems that way.

Tis a big chassis but if I can get my Novacat to work I bet i can come up with something for the Thanatos(when it comes out for cbills), I'd never sink real money into a chassis that is as big as that thing.

of course...watch, next week i'll do something illogical and end up buying them anyway bc i'm ********.

Edited by Humpday, 17 November 2017 - 11:37 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

Yeonne Greene, on 16 November 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

"Hefty" structure bonus is what the Blackjack used to have at +100% structure.

+8 points of base structure is not hefty no matter how you slice it. Not even the BLR-2C is optimal any more and it gets way more than that, because structure is fairly worthless with crit multipliers increasing the damage it takes as well as removing equipment from the component.

Just sayin'.

k Poor choice of words, but it does make a difference. I get the feeling that because armor is what people see they automatically assume that structure is worthless, it's not. When I see some of the comments on here, I can't help but to respond lol.
I'll take it a step further and say it would actually be neat if mechs with 'structure additional structure had that spread to equipment. I run dual gauss on my 5S and am surprised at how long it lasts, despite the shock of how quickly my armor on my STs disappears. Not unlike the Nova Cat in that regard (Wiiiiiiide STs). The more I think about it, it doesn't matter if this gets something like +20 ST. I'd be more in line with a moderate boost and a some hit box adjustment magic lol.

[Bucket of Joy]

JackalBeast, on 16 November 2017 - 11:12 AM, said:

Honestly, guys I don't think you are whining hard enough. What kills me is the ones that don't own it but definitely own a spiteful opinion; that's new and fresh on this forum. I bet if we had more of that we'd go places.
It will get armor bonus to STs , likely anywhere between 8-14.
Again if you're new to this game or don't understand the value of having hefty structure bonus, maybe you should read up on that. A bunch of That's in game are still on the lower end of being skilled up.

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Daemonara, on 16 November 2017 - 10:54 AM, said:

Ok I've played loads of more games in the Thanatos, and it's nothing short of an exercise in frustration to play...
Terrible visibility from the cockpit, and the mech is super fragile. ECM is the only thing this mech has going for it, but it's not really all that helpful.

Agreed. If it had more hardpoints I might accept the fragility as a 'glasscannon' but any RGH has more hardpoints, more mobility, more visibility, and more survivability. For fun, put two HPPC in the side torsos and check out the cockpit view!

Humpday, on 16 November 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

Actually I think the game is broken in that respect. I've also noticed time where I'd get cored from somewhere, with nothing else hitting me, and you won't hear the hiss, of the laser hitting you. Something is broken there, its happened enough times where you're not passively looking for it, you're actively observing the hit, drop in armor, and no sound or notification that you're being hit by something.

Agreed, there is something wrong with the audio. I had an enemy Commando eating my legs in my Thanny yesterday and I couldn't hear any strikes.

Edited by McValium, 16 November 2017 - 01:52 PM.
insult / ad hominem

[Jackal Noble]

Bucket of Joy, on 16 November 2017 - 12:12 PM, said:

With a name like JackalBeast I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you'd try to turn a discussion about a mech's issues into personal attacks. Maybe you should read up on that. Its called being a jackass.


Agreed. If it had more hardpoints I might accept the fragility as a 'glasscannon' but any RGH has more hardpoints, more mobility, more visibility, and more survivability. For fun, put two HPPC in the side torsos and check out the cockpit view!


Agreed, there is something wrong with the audio. I had an enemy Commando eating my legs in my Thanny yesterday and I couldn't hear any strikes.

really because I'm pretty sure you just turned what I had said in general about threads lately(because it's very true) into a personal attack towards me. Someone that doesn't own a mech that literally dropped 3 days ago isn't really valid to say the sky is falling, but whatevs. Go go Keyboard Commando!

Go ahead and fix your comment before you get redacted bud.

[chucklesMuch]

I love how people twist to avoid fire on the Thanos... but the ST side on profile so huge, they ain't mitigating nothing... in fact it can make it easier to isolate... #PgiPlsbuffIS